Turbulence (then calm sailing, then turbulence) thread.

[pjennings]

There is F all corperate money on the coast I would hazard a guess, that's why a shedload of us work in Sydney. North Sydney on the other hand....

But from the sounds of it the mariners would struggle to organise a root in a brothel.

Masterfoods have been fantastic the giant sauce bottles and what not has been great marketing in my opinion so you have to give some credit there. Everyone knows about the Mariners and the masterfoods bottles.

Just quietly I don't let the Mrs buy any other sauce, marinade etc products

The fact that there is F all corporate money on the Coast is the reason that you need to be looking after this sector well. They are a scarce resource and they need to be fostered - not left to wither on the vine as many have been.

 

[VicMariner]

A strong partnership with the local chamber of commerce would be my top priority. Local businesses and the Mariners are made for each other. The club brings national and international attention to the CC area.
An immediate benefit is the away fans that come to games. How can local businesses and the club work together to maximize the numbers attending and also lengthen the time they spend on the coast. Find ways to have them make a weekend of it instead of watch the game and go home. That would be more outside money into the community. Win for everybody.
Beyond away fans there must be many other ways the two bodies can collaborate.
Corporate does not have to mean massive multinationals if the club can become an indispensable partner to the local business community. Many small partners over a few big ones.

 

[adz]

That's an old link.

Sorry my bad.

 

[nearlyyellow]

. forgive me if the conversation has moved on because i am still several pages behind on my reading ... but i would like to address this:

. unfortunately this is the case ... but you could also add: casual supporters, pretend supporters, casual observers and any other group ... many of which may have the best interests of the club and the coast (forgive my parochialism out-of-towners) at heart
(snip)

Sorry, did you mean to say?:
"... many of which may NOT have the best interests of the club and the coast (forgive my parochialism out-of-towners) at heart"

 

[bikinigirl]

Sorry, did you mean to say?:
"... many of which may NOT have the best interests of the club and the coast (forgive my parochialism out-of-towners) at heart"

No.

. of course there are those groups (or individuals) but i have no interest in trying to unite them for their cause

 

[midfielder]

Sorry to come back to this point ... BUT its mega in size, given all the talk pertaining to budgets costs to run etc..

That the $ 7,500 seems to be acknowledged as the correct rental, add say 50 security and other match day staff at $ say $ 400.00 each so $ 20,000 add lighting say $ 1, 000 and a bit more for other things thats at most
$ 30, 000 .. Say $40, 000 allowing $ 10, 000 for match day things other than wages and lighting...

Simple maths $ 40, 000 [and this seems well over what it actually costs] at 12 games is $ 480, 000.... 7, 000 [and its more] paying fans at $ 12.00 per ticket allowing for GST, kids and seniors by 12 games is ... $ 1, 092, 000.

Something stinks in Denmark ...

 

[nearlyyellow]

No.

. of course there are those groups (or individuals) but i have no interest in trying to unite them for their cause

K, thanks. Re-read it and it makes sense as is. Not that it shouldn't have last night, it's just that the last glass of "red cordial" made it seem not what it was, or something.

 

[rbakersmith]

Simple maths $ 40, 000 [and this seems well over what it actually costs] at 12 games is $ 480, 000.... 7, 000 [and its more] paying fans at $ 12.00 per ticket allowing for GST, kids and seniors by 12 games is ... $ 1, 092, 000.

Out of which you have to pay for salaries for the back office staff and football department, rental & utilities on the current offices, merchandise in inventory, ground fees for NYL games, salaries for NYL players (I'm pretty sure they're not included in the Foxtel deal)...

There's probably a few things that I haven't covered that the club has to pay for but I doubt that $1M that you've suggested would cover the salaries of the football department and the back office staff, let alone the other costs.

 

[nearlyyellow]

Sorry to come back to this point ... BUT its mega in size, given all the talk pertaining to budgets costs to run etc..

That the $ 7,500 seems to be acknowledged as the correct rental, add say 50 security and other match day staff at $ say $ 400.00 each so $ 20,000 add lighting say $ 1, 000 and a bit more for other things thats at most
$ 30, 000 .. Say $40, 000 allowing $ 10, 000 for match day things other than wages and lighting...

Simple maths $ 40, 000 [and this seems well over what it actually costs] at 12 games is $ 480, 000.... 7, 000 [and its more] paying fans at $ 12.00 per ticket allowing for GST, kids and seniors by 12 games is ... $ 1, 092, 000.

Something stinks in Denmark ...

And our cut from the TV rights cash would add a fait bit too, wouldn't it? You'd have to factor in the proportion of games at CCS over the total games per season ( 11/27ths. ? ) to come up with a fair P&L for home games at CCS.

