Scum Match

[Roy Law]

An email from a friend of mine

"I took the back road to Club Tuggerah, the Centre of Mediocracy Central Coast style. Two new Tvs now adorn the main room. I didn't have to worry about getting a good front row seat because there was only 6 mariner supporters... Twenty minutes into the game the volume suddenly went to mute by remote. All six stood up and looked around for the culprit. A lady with a mariners shirt on said it was time for the raffle and we had to respect the meat tray rafflees. Before I could say ” you have got to be joking” the chap next to me screamed ”what the f?/!*” The psudo mariner officianado then realised that there was a football game on and that one of the teams was wearing shirts similar to hers. ”I didn't realise that we were playing today” ”Sorry”

I think we have a little bit more to go before we connect with all the community LOL

 

[p-diddy]

the community club

 

[Mumbles]

Since when has Newcastle beaten the Mariners without cheating?

I just watched Pedj torpedo those two dipshits over and over again.
What me? Mr Williams

Very funny! verhead:

 

[Wombat]

the community club

As opposed to the jets. Front shirt sponsor .....centrelink.

Back sponsor....Ash Herbal.


f**k off Bogan....pick your mum off the floor and put her to bed. Do your homework and climb into your sleeping bag and get some sleep.

 

[p-diddy]

i find the fact that someone gave that post a positive rep more embarrassing than the dubious attempt at humour it displays.

 

[Gratis]

articles on games like this tend to avoid risking the ire of one side but this seems to reflect the truth a little better than many i've read

Controversial refereeing gives Jets F3 derby win
http://www.examiner.com/article/controversial-refereeing-gives-jets-f3-derby-win

The Newcastle Jets have won the first F3 Derby of the season, although not without some controversial refereeing assisting them as they defeated the Central Coast Mariners 2-1 at Hunter Stadium on Saturday afternoon.

The Mariners were incensed in just the first minute when Ruben Zadkovich took out Josh Rose with a violent tackle that should have earned him a red only for a yellow to be shown.

Ben Williams did little to endear himself to the Mariners fans minutes later when he pointed to the spot after Emile Heskey went to ground in the box, however it seemed to be that the big striker was leaning on the much smaller Michael McGlinchey causing both players to fall, Williams still sided with Newcastle despite the protests and Ryan Griffiths scored the penalty in the fifth minute.

The officiating continued to frustrate the Central Coast and again the Mariners were denied in the 12th minute after Josh Rose was released clean through of the defense only for the assistant referee to raise his flag for offside despite Rose being in his own half.

From there the Mariners dominated the first half with Patrick Zwaanswijk sending in a free-kick that was blocked by the wall before the best chance of the half fell to Trent Sainsbury.

In the 20th minute Mile Sterjovski sent in a corner that perfectly found Sainsbury only to be denied by an impressive Mark Birighitti save.

Just moments late Birighitti again saved the day for Newcastle as he parried away Rogic's shot that looked destined for the net.

Thae Mariners kept attacking with McGlinchey and Rogic looking dangerous but struggled to break through the Newcastle defense, meanwhile Craig Goodwin was looking dangerous for the Jets, again seeking out Emile Heskey.

The second half saw the Mariners start by dominating with Birighitti again rescuing the Jets as he snuffed out Daniel McBreen's cross.

In the 52nd minute Rogic made a powerful run in to the box and crossed for Sterjovski whose shot went narrowly wide.

Despite the Mariners domination the Jets doubled their lead on the hour mark as James Virgili ran through the Central Coast defense before delivering the ball for Heskey to score a simple tap-in.

The match nearly blew up not long afterwards with Zadkovic again committing a nasty foul and escaping a red card for the second time as Williams didn't take action, causing tempers to boil over and several players from both sides getting in to a scuffle.

With the Mariners staring at a derby defeat Graham Arnold went to his bench and brought on exciting young striker Bernie Ibini for Sterjovski as they looked to turn their possession in to goals.

That change worked in the 71st minute as McBreen headed on a long throw to McGlinchey who set up Ibini for a simple tap-in to pull the Mariners within one.

The Mariners kept looking for an equalizer as Rogic and Ibini kept pushing leaving the Jets defense scrambling while Birighitti continued to keep the Mariners out.

The Mariners were again denied by officiating in stoppage time as Patrick Zwaanswijk looked like he'd scored the equalizer only to again be denied by a contentious offside decision, handing the Jets a 2-1 victory.

 

[Bex]

Yep, that pretty much sums it up. Dirty scum...

 

[Capn Gus Bloodbeard]

Apparently Fox Sports analysed that last offside decision and found that it was correct, but as for the other ones....

Well, FFA aren't happy either:

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/football/referees-face-sack-after-critical-mistakes-during-f3-derby/story-fn63e0vj-1226501018276

 

[adz]

Last bit of that article...

