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bikinigirl

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I'd guess (without much fear of contradiction) that the other sports were more likely to get more viewers. Viewing numbers -> programming decisions. Small viewership = punted off to the back-channels.

I've been following football a long time, but football fans' capacity to get worked up about very simple commercial realities never ceases to amaze me.

. i'm not bothered by the 'commercial realities' ... it's the fact that (from what i understand) fox set the bloody schedule that shits me. if the viewing numbers aren't there for that timeslot, don't schedule the game then

. if that was their attempt to get me to pay for fox (by not having it available in public houses) then it has failed miserably. even if i could afford it - i couldn't bring myself to pay them
 

yellowcake

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Should we progress, it would be very tight for getting home from Hiroshima after playing on Wednesday night to back up on Friday (Anzac Day) at Parramatta, so would mercy be shown and give us Sunday again?
Apparently not :fireup:
Excuse me for quoting myself but found this: http://www.footballaustralia.com.au...lay/finals-series-ticketing-information/89492

So, we get through next week and need something in Hiroshima to progress in the ACL. Which one does Mossy throw? :(
 

bikinigirl

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Not blaming the Catho mate...they tried...I wholly and solely blame those fkn cretins at Foxtel

. i share your pain recky, same deal at the kinky pub ... with a couple of groups continually questioning the management - nobody could believe it was not 'on'. by the time i had given up on seeing it, we were up two-nil so spent the next 1.5hrs driving around the coast listening to the boys on coast fm

. if these sort of clashes are unavoidable :piralaugh: then the broadcasting deal should stipulate that the game has to be offered to the FTA carrier ... afterall its not like they are going to lose any viewers (apparently)
 

Atomic

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. i share your pain recky, same deal at the kinky pub ... with a couple of groups continually questioning the management - nobody could believe it was not 'on'. by the time i had given up on seeing it, we were up two-nil so spent the next 1.5hrs driving around the coast listening to the boys on coast fm

I love your devotion BK :pirashoot:
 

bikinigirl

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. this may be better discussed elsewhere, but it seems to be running through this thread. the way i see things according to the information available on the FFA's schedule (assuming things stay as they are and we win our games):

  • we play on wednesday
  • we then play on good friday as hosts ... if you guys are telling me our ground is not available then perhaps we play at our much loved spiritual home of NSO (or perhaps brookvale). more likely that our opponents will be 'granted' hosting rights
  • we then play away on the wednesday (in japan)
  • and wanderers play host on sunday ... i think the FFA will move this to a larger 'neutral' venue too
  • then we all need to decide if we can get to brisbane the following sunday (bearing in mind work commitments and emotional baggage) ... alternatively we would be sent to melbourne despite the finishing order and hard fought hosting 'rights'
. CCS may never be granted hosting responsibilities for a GF ... our only possibilities would be opponents from perth, wellington or adelaide - but that is doubtful in any case
 

bikinigirl

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I love your devotion BK :pirashoot:

. don't give me too much credit ... i still feel some responsibility for us finishing as low as third

. i rarely miss a mariners game (live at home or on the telly for away games) but unfortunately missed two this season. i don't know if i was lucky or to blame ... our big loss to adelaide and last week's game against perth were the two i didn't see

. i had almost convinced myself (having made the effort, but ultimately not being able to see the game) that the boys were gonna reward me and score 10 last night to put us in second ... alas, it was not to be
 

dibo

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. i'm not bothered by the 'commercial realities' ... it's the fact that (from what i understand) fox set the bloody schedule that shits me. if the viewing numbers aren't there for that timeslot, don't schedule the game then

. if that was their attempt to get me to pay for fox (by not having it available in public houses) then it has failed miserably. even if i could afford it - i couldn't bring myself to pay them
To avoid clashes, we'd be playing on Sunday, Tuesday, Wednesday or Thursday nights and Fox would probably be quite happy with that, but it's just not practical. FFA would say what available timeslots there are (based on when they can get a crowd in the ground):
Fri: 7:30pm - this is the one 'fixed' time, and it's fixed because we've got the Fox/SBS simulcast.
Sat: 3:30pm (5:30pm in Wellington), 5:30pm, 7:45pm, 9:45pm (6:45pm in Perth).
Sun: 3:30pm (5:30pm in Wellington), 5:30pm, 7:30pm (4:30pm in Perth).

