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Round 14 v Meow

marinermick

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ryan said:
I think Heff will be back in fairly soon. He did quite well in youth and hit the post with a header. Also made some good forward runs in the first half. He played the first half in midfield and switched to fullback in the second.

i would have him in next week but am fearful because it is almost the identical game as one year ago

v sydney at bluetongue just before chrissy
 

Wombat

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scottmac said:
With Heff back soon, what would the backline be?

I'd go for

Boogs  Bojic  Wilko  Heff

Thats wher Boogs played while Viddy was in am i right? Also when our defence was at its strongest.

That is a good back four.  Boogs or Wilko are interchangeable at RB.

I thought Porter was poor last night. I had him in my starting 11 (overlooking that he is shit defensively) because he gives us good attacking options. Last night he never really over-lapped and his passing and crossing was bad.
 

Kareem

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Auburn Mariner said:
Kareem, you are absolutely INCORRECT in relation to Sergio's free kick.
ok now please have a good long look at freekick
it was actually worse than i thought now that I looked on youtube (thanks for helping to convince me ;))
No GK in the world could have saved it from where Danny was standing
If danny was in a better spot he might have had a chance- probably not but who knows?
now look at this youtube clip at 1:10
http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=gndkSsUg36I
now we see danny at about 60% to the right side of the goals
now GK's should be maybe 40% to the right in that freekick (ie. closer to left side) ie. vukovic should have 1-1.25m over to his right (our left)
even if he was it may have gone in as it was a bottom corner shot- but the way danny was- he didnt even get near it

Now when I amde the comment I was under impression Vukoivc was 50% ie. in the middle of the goals- but u can clearly see in 1:10 he was further than that which is piointless when u have a perfectly good wall there!
 

marinermick

Well-Known Member
jaypee said:
Speaking of Yoof game -  Greg Owens also looked good. Would like him back soon

he had his swagger back last night

has been easing his way back through yoof but last night he was one of the best

as for porter - he couldn't get forward enough last night because he had the job of marking matt mckay

did a fantastic job of curtailing one of the best midfielders in the competition (did mckay do anything last night?) but this hampered his attacking game

even so i do remember him putting in at least four or five quality crosses
 

Kareem

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oh and btw- its imperitive to danny's devlopment regardless
if he had this positioning 100% and etc. he would be playing EPL not A-league- I have confidence in im to believe he will continue to improve into one of the greatest keepers Australia has ever produced
BUT if I was Danny or heck John Crawley and we sat down today to work out on areas that he could improve in his game (as I would hope Danny does every game???) then this is something to consider- unless ofcourse Danny is satisfied being a HAL Gk and 3-rd-4th choice for Socceroos (which I belive + hope he is not as he is a contender post-Schwarzer era)
 

fedelta

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Kareem said:
Auburn Mariner said:
Kareem, you are absolutely INCORRECT in relation to Sergio's free kick.
ok now please have a good long look at freekick
it was actually worse than i thought now that I looked on youtube (thanks for helping to convince me ;))
No GK in the world could have saved it from where Danny was standing
If danny was in a better spot he might have had a chance- probably not but who knows?
now look at this youtube clip at 1:10
http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=gndkSsUg36I
now we see danny at about 60% to the right side of the goals
now GK's should be maybe 40% to the right in that freekick (ie. closer to left side) ie. vukovic should have 1-1.25m over to his right (our left)
even if he was it may have gone in as it was a bottom corner shot- but the way danny was- he didnt even get near it

Now when I amde the comment I was under impression Vukoivc was 50% ie. in the middle of the goals- but u can clearly see in 1:10 he was further than that which is piointless when u have a perfectly good wall there!

could you do better?
 

Wombat

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I thought the crowd would be bigger but the atmosphere was pretty good and even the stands had a bit of a chant in the second half.

My opinions:

Danny....good game nothing much could have been done against a world class free kick.
D'Appuzzo..wasn't too bad. Thats the best i've seen him play in his 3 games.
Wilko...good game, looking more confident now.
Bojic...MOM...top game.
Porter...poor game. Passing poor and did not attack enough.

Hutcho...average but could have won us the game
Osman...disgraceful lack of effort.
Caceras...not bad, the only middie that wanted to attack
Jedi...worked hard and put himself about but please Jedi a simple ball to feet is all that is required

Sasho...bad game
Macca..average at best

We really missed Simon but improved alot once Nik came on.

