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Top of the table clash- Central Coast v Melbourne
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penwingman
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Auburn Mariner said:
As for the grand final being played in Melbourne, don't called it too soon! The whole pitch was appalling last night, players were falling over consistently and to have that side strip it was a disgrace like the commentator on fox said "Hell would freeze over before the FFA would accept that"
Apart from some crap crosses and misdirected shots, I think our lads put up a good fight considering they were'nt expected to win
Fair enough some might say that in the end we were outplayed towards the back end of the match. However, its just so fustrating that we were right in it until that absolutely terrible offside decision was made against macallister. IF that goal WAS allowed, it would have meant that melb would have had to come after us which in turn would of made it easier for us to counter! A decision like that totally changes the complexion of the game. As a result melbourne now have a nice buffer on top of the league... And i lost sleep 
offtheball
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As for the grand final being played in Melbourne, don't called it too soon! The whole pitch was appalling last night, players were falling over consistently and to have that side strip it was a disgrace like the commentator on fox said "Hell would freeze over before the FFA would accept that"
Apart from some crap crosses and misdirected shots, I think our lads put up a good fight considering they were'nt expected to win
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He actually said hell would freeze over before the AFL would accept that.
As for the grand final being played in Melbourne, don't called it too soon! The whole pitch was appalling last night, players were falling over consistently and to have that side strip it was a disgrace like the commentator on fox said "Hell would freeze over before the FFA would accept that"
Apart from some crap crosses and misdirected shots, I think our lads put up a good fight considering they were'nt expected to win
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He actually said hell would freeze over before the AFL would accept that.
clarence
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Funny how the AFL runs the Docklands domain - I thought a lot of that land was previously Vic. Govt. land? If so, then the AFL just have the managing rights to the stadium. So the Vic. Govt just hands over a major sporting venue of their State to ONE sporting group, eh? Or maybe they (AFL) put money down on the table and paid for some of the infrastructure contruction? I know this has happened in NSW too with RL, but my point is that there's other sports - ours included - that have a RIGHT to use these venues too.
If Melbourne Victory and the FFA are merely clients of the Stadium, like Sydney is for the SFS, & Roar for Suncorp, then what we saw last night that was supposed to be a pitch was laughable and potentially dangerous to the players, and the clients should NOT have to accept that. Standards must be spelt out to the stadia managers and strictly enforced. Any postponement, relocation etc. caused by such a terrible pitch should become the expenditure of the Stadium managers responsible for the bad pitch.
In the first half I clearly saw Caceres stuff up a clearance because he slipped on that 'carpet' (that's what it looked like on TV), and I saw a number of players from both sides have their game impeded by the state of the pitch (I'm not talking about the odd wobble from a divot, more like nearly slipping over, or being very un confident on the temporary surface).
I know the clubs were in a bind, I know the FFA and Foxtel had a top of the table clash to put on, I know fans would have been disappointed, but the ref (I believe he has the final say) should have said - the temporary measures are not suitable, someone could do a knee or worse.
If a game between us and Sydney was called off because of the state of the pitch (underwater and unsafe), this also warranted a similar tough stand by the officials.
What should happen after this is:
1) The FFA come out swinging and give a massive serve to the stadium management. The pitch was that bad that a player could have had their season ended.
2) Sanction the Melbourne Victory club too, so that their owners have a motivation to be more proactive in these matters.
3) Have the PFA come out swinging too. I'm sure if the venue was owned by someone else, the AFL would have been crying like babies if they had been asked to play on that garbage. The PFA should say it won't allow players to risk their seasons on such sub standard pitches AGAIN. Walk off and both sides not having players to field would be an option. Good old fashioned black ban the pitch. Until the players grow some nuts, take a united stand and say 'piss off we are NOT playing on that, someone could get hurt',this sort of endangerment will probably occur again.
4) Pressure the FFA, and the clubs that have only client/tenant rights to stadium, to block book seasons, and enable the Clubs themselves to dictate what the venue is used for when they are in the middle of a season. I know this means laying down some serious money, but if such financial leverage could be put down on the table, the A-League clubs would then have the stadium/s to themselves from Round 1, to Finals series (with option rights for ACL matches).
