Make the judge watch the matches.
He should count himself lucky fox sports waste money on him.
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He should count himself lucky fox sports waste money on him.
Atomic
Well-Known Member
Crawley is also suing for unpaid wages.
Rowdy
Well-Known Member
Ive heard Moss was basically getting kick-backs
from the player agent/s of one/some of our players for signing them to 'new extended' deals. Bosnar in particular.If the club can provide evidence of this -he's screwed in court & could end up owing the club money himself.
FFC Mariner
Well-Known Member
Sadly, if he pissed on Charlesworths desk, there is a process to follow. If it wasnt handled well, he has a case.
Capn Gus Bloodbeard
Well-Known Member
Screw that - if Moss loses, make him watch his own matches as punishment!
elevated position
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the Arnie touch came with a huge follow up debacle.
Sydney will suffer the same hangover.
Sydney will suffer the same hangover.
nebakke
Well-Known Member
Doubt it, don't see him having the kind of room to move that he did with us... Not that I think it was a bad thing, but he hasn't had anywhere near the level of success and they have a lot less patience than we do....
Oh and they don't go for dynasties the way we have tended to
FFC Mariner
Well-Known Member
Don't think so. He destroyed Pompey by spending money that they didn't have and tying players to outrageous contracts
bikinigirl
Well-Known Member
. it sounds as though the outrageous contracts were signed by others in our case ... regardless we are still paying the price
dibo
Well-Known Member
The Russians Chinese are coming!
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Central Coast Mariners and Newcastle Jets may become first A-League clubs to become Chinese owned
January 24, 2016 - 9:24PM
Michael Cockerill
Football Writer
Interesting times: After Tim Cahill and the Socceroos showed China how it's done on the field, will Australian football repeat that off the field on the back on Chinese investment in Australia. Photo: AP
Football in Australia has something Chinese football wants – honesty, knowledge and achievement – and they're willing to pay for it. Football in China has something Australia desperately needs – money.
This is the partnership which can transform the domestic game above all else.The only uncertainty is how and when it happens.
If Chinese investors can buy strategic northern Australian ports, enormous tracts of prime farmland in northern NSW, and the priciest mansions on Sydney harbour, what's stopping them owning A-League clubs? Nothing at all.
And after a decade of kicking the tyres it seems they're finally ready to buy. It's the IP they want most of all.
For the best part of two decades, huge riches have poured into Chinese football. Billions. All the Chinese game has to show for it is a couple of Asian Champions League titles with Guangzhou Evergrande – achieved almost entirely because of foreign players and coaches – and not much else.
Corruption and match-fixing hasn't helped.
Ritual humiliation at national team level has become a deep scar, and there's even a chance China will fail to progress beyond the current stage of World Cup qualifying yet again.
Forthcoming home ties against Maldives and Qatar could still get them out of jail, but scoreless draws both home and "away" against minnows Hong Kong underline the enduring weakness of the homegrown game.
Eventually, the culture – that's the football culture – has to change.
With the highest political authorities in Beijing having made it clear that getting better at the world game is not an option, it's a must, things are on the move. Improving the development pathway, improving coach education, improving strength and conditioning programs, provide the foundation to produce better players. Which is where Australia comes into play.
Within the space of eight months between mid-2014 and this time last year, Western Sydney Wanderers eliminated Guangzhou Evergrande from the ACL, and the Socceroos eliminated China from the Asian Cup.
Money and resources didn't make the difference. Coaching, fitness, strength and endeavour did. It was a lesson well noted in Beijing.
Sometime this year, perhaps even within the next few months, there's every chance both Central Coast Mariners and Newcastle Jets will become Chinese-owned.
On a global level, even an Asian level, the buy-in price of around $5 million is dirt cheap.
In return – in terms of establishing a bridgehead in Australia and using it to listen and learn – the Chinese are confident the rewards will soon outweigh the investment.
It's how the Chinese operate in so many other Australian industries. Knowledge is king. Why should football be any different?
For the domestic game, the balancing act is to give up just enough of the IP to make the relationship genuine and worthwhile, but not too much. Closer ties with Chinese football have multiple advantages, but it's still important to retain the competitive edge. On the field, and off it.
Early next month in Adelaide, we're likely to get an interesting indication of exactly where that benchmark stands. Adelaide United's likely play-off opponents for the 2016 edition of the ACL are almost certain to be Shandong Luneng, who see the Champions League as a huge priority.
Despite Shandong's ambition, and their money, history tells us not to write off the Reds.
In fact it's a dead heat in the overall head-to-head record between Australian and Chinese clubs in the ACL.
