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Scottish Premier League Discussion and poll

Which SPL Team do you support (voting Reset)

  • [glow=green,2,300][color=white]Celtic FC[/color][/glow]

    Votes: 1 25.0%

  • [glow=blue,2,300][color=red]Rangers FC[/color][/glow]

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • [glow=orange,2,300]Dundee United[/glow]

    Votes: 1 25.0%

  • [glow=red,2,300][color=white]Aberdeen FC[/color][/glow]

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • [glow=maroon,2,300][color=white]Heart of Midlothian[/color][/glow]

    Votes: 1 25.0%

  • [glow=green,2,300][color=green]Hibernian FC[/color][/glow]

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • [glow=blue,2,300][color=white]Kilmarnock FC[/color][/glow]

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • [glow=orange,2,300][color=maroon]Motherwell FC[/color][/glow]

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • [glow=red,2,300][color=blue]Inverness CT[/color][/glow]

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • [glow=Navy,2,300][color=white]Falkirk FC[/color][/glow]

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • [glow=black,2,300][color=white]St Mirren FC[/color][/glow]

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Other i.e. Hamilton Academical, any lower division club

    Votes: 1 25.0%
  • Total voters
    4
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skilbeck

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Arabmariner said:
skilbeck said:
another thing its pretty poor form that the combined average attendance of the Edinbuggers is still lower than either of the glasgow sides.
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Yes but the population of Edinburgh is only about 450,000.Glasgows official population these days is about 630,000 but that is misleading due to succesive boundary changes making the city area smaller.The population in 1961 was over a million.There are thousands of soap dodgers living beyond the city boundarys.
Also after the 2nd World War a number of new towns were build around the country to take the over spill of soap dodgers out of Glasgow so they could clear out the slum areas like the Gorbals.
As a result the rest of the country has been infested with soap dodgers who travel every week to follow their teams.
So there you go skilbeck a wee history lesson for ye!

Oh and by the way I'm married to the daughter of a soap dodger frae the Gorbals so don't be giving me any lip or........... :headbutt: glesga kiss!
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EDINBURGH
Population 448,624 (2001 Census)
Urban 1,250,000

GLASGOW
Population 580,690 (August 2007)[2]
- Density 8,541.8/sq mi (3,298/km)
Urban[2] 1,750,500
Metro 2.3 million

There is easily enough for an Edinbugger side that gets an average of 40-45k
 
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Arabmariner

Well-Known Member
skilbeck said:
Arabmariner said:
skilbeck said:
another thing its pretty poor form that the combined average attendance of the Edinbuggers is still lower than either of the glasgow sides.
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Yes but the population of Edinburgh is only about 450,000.Glasgows official population these days is about 630,000 but that is misleading due to succesive boundary changes making the city area smaller.The population in 1961 was over a million.There are thousands of soap dodgers living beyond the city boundarys.
Also after the 2nd World War a number of new towns were build around the country to take the over spill of soap dodgers out of Glasgow so they could clear out the slum areas like the Gorbals.
As a result the rest of the country has been infested with soap dodgers who travel every week to follow their teams.
So there you go skilbeck a wee history lesson for ye!

Oh and by the way I'm married to the daughter of a soap dodger frae the Gorbals so don't be giving me any lip or........... :headbutt: glesga kiss!
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EDINBURGH
Population 448,624 (2001 Census)
Urban 1,250,000

GLASGOW
Population 580,690 (August 2007)[2]
- Density 8,541.8/sq mi (3,298/km)
Urban[2] 1,750,500
Metro 2.3 million

There is easily enough for an Edinbugger side that gets an average of 40-45k
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Ah but you're forgetting the infestation of soap dodgers in the surrounding areas! :p
 
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skilbeck

Well-Known Member
i meant infestation, least when i move to Scotland for a season or two i dont have to live in Glasgow, I can still support the Celts and there will be others like me out there
 
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Arabmariner

Well-Known Member
skilbeck said:
i meant infestation, least when i move to Scotland for a season or two i dont have to live in Glasgow, I can still support the Celts and there will be others like me out there
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Actually Glasgows  a really nice city now I believe......has become quite trendy which is a far cry from the place I remember.My wife and daughter were there last year visiting relatives.
 