I'm not into whigeing about the game itself, the ref was an idiot & the ARs weren't much better, Melbourne rattled us a fair bit at times, I think both sides might have players with cases to answer. There was a fair bit of bad tackling happening. Simon copped an elbow across the face from Musc**t. Melbourne made the most of their chances, we did not.
Some good touches by both sides & doesn't it hurt when an ex player puts in a good goal against his old side? I always felt we were prone to a decent midfield counter attack playing with 3 upfront, but Lawrie has a good formula going with that format, it can promote exciting plays, and it has been netting results to date. The speed of someone like Tommy, and the good ball skills of both Thompson and Tommy, showed how a good midfield counter attack can get right into our penalty box and reek havoc.
If Melbourne Victory and the FFA are merely clients of the Stadium, like Sydney is for the SFS, & Roar for Suncorp, then what we saw last night that was supposed to be a pitch was laughable and potentially dangerous to the players, and the clients should NOT have to accept that. Standards must be spelt out to the stadia managers and strictly enforced. Any postponement, relocation etc. caused by such a terrible pitch should become the expenditure of the Stadium managers responsible for the bad pitch.
In the first half I clearly saw Caceres stuff up a clearance because he slipped on that 'carpet' (that's what it looked like on TV), and I saw a number of players from both sides have their game impeded by the state of the pitch (I'm not talking about the odd wobble from a divot, more like nearly slipping over, or being very un confident on the temporary surface).
I know the clubs were in a bind, I know the FFA and Foxtel had a top of the table clash to put on, I know fans would have been disappointed, but the ref (I believe he has the final say) should have said - the temporary measures are not suitable, someone could do a knee or worse.
If a game between us and Sydney was called off because of the state of the pitch (underwater and unsafe), this also warranted a similar tough stand by the officials.
What should happen after this is:
1) The FFA come out swinging and give a massive serve to the stadium management. The pitch was that bad that a player could have had their season ended.
2) Sanction the Melbourne Victory club too, so that their owners have a motivation to be more proactive in these matters.
3) Have the PFA come out swinging too. I'm sure if the venue was owned by someone else, the AFL would have been crying like babies if they had been asked to play on that garbage. The PFA should say it won't allow players to risk their seasons on such sub standard pitches AGAIN. Walk off and both sides not having players to field would be an option. Good old fashioned black ban the pitch. Until the players grow some nuts, take a united stand and say 'piss off we are NOT playing on that, someone could get hurt',this sort of endangerment will probably occur again.
4) Pressure the FFA, and the clubs that have only client/tenant rights to stadium, to block book seasons, and enable the Clubs themselves to dictate what the venue is used for when they are in the middle of a season. I know this means laying down some serious money, but if such financial leverage could be put down on the table, the A-League clubs would then have the stadium/s to themselves from Round 1, to Finals series (with option rights for ACL matches).
I'm not into whigeing about the game itself, the ref was an idiot & the ARs weren't much better, Melbourne rattled us a fair bit at times, I think both sides might have players with cases to answer. There was a fair bit of bad tackling happening. Simon copped an elbow across the face from Musc**t. Melbourne made the most of their chances, we did not.
Some good touches by both sides & doesn't it hurt when an ex player puts in a good goal against his old side? I always felt we were prone to a decent midfield counter attack playing with 3 upfront, but Lawrie has a good formula going with that format, it can promote exciting plays, and it has been netting results to date. The speed of someone like Tommy, and the good ball skills of both Thompson and Tommy, showed how a good midfield counter attack can get right into our penalty box and reek havoc.
I think the players were just gutted after the decision and just lost there spark
I think we were lucky to be up 1nil from hutchos freekick just a brainsnap from theo
but extremly unlucky with maccas chip shot and caceras from the edge of box he seemed to slip at crucial moment.
We were also lucky vargas f**ked up his header and danny pulled off a good save on thompsons first break.
I think we were outplayed for most parts but had the offside gone our way i reckon the boys would of charged home and owned the second half.
I think we were lucky to be up 1nil from hutchos freekick just a brainsnap from theo
but extremly unlucky with maccas chip shot and caceras from the edge of box he seemed to slip at crucial moment.
We were also lucky vargas f**ked up his header and danny pulled off a good save on thompsons first break.