If you can't beat them, buy them. Perhaps that at least partly explains the Chinese interest in the Mariners and the Jets. But it's a much bigger picture than that.
Let's be frank, the Chinese aren't likely to join forces with South Korea or Japan as they seek to build a new, better, generation of footballers.
Although both countries have a lot to offer, the historical enmity still runs deep.
Australia is a different story. There are mutual benefits, and less distrust. Right now, Australia has the edge, but one day the balance of power might shift if the power follows the money.
Can football in Australia still get better, smarter AND richer if it enters into a new era of co-operation with the Chinese?
Let's see.
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/sport/soccer/...nese-owned-20160124-gmcz4p.html#ixzz3yDor4A4I
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Central Coast Mariners and Newcastle Jets may become first A-League clubs to become Chinese owned
January 24, 2016 - 9:24PM
Michael Cockerill
Football Writer
Interesting times: After Tim Cahill and the Socceroos showed China how it's done on the field, will Australian football repeat that off the field on the back on Chinese investment in Australia. Photo: AP
Football in Australia has something Chinese football wants – honesty, knowledge and achievement – and they're willing to pay for it. Football in China has something Australia desperately needs – money.
This is the partnership which can transform the domestic game above all else.The only uncertainty is how and when it happens.
If Chinese investors can buy strategic northern Australian ports, enormous tracts of prime farmland in northern NSW, and the priciest mansions on Sydney harbour, what's stopping them owning A-League clubs? Nothing at all.
And after a decade of kicking the tyres it seems they're finally ready to buy. It's the IP they want most of all.
For the best part of two decades, huge riches have poured into Chinese football. Billions. All the Chinese game has to show for it is a couple of Asian Champions League titles with Guangzhou Evergrande – achieved almost entirely because of foreign players and coaches – and not much else.
Corruption and match-fixing hasn't helped.
Ritual humiliation at national team level has become a deep scar, and there's even a chance China will fail to progress beyond the current stage of World Cup qualifying yet again.
Forthcoming home ties against Maldives and Qatar could still get them out of jail, but scoreless draws both home and "away" against minnows Hong Kong underline the enduring weakness of the homegrown game.
Eventually, the culture – that's the football culture – has to change.
With the highest political authorities in Beijing having made it clear that getting better at the world game is not an option, it's a must, things are on the move. Improving the development pathway, improving coach education, improving strength and conditioning programs, provide the foundation to produce better players. Which is where Australia comes into play.
Within the space of eight months between mid-2014 and this time last year, Western Sydney Wanderers eliminated Guangzhou Evergrande from the ACL, and the Socceroos eliminated China from the Asian Cup.
Money and resources didn't make the difference. Coaching, fitness, strength and endeavour did. It was a lesson well noted in Beijing.
Sometime this year, perhaps even within the next few months, there's every chance both Central Coast Mariners and Newcastle Jets will become Chinese-owned.
On a global level, even an Asian level, the buy-in price of around $5 million is dirt cheap.
In return – in terms of establishing a bridgehead in Australia and using it to listen and learn – the Chinese are confident the rewards will soon outweigh the investment.
It's how the Chinese operate in so many other Australian industries. Knowledge is king. Why should football be any different?
For the domestic game, the balancing act is to give up just enough of the IP to make the relationship genuine and worthwhile, but not too much. Closer ties with Chinese football have multiple advantages, but it's still important to retain the competitive edge. On the field, and off it.
Early next month in Adelaide, we're likely to get an interesting indication of exactly where that benchmark stands. Adelaide United's likely play-off opponents for the 2016 edition of the ACL are almost certain to be Shandong Luneng, who see the Champions League as a huge priority.
Despite Shandong's ambition, and their money, history tells us not to write off the Reds.
In fact it's a dead heat in the overall head-to-head record between Australian and Chinese clubs in the ACL.
If you can't beat them, buy them. Perhaps that at least partly explains the Chinese interest in the Mariners and the Jets. But it's a much bigger picture than that.
Let's be frank, the Chinese aren't likely to join forces with South Korea or Japan as they seek to build a new, better, generation of footballers.
Although both countries have a lot to offer, the historical enmity still runs deep.
Australia is a different story. There are mutual benefits, and less distrust. Right now, Australia has the edge, but one day the balance of power might shift if the power follows the money.
Can football in Australia still get better, smarter AND richer if it enters into a new era of co-operation with the Chinese?
Let's see.
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/sport/soccer/...nese-owned-20160124-gmcz4p.html#ixzz3yDor4A4I
Atomic
Well-Known Member
It's just a "think piece". A throw away line linking CCM and Jets to Chinese investment is the only included to give the story some relevance. Other than that, it's just Mike's musings... musings that you dont have to be Einstein to come up with. I've often thought Chinese investment is the next logical step.