They've got five games to play every week and they work them into the slots based on venue availability as much as anything. Given that in this cross-over period, Fox is trying to cover:
  • at least two rugby games each Fridays and at least three on Saturdays plus
  • three NRL games on Saturday and two on Sunday *plus* an AFL game on Friday plus
  • three or four AFL games on both Saturday and Sunday
...it's a bitch of a job to try to cover every game.

Back in the day, they'd just not cover the game at all. I remember in particular a game between us and NZ Knights in August of season 1 - I was in Canberra for a conference that weekend and couldn't find anyone to show the game because it simply wasn't on. I still don't think I've ever seen a second of footage from that game, which is nevertheless memorable because we had the dubious distinction of giving NZK their only win of the season that night.

FWIW, if we expand to 14 teams (for example) we'll wind up having to find homes for 7 games a week, and then we'd have to deal with viewers' choice and so on, meaning you're equally unlikely to see the game you want to see...
 

Roy Law

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The Professionals
This was the consummate professional performance; the most professional display by the Mariners since the Grand Final. They had a game plan and stuck to it; they out thought and out played Brisbane. Brisbane had all the game, and none of it. They had all the possession but it was the Mariners who had seven shots on target to Brisbane’s one.
Outstanding teams have a swagger about them: they walk into the cauldron of hate, looking the opponents in the eye, daring them to come at them. There is no doubt that the experience of playing in the ACL has given the Mariners the necessary steel. They marched on to Suncorp, set up their fortress, and with Nick Montgomery roaming the battlements, dared Brisbane.
Phil Moss had left out Hutchinson, Simon and Kim and fielded a very young forward line of Caceres, Trifiro, Ibini, Duke and Fitzgerald with gnarly veterans defending at the back; it meant the Mariners were tough to break down and lethal on the break.
Bosnar signalled the Mariners intent: Bernie went on a typical run, all pace and skill, and some added muscle, before being brought down on the edge of the area. How Theo saved Bosnar’s shot I don’t know – I don’t think he knows either. The shot was so hard it could have broken his wrists; a few centimetres to left or right or higher and Theo would have been picking it out of the net.
Brisbane had started with their ultra possession game, the Mariners working hard to plug the gaps. Bosnar’s free kick lifted the pressure; Bernie and Fitzgerald had shots but Theo was untroubled. Brisbane continued to turn the screw but could not find a way through. Caceres with beautiful skills found Fitzgerald out left but again his shot didn’t trouble Theo; Reddy fumbled a shot from Smith.
The Mariners sprung the siege emphatically in the 21st minute with a lightning fast break: Fitzgerald picked the ball up in midfield, turned to find Ibini whose perfect pass found the fast running Roux; he cut the ball back intelligently and Fitzgerald, backing up, coming from deep, wrong footed Theo placing the ball past him with the outside of his right boot. It was perfect in its execution, lethal in the outcome.
Five minutes later it got even better. Duke’s persistence won a corner, the ball came to Bernie at the far post. He seemed to have taken the soft option by playing the ball back to Caceres; I thought he would have a go himself. Caceres proved me wrong as he took one touch and then fired a rocket beyond the helpless Theo. Boom! Who needs a cannon when you have Anthony Caceres!
Brisbane was still enjoying, if that is the right word, all the possession but it was the Mariners who were enjoying the goals. With Monty ferociously leading the way the Mariners defenders were standing tall. Bernie reminded Brisbane of the danger when he made his way to the by line but couldn’t quite get the cut back.
Brisbane is too good a side to be denied for a whole game and in the 40th minute Mackay played a smart one-two and found Petratos at the far post. It seemed for all money to be a goal but desperate work from Josh Rose was just enough to put him off and he hit the post. Never write off the Mariners!
In the second half a surprising change was made by the Mariners: Brent Griffiths replacing Bosnar who had been magnificent in defence. I can only guess that Bosnar had taken a knock. As we all know, a 2-0 lead to the Mariners at Suncorp is not a safe lead, we have been here before, more than once. Any alarms at Griffiths coming on though, were allayed by an assured display by the young defender.
The Mariners came out of the blocks and almost made it three. Anderson’s brilliant tackle set Roux free and from his cross Fitzgerald, under pressure from North, might have done better.
As Brisbane kept grinding through the possession gears the Mariners young guns kept reminding them how vulnerable they were. Caceres, Trifiro, Fitzgerald and Ibini were not afraid to show off their skills. Ibini had a free kick on target but easy for Theo – but he did easily beat the wall. Duke fired just wide from distance, cutting in from the left. The Mariners were smothering every Brisbane move, determinedly tracking Broich and squeezing out Berisha. Brisbane seemed to have scored however when Reddy spilled a tame shot from Petratos but Berisha was offside as he finished.
Mackay and Broich fired over from distance; no danger to Reddy’s goal.
Duke’s determination again won him the ball, he cleverly found Fitzgerald who fired into the side netting – he should have returned the pass to Duke who would have had an open goal. It was a chance missed, and Duke needs goals.
With twenty minutes to go Caceres, hemmed in by three defenders, seemed likely to cough up possession but he dragged the ball back with the sole of his right boot and wrong footed all of them. If his name was del Pierro it would have been all over YouTube, if his name had been Rogic he would have been in the Socceroos. But his name is Anthony Caceres and he is our little beauty.
The Mariners continued to dare Brisbane, Brisbane could not break them down. Duke came close, Theo having to go full length to a left foot shot, but it didn’t quite have the weight on it to score. Roux in the dying seconds wriggled his way through but over did it and a chance was gone. Berisha grazed the post after an errant Rose header. It didn’t matter: the Mariners had overcome the most severe of challenges and laid down a marker to the competition: they are the Champions! It will take a very good team to take that title off them.
In what was an outstanding team effort, with so many players performing so well, it is difficult to find a Man of the Match. Roux, Rose, Bosnar and Griffiths, Montgomery, Caceres, Ibini, Fitzgerald and Duke can all be considered but my MoM, in a photo finish with Caceres, goes to Nick Montgomery. The fiery grizzled warrior who made sure that Fortress Mariners was not breached by the Roar.
 