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skilbeck

Well-Known Member
Arabmariner said:
skilbeck said:
i meant infestation, least when i move to Scotland for a season or two i dont have to live in Glasgow, I can still support the Celts and there will be others like me out there
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Actually Glasgows  a really nice city now I believe......has become quite trendy which is a far cry from the place I remember.My wife and daughter were there last year visiting relatives.
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I hate cities though, do you know of any Celtic friendly places somewhere thats a little less developed?
 
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Arabmariner

Well-Known Member
skilbeck said:
Arabmariner said:
skilbeck said:
i meant infestation, least when i move to Scotland for a season or two i dont have to live in Glasgow, I can still support the Celts and there will be others like me out there
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Actually Glasgows  a really nice city now I believe......has become quite trendy which is a far cry from the place I remember.My wife and daughter were there last year visiting relatives.
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I hate cities though, do you know of any Celtic friendly places somewhere thats a little less developed?
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There are Celtic and Rangers supporters all over the place.Not sure that I could advise of a Celtic friendly or otherwise place.
You say you don't like cities but remember apart from Glasgow and Edinburgh the next biggest city is Dundee whose population is only about 200,000....a big village really.
My wife doesn't come from there but she did her nurses training there and loved living there.There is a pretty big student population.Ninewells hospital where she trained was the biggest training hospital in Europe at that time.Had a really good pub scene aswell.I believe it still does.
There are plenty of nice little villages etc within easy travelling distance of major centres but I have no idea how easy it would be to get accomodation.
When are you thinking of heading over there?
 
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skilbeck

Well-Known Member
Arabmariner said:
skilbeck said:
Arabmariner said:
skilbeck said:
i meant infestation, least when i move to Scotland for a season or two i dont have to live in Glasgow, I can still support the Celts and there will be others like me out there
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Actually Glasgows  a really nice city now I believe......has become quite trendy which is a far cry from the place I remember.My wife and daughter were there last year visiting relatives.
Click to expand...

I hate cities though, do you know of any Celtic friendly places somewhere thats a little less developed?
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There are Celtic and Rangers supporters all over the place.Not sure that I could advise of a Celtic friendly or otherwise place.
You say you don't like cities but remember apart from Glasgow and Edinburgh the next biggest city is Dundee whose population is only about 200,000....a big village really.
My wife doesn't come from there but she did her nurses training there and loved living there.There is a pretty big student population.Ninewells hospital where she trained was the biggest training hospital in Europe at that time.Had a really good pub scene aswell.I believe it still does.
There are plenty of nice little villages etc within easy travelling distance of major centres but I have no idea how easy it would be to get accomodation.
When are you thinking of heading over there?
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if i get an engineering job next year when i (hopefully) graduate, i will go over in 2011 for about 1 year to all of Europe but mostly UK, and Ireland. If I can get a working visa (of which im ineligible to work in Europe :( ) I might stay for longer perhaps even bordering on indefinitely if i like it, a few places come to mind for me to move to: Aberdeen is the centre of the European Oil Industry and I am a process engineer so lots of jobs there, But im sure there is quite a bit of processing industry in Glasgow, Edinburgh or even northern England.
 
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Arabmariner

Well-Known Member
skilbeck said:
Arabmariner said:
skilbeck said:
Arabmariner said:
skilbeck said:
i meant infestation, least when i move to Scotland for a season or two i dont have to live in Glasgow, I can still support the Celts and there will be others like me out there
Click to expand...
Actually Glasgows  a really nice city now I believe......has become quite trendy which is a far cry from the place I remember.My wife and daughter were there last year visiting relatives.
Click to expand...