VicMariner
Well-Known Member
FFA can't give the Jets away atm.
The market isn't stupid enough it seems.
I don't know if I would like us to be solely Chinese owned but if they came on board as a partner to give MC a bit of space, that would be welcome.
The market isn't stupid enough it seems.
I don't know if I would like us to be solely Chinese owned but if they came on board as a partner to give MC a bit of space, that would be welcome.
dibo
Well-Known Member
For sure - it's not talking about specific interest, there's not a single quote in the piece, it's just saying that it makes sense.
Frankly he's right, but it's piss in the wind at the moment.
But groups like the Haisheng group (who were lined up as sponsors of our ill-fated 2015 AFC Champions League campaign) might be perfectly willing to jump in and buy the Mariners and even the COE as a strategic position to then wield influence over their main game - development of commercial and residential property.
It might tie up $5m in cash for the purchase and eat a further $1m a year, but if you're dealing in multiple properties in the tens of millions, sometimes having something that is a conversation starter and a bit of positive PR could be very valuable to them.
nebakke
Well-Known Member
Nono, that was before Charlesworth wasn't it? The Chinese have been and gone... Surely it's about time we start looking at the Iranians?
dibo
Well-Known Member
Sanctions. No go.Nono, that was before Charlesworth wasn't it? The Chinese have been and gone... Surely it's about time we start looking at the Iranians?
dibo
Well-Known Member
Everyone's favourite player agent (except CCM, most likely...) reckons he's got the lowdown on China's grand plans.
Also contains info on Sainsbury's move.
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How China's plan for football domination could transform the A-League
January 22, 2016
Sebastian Hassett
Football reporter
A leading player agent has revealed he's seen the document that details China's plan to take world football by storm - and the A-League has been identified as a key component in their predicted rise to the top.
Tony Rallis, who spent this week brokering Trent Sainsbury's lucrative move to Chinese club Jiangsu Suning, says he was "blown away" by what was presented to him during the course of negotiations.
The move will make Sainsbury the second highest-paid player in the Socceroos' setup, trailing only Tim Cahill, who signed an extension for 2016 with his club, Shanghai Shenhua. Sainsbury is understood to have agreed a deal worth $3.5 million per season after tax.
Big-money move: Trent Sainsbury is off to Jiangsu Sainty in China. Photo: Brendan Esposito
But Rallis said while the vision presented to him by Jiangsu was impressive in trying to lure Sainsbury from Dutch club PEC Zwolle, the real point of interest was when the club's owners produced the national blueprint for how they planned to "win the World Cup in the next 24 years".
"The Chinese government have pinpointed football as critical for their success as a nation and the plan is very clear - it ends with them winning the World Cup," he said. "They are determined to make it a reality and have informed the business leaders that they expect to see massive investment in football. It's something that will be looked upon very favourably."
Rallis said that rather than having China simply import intel from abroad, they were preparing to go much deeper in training their players to become champions.
"They've realised they need an enormous, concerted effort in order to produce the kind of players capable of winning World Cups," he said. "It's not just about buying coaches or making the Chinese Super League grow. Look at the players there last season - Robinho, Demba Ba, Cahill, Paulinho, Asamoah Gyan. It's already rising faster than most people are aware of."
And that's where Australia comes into the frame.
"It's a certainty that Chinese investors will look to buy A-League clubs. They see massive, untapped potential in Australia and, specifically, their academies," Rallis said. "They see our academies as places where you can have a 12-year-old, let him grow and develop, and come out as a better player with a complete football education.
"The great part is they don't want to replace Australian kids, they want top Chinese juniors to learn alongside Australian juniors. So Australia gets to reap the benefits of academies that are well-resourced with top coaches, increased competition and better players."
"It won't just be Australia, of course. There's nations around the world they've already begun identifying as places where they can roll-out this model. But they definitely see Australia as the ideal fit."
The Chinese, according to Rallis, believe Australia is a stable market, boasting strong football knowledge and a system free of corruption.
"With the exception of one or two clubs, they perceive that the A-League is well run," he said. "To purchase a club will also cost a lot less than clubs elsewhere. For them, the return on investment will be very strong.
"Four of the nine Australian-based A-League clubs are foreign owned but I expect that number could double over the next few years, which helps us pave the way for expansion."
The Newcastle Jets are up for sale by the FFA and Rallis said the owners at Jiangsu had already contemplated an approach.
He also reckoned that A-League fans could also get what they've been demanding most: big names.