VicMariner

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aaaand SFC 2 - PG 1.

Shit! We play Adelaide, not Sydney. Mariners… doing it the hard way as usual :)
Might not be a bad thing. The "easy" game against Perth last week was a loss while the mountain of Roar in their own backyard got the boys firing.
If the boys don't like being favourites Moss now has something to work with.
 

Wombat

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Great performance. Credit to Mossy for dumping the dour and negative gameplan from the first half of the season and empowering his charges to have a red hot go.

Reddy 8. This bloke is great. I can't believe I used to want to chuck bottles at his head when he was a Scummer. His sweeping was brilliant tonight. Getting very close to being our player of the year.
Storm 8. Great game. Defended very well and cut back for Fitzy was class.
Ando 8. Excellent. His best game all year.
Bosnar 8. Also rock solid.
Rose 8. Brilliant covering tackle on Petro kept us in the game. Really good throughout and I'm gonna pretend I didn't see the schoolboy error when he headed back inside.
Bernie 8. Really fulfilling the potential. MUST be resigned.
Monty 9. Like a rapid dog......exactly what I want from my DM. Showed real quality tonight. MOM. Loves the armband and clearly deserves it on match day. I didn't see a single stray pass.
Caceras 8.5. Easily his best game for CCM. Lovely goal. Some great distribution and looked great with the ball at his feet.
Terrifo 7. Good effort. Did very well on his first start.
Duke 8. Brilliant work rate.
Fitz 8.5. Last week he worked harder than everyone else but his thought process let him down. This week he was awesome and his finish was sublime.