As for the captain's referral, Wilson is not in favour of it because "it isn't foolproof and as you have seen in other sports you probably get as many contentious decisions coming from the video referee's box as you would from referees".

ie. no point having a video ref; they would probably still f**k it up anyway.

 

[Capn Gus Bloodbeard]

Haha...well, they would sometimes - but plenty of incidents don't really have a clearcut answer even after analysing a video.

 

[T]

I always thought the benifit of the doubt was supposed to be given to the attacking team, in which case the goal should have stood, as it's only when the replay is stopped at that exact moment you can see Patricks foot slightly in front.... Stupid call! The ref's should be sacked! :angry:

 

[Roy Law]

It is a pretty damning indictment by the FFA - Ben Williams must be stood down. And they are quite right to point out that Zwans should have been given the benefit as the attacking player. But it doesn't change the result and now we have to beat Heart. If we continue the improvement we have shown over the first three games we should do alright.

 

[Capn Gus Bloodbeard]

I always thought the benifit of the doubt was supposed to be given to the attacking team, in which case the goal should have stood, as it's only when the replay is stopped at that exact moment you can see Patricks foot slightly in front.... Stupid call! The ref's should be sacked! :angry:

For offside, it is - but a lot of people mistake that for thinking 'if it's close the attack should get benefit of the doubt'.

It basically means that if the AR isn't certain there's an offside infringement, then benefit of the doubt goes to 'not stopping play' (in this case, BOTD goes to the attack).

Even if it's just very slightly in front, the AR can still be 'certain' from his perspective - and he wouldn't have flagged it if he wasn't certain (of course, you can be certain and still be incorrect - as the other AR knows!!! - but in this case, he was certain and correct. So what's the issue?).

The AR should be commended for getting a tight call correct, and if he can do that consistently then it what's needed. I just don't understand the 'well, you got the call right, but you still shouldn't have given it' notion.

It is a pretty damning indictment by the FFA - Ben Williams must be stood down. And they are quite right to point out that Zwans should have been given the benefit as the attacking player. But it doesn't change the result and now we have to beat Heart. If we continue the improvement we have shown over the first three games we should do alright.

He was just saying that it was such a close one to call that he wouldn't have criticised the AR for getting it wrong - but something tells me that if it was a Jets goal that was disallowed, you wouldn't be so strongly arguing that the attack should've had the benefit ;-)

Referees and AR's have been getting dropped for underperformance for a few years now. That approach has positives and negatives (and I believe the incorrect penalty isn't too different from a number of decisions that occur in the middle of the field, but this is the one that got the attention - so sometimes I wonder if decisions like this are symptomatic of a broader refereeing issue, rather than one guy f****** up), but overall I think the public likes to know that there is accountability in place.

 

[Forum Phoenix]

The argument against using video that some decisions still wouldn't be clear is such a flawed argument. Refereeing is clearly too hard a job. ANd if something can only improve it by 40% not 100% we're still 40% better off.

Which is clearly a lot better than the f**king atrocious display we saw on the weekend.

 

[Gratis]

My thoughts on vid ref's have always been (and this is not a strong opinion, more a thought) that they should be available but only used in decisions that DIRECTLY influence the outcomes of game - i.e. where goals/penalties are involved.
then if the vid ref can't be absoultely conclusive it defers back to the on-field referee's call.
this way it's rarely used and doesn't interfere with play too much, only applied when it is certain or is left to the discretion of the original ref and so it basically means minimal use except where teams may get screwed out of an important result

 

[Capn Gus Bloodbeard]

Well, take the incorrect offside, early in the match. Video ref would be useless there, because play has been stopped so we've already lot the opportunity.

But an offisde closer to a goal being scored? Maybe

Of course, the penalty is a prime case for a video ref - but what if the penalty isn't given, and play continues, how does it get applied then?

I'm not really opposed to video replays, it's just a matter of how to make them work. It would have only helped in 1/3 bad decisions, but that's better than nothing.

 

[ExiledMariner]

As long as FIFA are against video replays the rest of the football administrations around the world will be too.

 

[Bex]

I don't want video replays. I want officials that can get the simple calls right.

It's understandable officials might get tough calls wrong occasionally. I'll live with that because video refs get calls wrong anyway, and I can't live with that when they've had every opportunity to get it right. I like the kiss principle; keep it simple, stupid. Let's not have technology that interupts the flow of the game.

I'm not against technologies that don't interupt the flow of the game e.g. a goal line sensor that detects if the ball has gone completely over the goal line (i.e. if it exists) - and simply alerts the ref to make the call. This is relatively foolproof because it's either over the line or it isn't and a sensor could do a great job of detecting that. But when technology is used to provide evidence for someone to make a judgement call (e.g. fouls, dives, etc), it's still a judgement call so let's not pretend that technology can somehow change that instantly.