I hate cities though, do you know of any Celtic friendly places somewhere thats a little less developed?
Click to expand...
There are Celtic and Rangers supporters all over the place.Not sure that I could advise of a Celtic friendly or otherwise place.
You say you don't like cities but remember apart from Glasgow and Edinburgh the next biggest city is Dundee whose population is only about 200,000....a big village really.
My wife doesn't come from there but she did her nurses training there and loved living there.There is a pretty big student population.Ninewells hospital where she trained was the biggest training hospital in Europe at that time.Had a really good pub scene aswell.I believe it still does.
There are plenty of nice little villages etc within easy travelling distance of major centres but I have no idea how easy it would be to get accomodation.
When are you thinking of heading over there?
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if i get an engineering job next year when i (hopefully) graduate, i will go over in 2011 for about 1 year to all of Europe but mostly UK, and Ireland. If I can get a working visa (of which im ineligible to work in Europe :( ) I might stay for longer perhaps even bordering on indefinitely if i like it, a few places come to mind for me to move to: Aberdeen is the centre of the European Oil Industry and I am a process engineer so lots of jobs there, But im sure there is quite a bit of processing industry in Glasgow, Edinburgh or even northern England.
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Aberdeen isn't a bad place despite the sheepshagger population.Perth is another nice place.Don't know about the work thing though.The perthshire countryside is beautiful though.My grandad was a perthshire farmer so I spent a lot of time there as a kid.
Did you see my post about Scotland possibly stepping in to replace Poland and Ukraine for EURO 2012?Probably won't happen but if it did you could be in the right place at the right time!
 
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skilbeck

Well-Known Member
that would be awesome, scotland/ireland or northern ireland would be a good combination if thats how we are doing things these days
 
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Arabmariner

Well-Known Member
skilbeck said:
that would be awesome, scotland/ireland or northern ireland would be a good combination if thats how we are doing things these days
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Scotland and Eire did bid for EURO 2008 as a joint bid but Scotland are looking at doing this on their own if it gets taken away from Poland/Ukraine.
Aberdeen and Dundee/DUFC would get new stadiums built and there would need to be another two new or redeveloped stadiums.
Thinking ahead I was thinking about joining the official Scotland travel club so I had a chance of tickets if it did happen.
 
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skilbeck

Well-Known Member
Arabmariner said:
skilbeck said:
that would be awesome, scotland/ireland or northern ireland would be a good combination if thats how we are doing things these days
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Scotland and Eire did bid for EURO 2008 as a joint bid but Scotland are looking at doing this on their own if it gets taken away from Poland/Ukraine.
Aberdeen and Dundee/DUFC would get new stadiums built and there would need to be another two new or redeveloped stadiums.
Thinking ahead I was thinking about joining the official Scotland travel club so I had a chance of tickets if it did happen.
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well scotland has:
Hampden Park - Glasgow (Final Venue)
Parkhead - Glasgow
Ibrox Stadium - Glasgow
Murrayfield - Edinburgh
Tynecastle (redeveloped) - Edinburgh
Easter Road (reveloped) - Edinburgh
Pittodrie (redeveloped) - Aberdeen
Tannardice (redeveloped) - Dundee
Rugby Park (redeveloped) - Kilmarnock
Fir Park (redeveloped) - Motherwell

The last two were scraping the barrel and anymore would be further scraping the barrel and I dont know the limit of stadiums in one city
 
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Arabmariner

Well-Known Member
skilbeck said:
Arabmariner said:
skilbeck said:
that would be awesome, scotland/ireland or northern ireland would be a good combination if thats how we are doing things these days
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Scotland and Eire did bid for EURO 2008 as a joint bid but Scotland are looking at doing this on their own if it gets taken away from Poland/Ukraine.
Aberdeen and Dundee/DUFC would get new stadiums built and there would need to be another two new or redeveloped stadiums.
Thinking ahead I was thinking about joining the official Scotland travel club so I had a chance of tickets if it did happen.
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well scotland has:
Hampden Park - Glasgow (Final Venue)
Parkhead - Glasgow
Ibrox Stadium - Glasgow
Murrayfield - Edinburgh
Tynecastle (redeveloped) - Edinburgh
Easter Road (reveloped) - Edinburgh
Pittodrie (redeveloped) - Aberdeen
Tannardice (redeveloped) - Dundee
Rugby Park (redeveloped) - Kilmarnock
Fir Park (redeveloped) - Motherwell

