Turbulence (then calm sailing, then turbulence) thread.

[midfielder]

. Looks like the PFA leaked the story to the press after one or 2 players complained maybe. .

If that is correct it is becoming mor common it is what they did with weeMac run much of their campaign via the media and lost in court also run much of the last pay decision via the media even hiring a specialist PR media firm to advise on media releases... either very clever or dangerous or maybe both... its no secret the PFA don't like the club and their lost on weeMac hurt .

 

[Gratis]

"However Charlesworth, who said the newspaper reports were the first he had heard of any issue involving disgruntled players wanting out, declared: “The overall position of the club is brighter than it's possibly ever been now we are working towards a sustainable long-term business plan.

"Only two to three years ago the club was over $6 million in the red and there were no guarantees around the construction of our Centre Of Excellence, where work had ceased becase of considerable debt.
"More worryingly, there were no assurances from the FFA that they would support a club in Gosford long term.
"The Mariners were living far beyond their means and had no sustainable future … we're now probably more viable than ever.

Charlesworth said the club would not risk losing top talent.
"The Mariners have invested a lot of time and energy in grooming young players, who one day may be sold on to Europe and these issues over superannuation will be addressed," he insisted.
"We are certainly not going to be in the business of letting any of our best young players leave the club."

However, Charlesworth pointed to the off-the-field moves desgined to keep the club afloat. "We are about to open the next phase of the Centre of Excellence, which will become the envy of the A League, but we still do have a few issues that clearly need addressing," he added.

"There is no point building a house out of straw and anyone travelling through Tuggerah can see for themselves what's going on now (in terms of development)."

Despite a winless streak stretching back nine games, Charlesworth continues to back Walmsley’s adventurous approach.
“This is a learning curve for some talented young players and I am expecting they will get stronger as the season progresses," he said.
"We are all hurting from the recent results ... no more than me. But we need to stay together as a club and realise that what we are doing is the best for the long term,.
"The team are playing the right way and hopefully, in time, the results will come also."

http://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/article/2015/12/15/charlesworth-vows-settle-debt-mariners-players

I'm pretty reassured by this.

In fact it's a reassuring article overall. The fact the club was $6m in the red not so long ago and is nearly even, the CoE is flying along and the on-field results, really only needs a few experienced players, is not that bad.

We're at a pivot point in CCM's history/future. That spot between crippling debt and a doubtful future and an assured one. In a year or 2 this group of players/team will be coming together and producing capably on the field. The background financial stuff should be stable and we can build on the playing group with that foundation. It's worth going through this low point on the field for that kind of future.

I have been down after some of the results, but all things considered I will be very happy to go through this for a while if it means a solid, punching-above-our-weight future once again which looks realistic again for the first time in years.

It's time to start wearing our loses as a badge of honour, as having the strength needed to take it on the chin so we can punch back all the harder.

I, for one, will be at the roar game cheering our team on win or lose. Because even losing appears to be a winning strategy for the time being. Let's support the team when they need us the most.

COYY!!!

 

[Luca Brasi]

From the corner of my eye I saw the Foxsports scroll at the bottom of the screen with late superannuation, contract breach, players seeking release....... and I just knew it was us. This is truly f**ked and can be attributed directly at the owner again. After owning the club for almost 3 years I would expect him to have it together by now and stop being able to blame poor management and historical debt. Failing to pay super is a giant signal of disrespect to the players, disregard for the law and our ongoing status as a financial basket case. If we are so viable then pay the f**king super dickhead, especially given the contractual implications after the recent precedent set by Brattan at the Roar. Of the $6m mentioned how much went to the football club and how much went to COE development which is a significant asset for the owner. If you have the privilege of owning a football club then expect to lose money for the most part. This stuff causes me more disillusionment than the on field performances.
Just off to the post office now

 

[FFC Mariner]

30th October, Storrie tells the DT that Super obligations have been paid.

Did he not know or is he full of shit? Either way isnt encouraging.

Maybe he can write us another open letter?

 

[kevrenor]

I'm pretty reassured by this.