Subs.

Really impressed with Sterjovski especially his immediate impact....such quality and composure. Ive always felt this is when we should use him for full impact but you can understand coaches mistakingly wanting to use him for the full 90 due to his quality.

Griff2 was really good....in fact he looked a natural at this level.

Sim was lively.
 

Gratis

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The Professionals
This was the consummate professional performance; the most professional display by the Mariners since the Grand Final. They had a game plan and stuck to it; they out thought and out played Brisbane. Brisbane had all the game, and none of it. They had all the possession but it was the Mariners who had seven shots on target to Brisbane’s one.
Outstanding teams have a swagger about them: they walk into the cauldron of hate, looking the opponents in the eye, daring them to come at them. There is no doubt that the experience of playing in the ACL has given the Mariners the necessary steel. They marched on to Suncorp, set up their fortress, and with Nick Montgomery roaming the battlements, dared Brisbane.
Phil Moss had left out Hutchinson, Simon and Kim and fielded a very young forward line of Caceres, Trifiro, Ibini, Duke and Fitzgerald with gnarly veterans defending at the back; it meant the Mariners were tough to break down and lethal on the break.
Bosnar signalled the Mariners intent: Bernie went on a typical run, all pace and skill, and some added muscle, before being brought down on the edge of the area. How Theo saved Bosnar’s shot I don’t know – I don’t think he knows either. The shot was so hard it could have broken his wrists; a few centimetres to left or right or higher and Theo would have been picking it out of the net.
Brisbane had started with their ultra possession game, the Mariners working hard to plug the gaps. Bosnar’s free kick lifted the pressure; Bernie and Fitzgerald had shots but Theo was untroubled. Brisbane continued to turn the screw but could not find a way through. Caceres with beautiful skills found Fitzgerald out left but again his shot didn’t trouble Theo; Reddy fumbled a shot from Smith.
The Mariners sprung the siege emphatically in the 21st minute with a lightning fast break: Fitzgerald picked the ball up in midfield, turned to find Ibini whose perfect pass found the fast running Roux; he cut the ball back intelligently and Fitzgerald, backing up, coming from deep, wrong footed Theo placing the ball past him with the outside of his right boot. It was perfect in its execution, lethal in the outcome.
Five minutes later it got even better. Duke’s persistence won a corner, the ball came to Bernie at the far post. He seemed to have taken the soft option by playing the ball back to Caceres; I thought he would have a go himself. Caceres proved me wrong as he took one touch and then fired a rocket beyond the helpless Theo. Boom! Who needs a cannon when you have Anthony Caceres!
Brisbane was still enjoying, if that is the right word, all the possession but it was the Mariners who were enjoying the goals. With Monty ferociously leading the way the Mariners defenders were standing tall. Bernie reminded Brisbane of the danger when he made his way to the by line but couldn’t quite get the cut back.
Brisbane is too good a side to be denied for a whole game and in the 40th minute Mackay played a smart one-two and found Petratos at the far post. It seemed for all money to be a goal but desperate work from Josh Rose was just enough to put him off and he hit the post. Never write off the Mariners!
In the second half a surprising change was made by the Mariners: Brent Griffiths replacing Bosnar who had been magnificent in defence. I can only guess that Bosnar had taken a knock. As we all know, a 2-0 lead to the Mariners at Suncorp is not a safe lead, we have been here before, more than once. Any alarms at Griffiths coming on though, were allayed by an assured display by the young defender.
The Mariners came out of the blocks and almost made it three. Anderson’s brilliant tackle set Roux free and from his cross Fitzgerald, under pressure from North, might have done better.
As Brisbane kept grinding through the possession gears the Mariners young guns kept reminding them how vulnerable they were. Caceres, Trifiro, Fitzgerald and Ibini were not afraid to show off their skills. Ibini had a free kick on target but easy for Theo – but he did easily beat the wall. Duke fired just wide from distance, cutting in from the left. The Mariners were smothering every Brisbane move, determinedly tracking Broich and squeezing out Berisha. Brisbane seemed to have scored however when Reddy spilled a tame shot from Petratos but Berisha was offside as he finished.
Mackay and Broich fired over from distance; no danger to Reddy’s goal.
Duke’s determination again won him the ball, he cleverly found Fitzgerald who fired into the side netting – he should have returned the pass to Duke who would have had an open goal. It was a chance missed, and Duke needs goals.
With twenty minutes to go Caceres, hemmed in by three defenders, seemed likely to cough up possession but he dragged the ball back with the sole of his right boot and wrong footed all of them. If his name was del Pierro it would have been all over YouTube, if his name had been Rogic he would have been in the Socceroos. But his name is Anthony Caceres and he is our little beauty.
The Mariners continued to dare Brisbane, Brisbane could not break them down. Duke came close, Theo having to go full length to a left foot shot, but it didn’t quite have the weight on it to score. Roux in the dying seconds wriggled his way through but over did it and a chance was gone. Berisha grazed the post after an errant Rose header. It didn’t matter: the Mariners had overcome the most severe of challenges and laid down a marker to the competition: they are the Champions! It will take a very good team to take that title off them.
In what was an outstanding team effort, with so many players performing so well, it is difficult to find a Man of the Match. Roux, Rose, Bosnar and Griffiths, Montgomery, Caceres, Ibini, Fitzgerald and Duke can all be considered but my MoM, in a photo finish with Caceres, goes to Nick Montgomery. The fiery grizzled warrior who made sure that Fortress Mariners was not breached by the Roar.
Great job again Roy, and with people missing this game in sure it'll be more appreciated than ever
 