The last two were scraping the barrel and anymore would be further scraping the barrel and I dont know the limit of stadiums in one city
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They are talking Hampden,Parkhead,Ibrox,Murrayfield,New Aberdeen stadium,New Dundee stadium(shared after by the 2 Dundee clubs) and two others.Minimum capacity required is 30,000.
 
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skilbeck

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well they arent exactly going to put 30k stadium out in Inverness thats only 10k people less than the population Dunfermline might get a look and and so might Perth but you really need to share with Ireland on a future bid
 
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Arabmariner

Well-Known Member
skilbeck said:
well they arent exactly going to put 30k stadium out in Inverness thats only 10k people less than the population Dunfermline might get a look and and so might Perth but you really need to share with Ireland on a future bid
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I agree with you there.I have no idea where else they are thinking of playing games.Of course it's all pie in the sky at the moment anyway until a decision is made on Poland/Ukraine.
 
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skilbeck

Well-Known Member
on a different note I butchered "Billy Boys" to make it Mariners friendly. More of my way of honoring Lawrie and Fergie :p
 
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skilbeck

Well-Known Member
so here are the fixtures:



2007-2008 Scottish football fixturesFull list of all the English fixtures

SPL Scots Div 1 Scots Div 2 Scots Div 3 Club-by-club
Please note: Fixtures are subject to change. The BBC is not responsible for any changes that may be made.

Saturday, 09 August 2008
Aberdeen v Inverness CT, 15:00
Falkirk v Rangers, 12:30
Hearts v Motherwell, 15:00
Kilmarnock v Hibernian, 15:00

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Sunday, 10 August 2008
Celtic v St Mirren, 12:30

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Monday, 11 August 2008
Hamilton v Dundee Utd, 19:45

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Saturday, 16 August 2008
Dundee Utd v Celtic, 15:00
Hibernian v Falkirk, 15:00
Inverness CT v Hamilton, 15:00
Motherwell v Aberdeen, 15:00
Rangers v Hearts, 15:00
St Mirren v Kilmarnock, 15:00

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Saturday, 23 August 2008
Aberdeen v Rangers, 15:00
Celtic v Falkirk, 15:00
Hearts v St Mirren, 15:00
Inverness CT v Hibernian, 15:00
Kilmarnock v Hamilton, 15:00
Motherwell v Dundee Utd, 15:00

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Saturday, 30 August 2008
Celtic v Rangers, 15:00
Dundee Utd v Kilmarnock, 15:00
Falkirk v Inverness CT, 15:00
Hamilton v Hearts, 15:00
Hibernian v Motherwell, 15:00
St Mirren v Aberdeen, 15:00

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Saturday, 13 September 2008
Aberdeen v Hamilton, 15:00
Falkirk v Hearts, 15:00
Hibernian v Dundee Utd, 15:00
Inverness CT v St Mirren, 15:00
Motherwell v Celtic, 15:00
Rangers v Kilmarnock, 15:00

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Saturday, 20 September 2008
Aberdeen v Dundee Utd, 15:00
Hamilton v Hibernian, 15:00
Hearts v Inverness CT, 15:00
Kilmarnock v Celtic, 15:00
St Mirren v Falkirk, 15:00

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Sunday, 21 September 2008
Rangers v Motherwell, 15:00

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Saturday, 27 September 2008
Celtic v Aberdeen, 15:00
Dundee Utd v Hearts, 15:00
Falkirk v Hamilton, 15:00
Hibernian v Rangers, 15:00
Inverness CT v Kilmarnock, 15:00
Motherwell v St Mirren, 15:00