I'm not. Call me a cynical old bastard. I've invested a lot of money supporting this club, and even more of my precious time and emotional energy. I don't buy the level of bullshit content.

 

[FFC Mariner]

I'm not. Call me a cynical old bastard. I've invested a lot of money supporting this club, and even more of my previous time and emotional energy. I don't buy the level of bullshit content.

Well said

 

[nearlyyellow]

question, how does the financial officer not pay the super automatically, is it a lack of funds or incompetence?

It a cash shortage, a lack of funds. Employers instruct their Financial Officers to stall on the super payments and pay suppliers, contractors etc. first in the belief that those payments will keep the business going, whilst the employees are captive, and regarded as a replaceable unit of production.

 

[elevated position]

If that is correct it is becoming mor common it is what they did with weeMac run much of their campaign via the media and lost in court also run much of the last pay decision via the media even hiring a specialist PR media firm to advise on media releases... either very clever or dangerous or maybe both... its no secret the PFA don't like the club and their lost on weeMac hurt .

Middy your an accountant aren't you? What is the latest date you can pay the July to Sept quarterly super account ?

 

[midfielder]

28 October ... you can pay late to 28 November but you incur a penalty called Super Guarantee Charge..

 

[Big Al]

Technically yesterday is history so the whole historical debts line can be taken with a grain of salt.

The issue was the lead story on fox sports news channel 500 all day and they had a phone interview with Monty as part of the story.

However they had no interest in the superannuation side of the story just those wanting out and player unrest.

Monty had his captain CCM diplomatic hat on so take his answers as very pro employer.
He said he spoke to Shaun and was very content the money would be paid. He was very pro Charlesworth and thanked him for saving the club.
Basically called team mates interest in leaving as bullshit and better yet told them that they wouldn't be playing in the A League if they were playing for other clubs. They wouldn't have got a start at any other club and if I was a young lad I'd be looking at the Mariners to get a shot. Me Rose and can't remember the 3rd are enjoying playing with the kids.
When pressed on Reddy and Bosnar. Players come and go at all clubs. Basically wouldn't go there and brushed it off.

If the Mariners were playing dirty and not paying certain players as Rowdy said could be a possibility I'd be very disappointed in the club.

I do like that the players can get out of there contracts because it will hold clubs more accountable than the ATO and especially ours who is looking to cash in. E.g. Loosing Caceras now for nothing would be stupid.

Hate the disregard by Charlesworth, oh first I've heard of unrest. Hello name me an employee who hasn't been paid who is happy.

As others have said probably paid the concreter at COE instead.

 

[Big Al]

http://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/arti...p-pressure-5-league-clubs-over-unpaid-players
16 DEC 2015 - 8:37PM
PFA to ramp up pressure on 5 A-League clubs over unpaid players
It's understood that the PFA will write to the clubs on Thursday in an attempt to force payment by 1 January, which was agreed to as part of the new collective bargaining agreement ratified by the union and Football Federation Australia earlier this year.

The five clubs in question are the Central Coast Mariners, Brisbane Roar, Newcastle Jets, Perth Glory and Adelaide United.

The Mariners are the biggest concern as some of their players haven't received superannuation payments since the first quarter of 2013.

But none of their players have provided written notice to the club yet, despite reports that as many as five are looking to leave next month.

However, any player whose entitlements have not been paid fully can put their club on notice at any time, giving the franchise a mandatory 14 days to remedy the situation.

If the situation is not resolved, then the player is able to terminate their contract.

But it is ultimately up to the player, not the PFA, to put a club on notice.

 

[scoober]

Question of interest. Can the clubs be held accountable and penalized on retrospective debts before the new CBA was implemented?

 

[pjennings]

According to Storrie, the club’s longstanding superannuation debts to players and staff have been cleared.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sp...egins-rebuilding/story-fni2fopz-1227588773793

On Wednesday, Fairfax Media revealed that several Central Coast Mariners' players were already exploring their options as potential free agents if the club does not catch up on superannuation payments dating back many months.
PFA chief executive Adam Vivian said his organisation was "monitoring the situation at Central Coast Mariners" and that "non-payment of superannuation is a breach of the standard player contract".
http://www.smh.com.au/sport/soccer/...tm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=nc&eid=socialn

I call bullshit -Seb is pandering to his Sydney audience and the PFA is continuing to use the media in their dealing with the FFA..