Gumps was superb not only with his movement and directness but he appears to be only of the only players that passes the ball to his team-mates feet.
 

marinermick

Well-Known Member
Kareem said:
Auburn Mariner said:
Kareem, you are absolutely INCORRECT in relation to Sergio's free kick.
ok now please have a good long look at freekick
it was actually worse than i thought now that I looked on youtube (thanks for helping to convince me ;))
No GK in the world could have saved it from where Danny was standing
If danny was in a better spot he might have had a chance- probably not but who knows?
now look at this youtube clip at 1:10
http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=gndkSsUg36I
now we see danny at about 60% to the right side of the goals
now GK's should be maybe 40% to the right in that freekick (ie. closer to left side) ie. vukovic should have 1-1.25m over to his right (our left)
even if he was it may have gone in as it was a bottom corner shot- but the way danny was- he didnt even get near it

Now when I amde the comment I was under impression Vukoivc was 50% ie. in the middle of the goals- but u can clearly see in 1:10 he was further than that which is piointless when u have a perfectly good wall there!

Kareem, you are quite wrong and I will tell you why:

1. You cannot actually see where Danny is standing during the freekick because he is not shown until a second or so after the freekick was given to Van Djyk
2. the wall is redundant because it is not a direct freekick
3. Danny appears to be moving to left as the shot was hit by van Djyk. This leads me to believe that Danny was in the correct position but adjusted towards the middle of the goals as the ball was laid square and towards the middle
4. The ball swerves and dips viciously in the opposite direct that danny is making his adjustment so to save this ball would be virtually impossible
5. Danny was also obstructed by D'Apuzzo closing down the ball which would have gave him less time to reacte, and finally
6. If that was FIFA09 it would have been a DIRECT shot and everything you said would have been correct but this is real football and that was an INDIRECT shot, changing the dynamics considerably
 

Kareem

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lol I would not be able to do better per se
maybe I would have stood at the right position (then again maybe not)
but I can guarantee you that I would have spilled the ball even if it was shot right at me- I am Kalac's (of the 06 World Cup) long lost son :p

but none of us here can do better than mariners players
as much as we hate even the worst players to have played for mariners eg. trott, mcmaster, McAndrew- they are still way better than anyone on here- and we still have the right to complain
anyway refer to my latest comment (on top of page 6) as I thought that would clarify my POV
 

Kareem

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1 +3= judging from body movement (+ memory from being there live) he only would have taken a side step to the left at most
2. indirect freekick walls still have a part to play- and iof that was the reason for Danny's positioning than I dont like it
4+5= I dont blame Danny for either- thats why I said any GK in that positioning would have let it in even Buffon- I argue that maybe those GK's would have positioned themselves better- thats all- so I agree with u for 4+5

6- I wish I didnt talk about fifa- it was a STUPID joke and I apologise for confusing peopel on here. I was justing saying tongue in cheek that that's where I put my GK on freekicks so I shouldnt tlk. It had no relation to my argument wat so ever
 

georgemladenov

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offtheball said:
Hopefully Lawrie will swallow his pride and start Gumps.

Osman should take an early plane.

The pitch was obviously tailor made for the half time entertainment. CCF demo of small sided games so the pitch had to resemble Pluim 1.

How did Sasho miss the point blank header.

How did Heff go in the youth?

Biggest BAD of the day was that imbecile on the PA. Will some one tell him the microphone means he doesn't have to scream and he should know who we are playing.

That PA guy needs to learn that you dont "kick" goals in football, but "score" them. This has been annoying me since our first home game. A proper pronunciation of "yell-ow" (rather than "YALL-AHH") and the correct name of the opposition team wouldn't go astray either.

Was I the only one who walked out of the stadium feeling like it was a win? Fine, that first half was an utter disaster, but we launched wave after wave of attack from the 50th minute onwards, and when the final whistle blew I was disappointed the entertainment was over. Realistically, this was a must-not-lose game, otherwise QLD would've pushed 4 ahead of us.

Our clear lack of width in the first half was the most disappointing aspect for me. Hutchinson is simply too slow to play in a left sided role, and his roll over and hit the turf act for a free kick hasn't been working with the referees this season. The fact that D'Appuzzo, who personally I dont think is an A-League level player and it showed last night, was paired on the left with Hutcho, really made us vulnerable to Minniecon's pace. Osman was equally as non-existant on the right of Jedinak, which meant that we were pumping long balls to Sash and Dylan, neither which are the type of pacey striker to thrive off such a tactic (as compared to Matty Simon).