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Saturday, 04 October 2008
Aberdeen v Hibernian, 15:00
Celtic v Hamilton, 15:00
Dundee Utd v Inverness CT, 15:00
Hearts v Kilmarnock, 15:00
St Mirren v Rangers, 15:00

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Sunday, 05 October 2008
Motherwell v Falkirk, 15:00

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Saturday, 18 October 2008
Falkirk v Aberdeen, 15:00
Hamilton v St Mirren, 15:00
Hibernian v Hearts, 15:00
Inverness CT v Celtic, 15:00
Kilmarnock v Motherwell, 15:00
Rangers v Dundee Utd, 15:00

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Saturday, 25 October 2008
Celtic v Hibernian, 15:00
Dundee Utd v St Mirren, 15:00
Hamilton v Rangers, 15:00
Hearts v Aberdeen, 15:00
Inverness CT v Motherwell, 15:00
Kilmarnock v Falkirk, 15:00

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Saturday, 01 November 2008
Aberdeen v Kilmarnock, 15:00
Falkirk v Dundee Utd, 15:00
Hearts v Celtic, 15:00
Motherwell v Hamilton, 15:00
Rangers v Inverness CT, 15:00
St Mirren v Hibernian, 15:00

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Saturday, 08 November 2008
Celtic v Motherwell, 15:00
Dundee Utd v Aberdeen, 15:00
Hamilton v Falkirk, 15:00
Hibernian v Inverness CT, 15:00
Kilmarnock v Rangers, 15:00
St Mirren v Hearts, 15:00

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Wednesday, 12 November 2008
Aberdeen v St Mirren, 19:45
Celtic v Kilmarnock, 19:45
Dundee Utd v Hibernian, 19:45
Hearts v Hamilton, 19:45
Inverness CT v Falkirk, 19:45
Motherwell v Rangers, 19:45

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Saturday, 15 November 2008
Falkirk v Motherwell, 15:00
Hamilton v Celtic, 15:00
Hibernian v Aberdeen, 15:00
Inverness CT v Hearts, 15:00
Kilmarnock v Dundee Utd, 15:00
Rangers v St Mirren, 15:00

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Saturday, 22 November 2008
Dundee Utd v Hamilton, 15:00
Hearts v Falkirk, 15:00
Kilmarnock v Inverness CT, 15:00
Motherwell v Hibernian, 15:00
Rangers v Aberdeen, 15:00
St Mirren v Celtic, 15:00

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Saturday, 29 November 2008
Aberdeen v Motherwell, 15:00
Celtic v Inverness CT, 15:00
Falkirk v Hibernian, 15:00
Hamilton v Kilmarnock, 15:00
Hearts v Rangers, 15:00
St Mirren v Dundee Utd, 15:00

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Saturday, 06 December 2008
Falkirk v St Mirren, 15:00
Hibernian v Celtic, 15:00
Inverness CT v Dundee Utd, 15:00
Kilmarnock v Aberdeen, 15:00
Motherwell v Hearts, 15:00
Rangers v Hamilton, 15:00

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Saturday, 13 December 2008
Aberdeen v Falkirk, 15:00
Celtic v Hearts, 15:00
Dundee Utd v Rangers, 15:00
Hibernian v Hamilton, 15:00
Motherwell v Kilmarnock, 15:00
St Mirren v Inverness CT, 15:00

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Saturday, 20 December 2008
Falkirk v Celtic, 15:00
Hamilton v Motherwell, 15:00
Hearts v Dundee Utd, 15:00
Inverness CT v Aberdeen, 15:00
Kilmarnock v St Mirren, 15:00
Rangers v Hibernian, 15:00

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Saturday, 27 December 2008
Aberdeen v Hearts, 15:00
Dundee Utd v Falkirk, 15:00
Hibernian v Kilmarnock, 15:00
Motherwell v Inverness CT, 15:00
Rangers v Celtic, 15:00
St Mirren v Hamilton, 15:00