Every non Sydney or Melbourne Australian HAL team is mentioned in the article yet the only attributable quote is

PFA chief executive Adam Vivian said his organisation was "monitoring the situation at Central Coast Mariners" and that "non-payment of superannuation is a breach of the standard player contract".

These two statements may be true - but they are not necessarily related.

The PFA should be 'monitoring the situation at each club' - that is part of their job. It is factually correct that non-payment of superannuation is a breach of the standard player contract. The inference is that the Mariners have not paid and I'm sure that that was the way it was meant to read.

However, if it was true, surely the PFA would say it, they have no reason not to.

 

[Forum Phoenix]

Good post pat.

Reading through the relevant thread at 442... where everyone is doing vulture impersonations about our squad. Nice one Hassett. Caceres and Roux seem to be the top two picks incidentally. And I

read this...

Tard News
Posted: Wednesday, December 16, 2015 10:21:18 AM

Semi-Pro

Joined: 6/10/2011
Posts: 1,072
T-UNIT wrote:
They should all exit the club, and reform in Wollongong.

Mike Cock Reel said in an article this week that "given half a chance,the FFA would love to rid themselves of CCM!"

Anyone see the article he was referring to?

 

[adz]

if the opportunity arose the FFA would cut Central Coast Mariners in a flash.

http://www.smh.com.au/sport/soccer/...north-queensland-aleague-team-20151210-glku2k

 

[Wombat]

Cockerill is a good writer and a good friend to the Mariners and to Football in general.

 

[nearlyyellow]

Good post pat.

Reading through the relevant thread at 442... where everyone is doing vulture impersonations about our squad. Nice one Hassett. Caceres and Roux seem to be the top two picks incidentally. And I

read this...

Tard News
Posted: Wednesday, December 16, 2015 10:21:18 AM

Semi-Pro

Joined: 6/10/2011
Posts: 1,072
T-UNIT wrote:
They should all exit the club, and reform in Wollongong.

Mike Cock Reel said in an article this week that "given half a chance,the FFA would love to rid themselves of CCM!"

Anyone see the article he was referring to?

".. just two of the 10 teams represent regional Australia, and if the opportunity arose the FFA would cut Central Coast Mariners in a flash."

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/sport/soccer/...nd-aleague-team-20151210-glku2k#ixzz3uWUIuSEt

Actually I can't see that a regional team in FNQ would be a success, as enticing as the prospect may be. If the business case for 5 out of 10 existing HAL teams are, errhhhmm, a bit shaky, then how could a regurgitated Fury succeed when it was previously cut to the NPL?

(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Fury_FC
"On 1 March 2011, the club was removed from the league due to financial instability.")

EDIT: Sorry adz, I didn't see your follow up post, and I have re-quoted the link.

 

[Forum Phoenix]

Thanks for that NY
*EDIT and ADz

Agree on Cockerill Wombat. Have a lot of respect for him. Nails it in the article too. I'm ok with "fish where the fish are" short term, but the Australian league needs to be for all Australia. Be great if we the league can make enough money from all the super trawling Gallop plans on doing to subsidise the smaller regions.

 

[Ancient Mariner]

According to Storrie, the club’s longstanding superannuation debts to players and staff have been cleared.

On Wednesday, Fairfax Media revealed that several Central Coast Mariners' players were already exploring their options as potential free agents if the club does not catch up on superannuation payments dating back many months.
PFA chief executive Adam Vivian said his organisation was "monitoring the situation at Central Coast Mariners" and that "non-payment of superannuation is a breach of the standard player contract".

"dating back many months"

What's the bet, many=3?

 

[finally retired]

what about the statement "The Mariners are the biggest concern as some of their players haven't received superannuation payments since the first quarter of 2013" as quoted by Big Al.
I know its The World Game making the statement......but almost 3 years unpaid without any action is a bit hard to comprehend? (have I just answered my own question)