 

[dibo]

You'd imagine there are several key costs (event costs, administration, football department, marketing and communications) and revenue sources (memberships, ticket sales, corporate hospitality, sponsorships and partnerships, FFA distributions).

That's why it's both nonsense to suggest that the costs being low means that there's cause for concern in back-of-the-envelope calculations showing we should be well in front on comparing ticket revenue to event costs, but it's also nonsense to suggest that the 9k break even figure is only comparing those two costs. Unless you were being deliberately misleading, you simply wouldn't quote a 9k break even figure unless you meant that averaging 9k means we break even.

 

[rbakersmith]

And our cut from the TV rights cash would add a fait bit too, wouldn't it? You'd have to factor in the proportion of games at CCS over the total games per season ( 11/27ths. ? ) to come up with a fair P&L for home games at CCS.

I suspect it would be a straight 10% of the rights money - and this would go on A-League player salaries.

 

[bilo]

http://www.afr.com/p/lifestyle/sport/mariners_can_afford_full_season_oZhVrXAi4oasEp8x0Fo2IM

Another article re moving from Gosford in the fin review today.

Also some other big news to come out later this afternoon.

 

[dibo]

I suspect it would be a straight 10% of the rights money - and this would go on A-League player salaries.

FFA grant covers the salary cap. There are other expenses for FFA that money flows to - national teams, game development, etc.

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/sport...ought-ffa-grants/story-fnddhv0x-1226618591319

 

[dibo]

http://www.afr.com/p/lifestyle/sport/mariners_can_afford_full_season_oZhVrXAi4oasEp8x0Fo2IM

Another article re moving from Gosford in the fin review today.

Also some other big news to come out later this afternoon.

He knows that every other club in the country has been losing money too, right? He looked at the books before he paid up, didn't he? And he knows that generally the A-League's clubs are roaring towards profitability, a swing that will only gather pace with the new TV deal, right? Therefore he should know that while he's been pouring cash in (something which nobody denies, and for which everyone is appreciative) he's also got control of an asset with serious potential to appreciate in value, right?

His issue now is whether or not he has the cash to keep the ball rolling. If he's getting to the end of *his* cash reserves, I totally understand that he would want to do something to alleviate the pressure.

In addition to ensuring that the operational details are sorted out so we sell sponsorhips and corporate hospitality and service them well, we really need a cash injection. Instead of flights of fancy to North Sydney, why not make a direct pitch for local councils to buy equity in the club? Why not offer a cash for equity deal to FFA to preserve the foothold in the market? Singo's making noises again - why not go and tell him that this is the way of ensuring the Central Coast maintains a national sporting brand?

Instead, he's taking out the foundations of the club, brick by brick.

 

[rbakersmith]

Instead of flights of fancy to North Sydney, why not make a direct pitch for local councils to buy equity in the club?

If I was a Gosford or Wyong ratepayer, I would rather my council spend my money on facilities and infrastructure than directly investing in an enterprise that has lost money for the last 10 years and will continue to do so for the foreseeable future.

 

[Einstein]

http://www.afr.com/p/lifestyle/sport/mariners_can_afford_full_season_oZhVrXAi4oasEp8x0Fo2IM

Another article re moving from Gosford in the fin review today.

Also some other big news to come out later this afternoon.

Its out, I suspect

 

[bilo]

If I was a Gosford or Wyong ratepayer, I would rather my council spend my money on facilities and infrastructure than directly investing in an enterprise that has lost money for the last 10 years and will continue to do so for the foreseeable future.

Agree. If council were going to get involved why wouldn't it be on a community ownership based model. Not to a private business where they have no control over the direction and a unpredicatable and incompetent management

 

[bilo]

Yep from Lawrie Mckinna

first started to do work on behalf of Central Coast Mariners on Feb 2004 before the club even had a name. We started to train on 1 March 2005 at Mingara and since this day our little club has achieved so many things and will continue to achieve into the future. 4 Grand Final appearances and winning 1, 2 Premiers Plates a pre season cup win as well and many ACL appearances . It's been well documented we used to have the best community model and hopefully we will continue to be the best community minded A league club . After a lot of consideration I have decided to step down from my role as CCM Ambassador and for the first time in over 10 years I will no longer be associated with the club in a profession position. I will still be a great supporter for our club but as a fan not as a coach, GM of Football or Ambassador.See you on the 27 December at Central Coast Stadium

 

[rbakersmith]

While it's sad to see Lawrie no longer directly involved with the club, it does mean that he is now free to participate in Council votes that relate to the club.

 

[bilo]

Somehow I would suggest thats no going to happen. If I were to read between the lines he is leaving because he is not happy with the direction of the club, especially the moves to North Sydney. As Mayor he can probably say a lot more about it now.