Big Al

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A league was on Speed TV last week as well for the 7.30pm game which was WSW vs. Roar for Shinji's last game. So if that game didn't make it to Fox 1,2 or 3 ours was no chance.

Pitty I didn't realise - I'd have let you all peer through the window to watch the game. I don't think you'd have got that game anywhere - Hotels, clubs & pub's packages don't cover those channels.

Ibini is playing awesome however he & Duke are Ferrari's - They were gone by 60mins - Berni was walking & his runs on the outlet ceased. Sim when he came on was looking back saying where are you guys & they were like we are buggered mate you do it.

The worry is the finals can go 120mins not just 90 so if you had to repalce both because they are buggered would be an issue. Duke will give you one more if it looks on but Berni just didn't even bother. So do you start one not the other or leave them both off?

If you leave them off hoping to introduce some punch then when as could go 120 butwhat if like Perth someone else gets injured & ruins the plans & your stuck with one on the bench. Up to you Mossy to sort that out.

Mossy great tactical change to plug Berisha's hole. Got plenty of credit on Fox for it. I watched the Roar against WSW & they are a bit toothless without Berisha - They rely more on a long bomb from outside the box which I think they got against MV to get the Premiers plate. So shutting down that space really limited there effectiveness. They opened us up only really once right on half time when they hit the post.

To the boys at the back - The effort & reading the play decisions are back. Rosey cutting down the simple tap in to force the Roar player to hit the post due to pressure & in the 2nd half Griff cut off a threatening cross that would have been another tap in if he wasn't on the right side. Earlier in the season we were a step behind & on the wrong side. Is it desire, it the fitness guy starting to come into it or is just more comfort in the team & knowing your job.

Top game but it made the Perth game even worse - A draw against Perth would have got us 2nd.

Then WSW score late - we loose 2nd
Then SFC score late - we loose a big crowd for Sat
& get our boogey side as they are to quick for us.

Would you play Griff over Bosnar to handle the speed or go with experience?
 