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Saturday, 03 January 2009
Celtic v Dundee Utd, 15:00
Falkirk v Kilmarnock, 15:00
Hamilton v Aberdeen, 15:00
Hearts v Hibernian, 15:00
Inverness CT v Rangers, 15:00
St Mirren v Motherwell, 15:00

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Saturday, 17 January 2009
Aberdeen v Celtic, 15:00
Dundee Utd v Motherwell, 15:00
Hamilton v Inverness CT, 15:00
Hibernian v St Mirren, 15:00
Kilmarnock v Hearts, 15:00
Rangers v Falkirk, 15:00

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Saturday, 24 January 2009
Aberdeen v Rangers, 15:00
Celtic v Hibernian, 15:00
Dundee Utd v St Mirren, 15:00
Hearts v Inverness CT, 15:00
Kilmarnock v Hamilton, 15:00
Motherwell v Falkirk, 15:00

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Saturday, 31 January 2009
Falkirk v Aberdeen, 15:00
Hamilton v Hearts, 15:00
Hibernian v Motherwell, 15:00
Inverness CT v Celtic, 15:00
Rangers v Dundee Utd, 15:00
St Mirren v Kilmarnock, 15:00

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Saturday, 14 February 2009
Celtic v Rangers, 15:00
Dundee Utd v Inverness CT, 15:00
Hearts v Aberdeen, 15:00
Kilmarnock v Hibernian, 15:00
Motherwell v Hamilton, 15:00
St Mirren v Falkirk, 15:00

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Saturday, 21 February 2009
Aberdeen v Dundee Utd, 15:00
Falkirk v Hamilton, 15:00
Hearts v St Mirren, 15:00
Inverness CT v Hibernian, 15:00
Motherwell v Celtic, 15:00
Rangers v Kilmarnock, 15:00

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Saturday, 28 February 2009
Aberdeen v Kilmarnock, 15:00
Celtic v St Mirren, 15:00
Dundee Utd v Hearts, 15:00
Hamilton v Rangers, 15:00
Hibernian v Falkirk, 15:00
Inverness CT v Motherwell, 15:00

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Wednesday, 04 March 2009
Falkirk v Dundee Utd, 19:45
Hamilton v Hibernian, 19:45
Hearts v Motherwell, 19:45
Kilmarnock v Celtic, 19:45
Rangers v Inverness CT, 19:45
St Mirren v Aberdeen, 19:45

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Saturday, 14 March 2009
Aberdeen v Hamilton, 15:00
Celtic v Falkirk, 15:00
Hibernian v Hearts, 15:00
Inverness CT v Kilmarnock, 15:00
Motherwell v Dundee Utd, 15:00
St Mirren v Rangers, 15:00

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Saturday, 21 March 2009
Dundee Utd v Celtic, 15:00
Falkirk v Inverness CT, 15:00
Hamilton v St Mirren, 15:00
Hibernian v Aberdeen, 15:00
Kilmarnock v Motherwell, 15:00
Rangers v Hearts, 15:00

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Saturday, 04 April 2009
Celtic v Hamilton, 15:00
Dundee Utd v Hibernian, 15:00
Falkirk v Rangers, 15:00
Hearts v Kilmarnock, 15:00
Inverness CT v St Mirren, 15:00
Motherwell v Aberdeen, 15:00

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Saturday, 11 April 2009
Aberdeen v Inverness CT, 15:00
Hamilton v Dundee Utd, 15:00
Hearts v Celtic, 15:00
Kilmarnock v Falkirk, 15:00
Rangers v Motherwell, 15:00
St Mirren v Hibernian, 15:00

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Saturday, 18 April 2009
Celtic v Aberdeen, 15:00
Dundee Utd v Kilmarnock, 15:00
Falkirk v Hearts, 15:00
Hibernian v Rangers, 15:00
Inverness CT v Hamilton, 15:00
Motherwell v St Mirren, 15:00
 
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skilbeck

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So St Mirren is first to meet their doom and second on the chopping block is Dundee United. Good luck.

I guess its better to get the pain over and done with early on in the season isnt it arab? :p
 
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