 

[CCFCFAN4EVER]

The use of Videos as evidence someone has stuffed up is one thing, but I what I got from the very poor decisions by the 'officials' at the match on the weekend was that they are of a poor quality, well below what our sport should expect from supposedly qualified officials at the highest level of Australian sport in the most watched and participated professional sport in the world.

Not sure about the assistants, but the ref is one of Australia's top 4 refs.... amazing ! He missed Zadcovich malicious kicking (I refuse to call them tackles) of our players not once but twice and it was right in front of his nose .... incredible. Although there were faint cries from the Newcastle players for a penalty, I don't believe ANYONE (bar the ref) really thought that such a basic and fair 50-50 challenge was, deserved to be, or even looked like a penalty offence. Either the guy is incompetent, bias or doesn't know the laws of the game. I can't believe that he doesn't know the laws so it is one or both of incompetent or bias (or perhaps a bit of both).

Whatever the cause of his poor decisions we need to hear a public statement from him explaining his decisions and clearly until he can prove his competence in State football (if they'll have him) over a protracted period, preferably the rest of the season, he should not return to officiating at A league matches. Yes refs are human (we think) and make mistakes (we know and begrudgingly accept a few per game) but so many and always against the same team, this is unacceptable at this level. I believe if the Association doesn't disqualifying him for the rest of the season then he should disqualify himself from top grade referring until he can rectify his atroucious error count on MAJOR ISSUES in a match ?

I doubt the referring fraturnity will be that forthcoming but I do hope he isn't given a game at Blue Tongue in the next few years as that will be asking for trouble. I believe Arnie has every right to request he never ref another Mariners game again.

I do not blame the last 'game changing' decision on the ref, he got a flag from his assistant and although I agree Dutchy's last minute effort was 'technically offside' however as only part of his foot was in an offside position and only for a nano-second, how could the assistant referree be 'absolutely positive' (which he has to be for it to be offside) that when the ball was played Dutchy was offside. I'd say that for such a minor incursion of such a small part of his body for such a short period of time it would have been impossible to be absolutely sure. That decision aside I believe we should be proud that our team managed to lose by only one goal given the 5-0 thrashing we took in GAME CHANGING decisions that had a direct impact on the end result. MOM for me was again McBreen, his commitment was second to none.

I'm looking forward to our next match where if we get just half of the 50-50 decisons, we should bury them.

 

[gull]

The use of Videos as evidence someone has stuffed up is one thing, but I what I got from the very poor decisions by the 'officials' at the match on the weekend was that they are of a poor quality, well below what our sport should expect from supposedly qualified officials at the highest level of Australian sport in the most watched and participated professional sport in the world.

Not sure about the assistants, but the ref is one of Australia's top 4 refs.... amazing ! He missed Zadcovich malicious kicking (I refuse to call them tackles) of our players not once but twice and it was right in front of his nose .... incredible. Although there were faint cries from the Newcastle players for a penalty, I don't believe ANYONE (bar the ref) really thought that such a basic and fair 50-50 challenge was, deserved to be, or even looked like a penalty offence. Either the guy is incompetent, bias or doesn't know the laws of the game. I can't believe that he doesn't know the laws so it is one or both of incompetent or bias (or perhaps a bit of both).

Whatever the cause of his poor decisions we need to hear a public statement from him explaining his decisions and clearly until he can prove his competence in State football (if they'll have him) over a protracted period, preferably the rest of the season, he should not return to officiating at A league matches. Yes refs are human (we think) and make mistakes (we know and begrudgingly accept a few per game) but so many and always against the same team, this is unacceptable at this level. I believe if the Association doesn't disqualifying him for the rest of the season then he should disqualify himself from top grade referring until he can rectify his atroucious error count on MAJOR ISSUES in a match ?

I doubt the referring fraturnity will be that forthcoming but I do hope he isn't given a game at Blue Tongue in the next few years as that will be asking for trouble. I believe Arnie has every right to request he never ref another Mariners game again.

I do not blame the last 'game changing' decision on the ref, he got a flag from his assistant and although I agree Dutchy's last minute effort was 'technically offside' however as only part of his foot was in an offside position and only for a nano-second, how could the assistant referree be 'absolutely positive' (which he has to be for it to be offside) that when the ball was played Dutchy was offside. I'd say that for such a minor incursion of such a small part of his body for such a short period of time it would have been impossible to be absolutely sure. That decision aside I believe we should be proud that our team managed to lose by only one goal given the 5-0 thrashing we took in GAME CHANGING decisions that had a direct impact on the end result. MOM for me was again McBreen, his commitment was second to none.

I'm looking forward to our next match where if we get just half of the 50-50 decisons, we should bury them.

Absolutely agree with everything in this - spot on.