Roy Law

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I'm expecting Duke and Bernie to be on the bench against Seoul; Sterj and Matty to start. As for Adelaide it depends on whether Moss wants to hit them early or come home strong. Adelaide have less stamina then our Ferraris. Might start Bosnar in ACL as that is his key area of experience, so Griff could start against Adelaide.
I am worried by the concept of Moss plugging Berisha's hole :innocent:
 

Gratis

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http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2014/apr/15/a-league-tactics-how-to-stop-brisbane-roar

A-League tactics: how to stop Brisbane Roar
Central Coast Mariners changed formation to stifle the Roar's usually fluid attack, and the decision paid dividends
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The Mariners were able to build counter-attacks, from which they could create goal-scoring opportunities. Photograph: Bradley Kanaris/Getty Images
The Central Coast Mariners have long been one of the most tactically consistent sides in the A-League but on Saturday night they changed their shape to defeat Brisbane Roar 2-0. In what was a surprise move, Phil Moss set his side up in a 5-4-1 formation when Brisbane had possession of the ball.

For so long, Central Coast’s play has been characterised by their 4-4-2 medium block defence. Only once in the previous 26 rounds had the Mariners altered their shape, moving momentarily to a 4-4-2 diamond. With such consistency in their structure, Central Coast have been able to bring new players into the team to perform the same or similar roles. But at the start of the week, decided to change things up.

Nick Montgomery, who usually plays in one of the deeper midfield roles, dropped in between the centre-backs Zac Anderson and Eddy Bosnar to form a back five which helped the Mariners to stifle Brisbane’s attack and allowed them a platform to counter-attack from.

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The Mariners’ defensive shape against Brisbane Roar, with Nick Montgomery as the third central defender in between Anderson and Bosnar
Brisbane’s attacking patterns are fluid, meaning players rotate seemingly at will to create vertical passing angles and to try to find pockets of space where they can receive the ball and face forward in between the lines.

By packing the defence, as opposed to midfield (which has often been the formula used against Brisbane), the Mariners were able to apply pressure from behind on Brisbane’s front three, making it difficult for them to turn and create.

When Brisbane’s wingers, either Dimitri Petratos on the right or Thomas Broich on the left, moved inside to find pockets of space, they were tracked by defenders. By having an extra man in defence, Central Coast’s defenders were able to step out of defence more easily to track those attackers into midfield.

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An example of how Central Coast’s defenders tracked runners into midfield to stifle Brisbane’s attack Photograph: /Graphic
In the 31st minute, a perfect example of Central Coast’s approach occurred. Brisbane created a pocket of space in between Central Coast’s lines and in between two midfield players (red circle). Petratos moved inside to receive the pass in the hope of turning, facing forward and playing in the forward runners of Matt McKay or Besart Berisha.

But Bosnar stepped out of defence ,which forced Petratos to take his first touch backwards. The measured pressure (not overcommitting and attempting to challenge Petratos, merely forcing him back towards his own goal) from Bosnar forced Petratos to dribble back towards the centre circle, with a player on his back the whole time. By the time Petratos had released the ball (to Shane Stefanutto at left-back), the Mariners had been able to reset defensively, their midfielders had recovered and Bosnar was able to trot back into defence with the Roar again playing in front of them.

Whilst it is far from the first time opposition sides have changed their approach to do so, playing reactively to stop Brisbane, Mike Mulvey was still not pleased with Central Coast’s approach. “It’s a lot easier to spoil than to create, and that’s what [Central Coast] came to do tonight,” he said post match.

This type of pressure, with Central Coast defenders stepping out from the back to prevent Brisbane’s forwards from receiving in between the lines and facing forward, stifled Brisbane’s usually fluid attack and meant Central Coast went home with all three points.
 
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dibo

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Good spot, great read - I fixed the formatting and added the pics for you.

The tactical analysis at The Guardian and The Leopold Method are brilliant, and well worth reading (if you like to nerd out on that sort of thing).
 

midfielder

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Good article except we have not played a 442 diamond for a while ... its 4-2-3-1 and when we get the ball 3 - 3 - 3- 3 - 1.

However and this comes with lots of bias because the 5-4-1 was a formation I played in for years as a right mid with over lapping runs from the right back .... but 5-4-1 can be very attacking because wide players can push up and wide mids are very free .... but as I said I am very bias with this formation...
 

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