"These guys are very clued in to what the A-League needs. They know it needs big stars and a better television deal and they're right across this," Rallis said. "They'll have no trouble dropping the money on a Chris Gayle-type marquee because they know they return will come in television rights. They can cope with losing five or six million dollars per season if what they are getting, long-term, is significantly more valuable.
"Put it this way - Jiangsu offered Yaya Toure $500,000 net per week to play there. That's the financial ball park they're playing in."
With several A-League owners struggling to come up with the finances required to keep going, Rallis said the FFA needed to enact a plan to make sure the investment materialised.
"Europe is financially ruined and long-term, China is where it's all going to happen, especially in regards to Australia," he said. "Inside ten years, Asian investment will drive world football. In many ways, it already is. But this is our chance."
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/sport/soccer/...he-aleague-20160121-gmavmn.html#ixzz3yE2HwWPF
Also contains info on Sainsbury's move.
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How China's plan for football domination could transform the A-League
January 22, 2016
Sebastian Hassett
Football reporter
A leading player agent has revealed he's seen the document that details China's plan to take world football by storm - and the A-League has been identified as a key component in their predicted rise to the top.
Tony Rallis, who spent this week brokering Trent Sainsbury's lucrative move to Chinese club Jiangsu Suning, says he was "blown away" by what was presented to him during the course of negotiations.
The move will make Sainsbury the second highest-paid player in the Socceroos' setup, trailing only Tim Cahill, who signed an extension for 2016 with his club, Shanghai Shenhua. Sainsbury is understood to have agreed a deal worth $3.5 million per season after tax.
Big-money move: Trent Sainsbury is off to Jiangsu Sainty in China. Photo: Brendan Esposito
But Rallis said while the vision presented to him by Jiangsu was impressive in trying to lure Sainsbury from Dutch club PEC Zwolle, the real point of interest was when the club's owners produced the national blueprint for how they planned to "win the World Cup in the next 24 years".
"The Chinese government have pinpointed football as critical for their success as a nation and the plan is very clear - it ends with them winning the World Cup," he said. "They are determined to make it a reality and have informed the business leaders that they expect to see massive investment in football. It's something that will be looked upon very favourably."
Rallis said that rather than having China simply import intel from abroad, they were preparing to go much deeper in training their players to become champions.
"They've realised they need an enormous, concerted effort in order to produce the kind of players capable of winning World Cups," he said. "It's not just about buying coaches or making the Chinese Super League grow. Look at the players there last season - Robinho, Demba Ba, Cahill, Paulinho, Asamoah Gyan. It's already rising faster than most people are aware of."
And that's where Australia comes into the frame.
"It's a certainty that Chinese investors will look to buy A-League clubs. They see massive, untapped potential in Australia and, specifically, their academies," Rallis said. "They see our academies as places where you can have a 12-year-old, let him grow and develop, and come out as a better player with a complete football education.
"The great part is they don't want to replace Australian kids, they want top Chinese juniors to learn alongside Australian juniors. So Australia gets to reap the benefits of academies that are well-resourced with top coaches, increased competition and better players."
"It won't just be Australia, of course. There's nations around the world they've already begun identifying as places where they can roll-out this model. But they definitely see Australia as the ideal fit."
The Chinese, according to Rallis, believe Australia is a stable market, boasting strong football knowledge and a system free of corruption.
"With the exception of one or two clubs, they perceive that the A-League is well run," he said. "To purchase a club will also cost a lot less than clubs elsewhere. For them, the return on investment will be very strong.
"Four of the nine Australian-based A-League clubs are foreign owned but I expect that number could double over the next few years, which helps us pave the way for expansion."
The Newcastle Jets are up for sale by the FFA and Rallis said the owners at Jiangsu had already contemplated an approach.
He also reckoned that A-League fans could also get what they've been demanding most: big names.
"These guys are very clued in to what the A-League needs. They know it needs big stars and a better television deal and they're right across this," Rallis said. "They'll have no trouble dropping the money on a Chris Gayle-type marquee because they know they return will come in television rights. They can cope with losing five or six million dollars per season if what they are getting, long-term, is significantly more valuable.
"Put it this way - Jiangsu offered Yaya Toure $500,000 net per week to play there. That's the financial ball park they're playing in."
With several A-League owners struggling to come up with the finances required to keep going, Rallis said the FFA needed to enact a plan to make sure the investment materialised.
"Europe is financially ruined and long-term, China is where it's all going to happen, especially in regards to Australia," he said. "Inside ten years, Asian investment will drive world football. In many ways, it already is. But this is our chance."
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/sport/soccer/...he-aleague-20160121-gmavmn.html#ixzz3yE2HwWPF
nebakke
Well-Known Member
Sanctions. No go.
Didn't they lift them, before they reapplied them last week though? - Might have a chance there?
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