I think we were outplayed for most parts but had the offside gone our way i reckon the boys would of charged home and owned the second half.
The dome was built by the afl & private investers on the site of waverly park, that was built by the vfl on land owned by the vfl. Its management right were bought for 330 mil. by James Fielding Management (Mirvac/ Leightons Holdings company). The AFL assumes sole ownership in 2025.clarence said:
clarence
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Thank you for clarifying the ownership question. I wasn't sure, and thought that the land was prev. a Victorian Govt. lot due to the close proximity to the old Olympic areas.
Who is going to own and manage the new rectangular stadium that is being built nearby to the 'Dome? Any ideas on what the arrangement will be there, once that is in operation.
Who is going to own and manage the new rectangular stadium that is being built nearby to the 'Dome? Any ideas on what the arrangement will be there, once that is in operation.
Blackadder
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curious said:
The former vfl/afl park @ Waverly is way out in the Eastern Suburbs several miles from any public transport.
FFC Mariner
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Back from Melb safe and sound
Not going to comment too much on the game except to say that from the visitors section, you can see sweet FA.
Tommy's goal was sublime and replays confirm that Archie was onside and SO WAS DYLAN. Their heads seemed to drop after the disallowed goal and we didnt seem to play well for the rest of the game.
As the players left the ground they seemed visibly upset but I was a bit pissed off that only Sasho, Wilko and Gumps made an effort to come over (as they had to walk past us, it wasnt much of a detour). A few half heartedly waved and a few more just ignored us (you know who your are).
I understand that they had just lost (unfairly) and would have been gutted. But how did they think we felt and we paid to be there!
As to Melb itself, what great people, before the game, during it and afterwards, there didnt seem to be any dickheadedness. I met a couple of Victory mates in the bar behind the North End after the game (was the only Mariner in there) and they were fine, bit of piss taking but all in fun.
As to the ground, ok the pitch was shit but with the roof closed, 21,500 sounds very loud and the bars, food places etc are fantastic. Given how close it is to the City makes you realise how f**ked SFS really is
Not going to comment too much on the game except to say that from the visitors section, you can see sweet FA.
Tommy's goal was sublime and replays confirm that Archie was onside and SO WAS DYLAN. Their heads seemed to drop after the disallowed goal and we didnt seem to play well for the rest of the game.
As the players left the ground they seemed visibly upset but I was a bit pissed off that only Sasho, Wilko and Gumps made an effort to come over (as they had to walk past us, it wasnt much of a detour). A few half heartedly waved and a few more just ignored us (you know who your are).
I understand that they had just lost (unfairly) and would have been gutted. But how did they think we felt and we paid to be there!
As to Melb itself, what great people, before the game, during it and afterwards, there didnt seem to be any dickheadedness. I met a couple of Victory mates in the bar behind the North End after the game (was the only Mariner in there) and they were fine, bit of piss taking but all in fun.
As to the ground, ok the pitch was shit but with the roof closed, 21,500 sounds very loud and the bars, food places etc are fantastic. Given how close it is to the City makes you realise how f**ked SFS really is
clarence
Well-Known Member
curious said:
If that turned out the case, you'd hope that Melbourne Victory got it's act together and really went for the management rights, so they can control the use of the stadium to suit the A-League season. The only other user of that stadium should be Melbourne Storm (NRL), but it seems the extraordinary major events, like that Andre Rieu concert, are what stuffs up a lot of stadia surfaces (I think Bluetongue's drainage problems last season was alleged to have been caused by damage from a MotoCross event or the likes).
FFC Mariner
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Unlike some of our current "heroes", he at least came towards us at the end and saluted us. What did you expect him to do, a Dennis Law when he scored for Man City to send Utd down??
C'mon people be reasonable here
C'mon people be reasonable here
serious14
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So, Wilko and Hutch ay?? Starting places, week after week ay??
*shakes head in disgust*
Oh, and competent A-League officials one day, surely it's not too much to ask for??
P.S. As a city, the people, and just about everything, Melbourne >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sydney. By so so so so much.
*shakes head in disgust*
Oh, and competent A-League officials one day, surely it's not too much to ask for??
P.S. As a city, the people, and just about everything, Melbourne >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sydney. By so so so so much.
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