Gumprecht coming on in that wide right role totally changed the game in our favour and our second half domination highlighted how important some width is to our success.
 

marinermick

Well-Known Member
Well, he had to be moving to his left to adjust for the ball being played in towards the middle and therefore cover his near post. Given that momentum was taking him left, he would have been obstructed from D'Apuzzo, and that the ball was swerving so viciously to his right, I cannot see how he could have saved this freekick.

I thought his positioning was fine and just beaten by a world class strike.

If he would have been beaten near post then people would have still been up in arms.
 

scottmac

Suspended
marinermick said:
Well, he had to be moving to his left to adjust for the ball being played in towards the middle and therefore cover his near post. Given that momentum was taking him left, he would have been obstructed from D'Apuzzo, and that the ball was swerving so viciously to his right, I cannot see how he could have saved this freekick.

I thought his positioning was fine and just beaten by a world class strike.

If he would have been beaten near post then people would have still been up in arms.

If Danny was a lazy keeper he would have saved that one. But as you point out mm he did exactly the right thing once ball was laid off, just brilliant (if not flukey) free kick.
 

Jesus

Jesus
Good goals in the game last night. I thought that the passing from the mariners, especially in the first half was awful, Jedi was well off his usual slick passing game. Fortunately that picked up in the 2nd half.

I really think we need to play with 3 up front. The last 2 games despite the extra midfielder we have been smashed in the midfield for the majority of the games.

So many lapse passes in the first half, in the defencive 3rd, offensive 3rd, middle of the park, did not matter where.
 

jaypee

Well-Known Member
Wombat said:
I thought the crowd would be bigger but the atmosphere was pretty good and even the stands had a bit of a chant in the second half.

My opinions:

Danny....good game nothing much could have been done against a world class free kick.
D'Appuzzo..wasn't too bad. Thats the best i've seen him play in his 3 games.
Wilko...good game, looking more confident now.
Bojic...MOM...top game.
Porter...poor game. Passing poor and did not attack enough.

Hutcho...average but could have won us the game
Osman...disgraceful lack of effort.
Caceras...not bad, the only middie that wanted to attack
Jedi...worked hard and put himself about but please Jedi a simple ball to feet is all that is required

Sasho...bad game
Macca..average at best

We really missed Simon but improved alot once Nik came on.

Gumps was superb not only with his movement and directness but he appears to be only of the only players that passes the ball to his team-mates feet.

Wombat - I think the reason Porter didn't overlap etc was he was marking McKay so closely and the fact is he did that well. As we didn't play 4-3-3 it wasn't such an issue, A midfielder should push up as we had 4 of them (ok Hutch played the position......)

Sash was poor - he must have stitched up his contract for next year already....
 

Ursus

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From my view, where you can see the game.

The team has forgotten how to play 4 4 2. We were shit until we switched to 4 3 3 (or 4 2 4).

When sash has an off day it is truly bad. (I wonder what is going on there, maybe trying too hard after the spell on the bench.)

I am beginning to accept Porter as RB, Pedj MOM, Wilko coming back, D'Appuzo not yet ready.

Midfield was totally disorganised. No one really knew what they were doing. This led to a lot of frustration.

After being promoted to the western touchline, I think Sarah will find herself back with the sun in her eyes in future.

Worse game I have watched for the first 70 mins. We were lucky Qld were shit.
 

Brighty

Well-Known Member
jaypee said:
Sash was poor - he must have stitched up his contract for next year already....

Sash was poor??? WTF.... i never seen him do anything right throughout the whole game... didn't pass when should have, when he did, it never hit the mark and usually going straight to the opposition... offsides, another story all together... and did he have a shot all night??
I honestly thought McKinna woulda pulled him off, but then who woulda replaced him??

As said... I think Gumps has earned a start against Syd this coming weekend!!! The game changed dramatically once he came on.
 

jaypee

Well-Known Member
Brighty said:
jaypee said:
Sash was poor - he must have stitched up his contract for next year already....

Sash was poor??? WTF.... i never seen him do anything right throughout the whole game... didn't pass when should have, when he did, it never hit the mark and usually going straight to the opposition... offsides, another story all together... and did he have a shot all night??
I honestly thought McKinna woulda pulled him off, but then who woulda replaced him??

As said... I think Gumps has earned a start against Syd this coming weekend!!! The game changed dramatically once he came on.

Poor was being kind.....
 

Paolo

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BAD BULLZ said:
Biggest disgrace of the game was whoever threw the cracker thing at the ballboy after the goal f**k your lucky auburn wasnt 100% sure who it was you would have been eaten.
i saw the culprit and took a picture...please pm for the picture of the culprit and we will organise a vigilante response
 

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