RD 5 Mariners V Nix

[VicMariner]

That was Roy O’Donovan's third goal of the season, he also scored against Perth and SFC.

3 in 5, if he keeps scoring at that rate he'll be near the top of the scoring chart come seasons end.

 

[Ancient Mariner]

Caceres? Sounds like his job.

Caceras at the moment, in my view, is an attacking DM and useful in that position. People have been trying to suggest he should be an AM or #10 since he started playing regular 1st team football.
If you are going to play 2 up front you need an AM like Perez or Amini feeding them.

If you want to play Caceras as an attacker I think his ideal place would be as one of the strikers in a 4411 arrangement with a midfield diamond and him tucked closely behind O'Donovan. I just do not think a #10 role in either a 4231 or 4141 structure suits his attributes.

He can run at defenders and can hit a great shot.

We really need a provider to see the best in either R.O.D. or Heff. II

 

[shipwreck]

Of the current A-league players, who would fit that AM spot best? Just for my understanding. Khalfalla?

 

[Yoda]

Of the current A-league players, who would fit that AM spot best? Just for my understanding. Khalfalla?

Marcos..... Marcos Marcos.... Marcos Marcos.... Marcos Marcos Flores!

 

[Wombat]

3pts Monty
2pt. Posco
1pt. Austin

 

[dibo]

Nono, nono nono, nono nono, nono he's perma-crocked!

 

[FFC Mariner]

Kalik or more likely Fitzy at 10 in a 442.

IIRC, Fitzy played at 10 in TW's all conquering youth team that Arnie was able to mould into GF winners.

 

[Coastalraider]

A little off topic, but if I remember correctly, we went a whole game without a 'who do we sing for'??? A little dissapointing...

 

[dibo]

Kalik or more likely Fitzy at 10 in a 442.

IIRC, Fitzy played at 10 in TW's all conquering youth team that Arnie was able to mould into GF winners.

That would be an interesting 'back to the future' setup:

Izzo
Roux McGing Poscoliero Rose
Monty
Ferreira Austin
Fitzy
Heffernan O'Donovan​

 

[Wombat]

Id be happy to see that team run out.

 

[true believer]

A little off topic, but if I remember correctly, we went a whole game without a 'who do we sing for'??? A little dissapointing...

To busy avoiding drowning

 

[sydmariner]

Marcos..... Marcos Marcos.... Marcos Marcos.... Marcos Marcos Flores!

*starts chanting* "Kwasaldinho..... Kwasaldinho.... Kwasaldinho.... he runs down the wing & the fans all sing kwasaldinho"!!!!!!!!!
1 of the best strikers we ever had

 

[Gratis]

A little off topic, but if I remember correctly, we went a whole game without a 'who do we sing for'??? A little dissapointing...

maybe confidence... if even half the crowd wasn't sure and said 'we sing for yellow' out of habit instead of 'pink' they'd have been singing for wellington that game

 

[Coastalraider]

maybe confidence... if even half the crowd wasn't sure and said 'we sing for yellow' out of habit instead of 'pink' they'd have been singing for wellington that game

Bloody good point!!

 

[Rowdy]

That would be an interesting 'back to the future' setup:

Izzo
Roux McGing Poscoliero Rose
Monty
Ferreira Austin
Fitzy
Heffernan O'Donovan​

Ostensibly your suggestion appears to be a diamond 4 - 4 - 2, but squint your eyes and it's also/or can be a 4 - 1 - 3 - 2.

Walmsley made it clear pre-season that he was relinquishing the tenure of season's previous where we were predominantly playing with the 2 holding defensive midfielders- Hutch and Monty, and wanting to bring about this new 'attacking philosphy' using just the one DM.

Posco showed some promise in that role whilst Monty was recovering from injury in those pre-season games, he tried Ascroft there as well in the the last psgame, the Fans Day 11v11.

Walmsy also wants 3 up front 'pressing' opposition, this means that the 2 AM's Fitz/Cac sit in behind those 3.

It's essentially a 4-3-3, with the front 3 being (or meant to be) 'flat/in a line' whilst the middle 3 aren't 'flat/in line', but instead are an inverted/ or up-side down triangle.

This is creating a problem around Monty or more importantly in front of him as the distance between him and the 2 AM's is too great, creating a hole.

It's whats leaving us vulnerable on the counters, proven by one of our CB's 'rushing out' from his 'devensive line' position (leaving an attacker behind that was next to him also) to shut down players coming forward either side of Monty when he's central.

Posco is the biggest culprit of doing this. He gets beaten and McGing is on his own or maybe with either Roux or Rosey at times if he's lucky. But their being found out to be be too far forward many a time & too many times together being too far forward at the same time!

Posco has a 'fail' & we have the situations where McGing is by himself with Roux scrambling back to help him - coincidentally on Roux's far post side ...... the side where we're 'shipping' the goals.

I've yet to 'really' witness the press by all of our front 3, in a co-ordinated way.

Roy tries, but opposition CB's are just slipping sideway balls to the other CB and/or so on to their L/Rbacks and Fab and Austin aren't there cutting off or shutting down quick enough (coordinated press) ........& the opposition are getting 'out' by having time to play a good mid or long range pass.

I think we can remedy this and kill a few other birds with just a slight change to the 4 - 1 - 3 - 2 formation.

Roy & Heff both upfront hounding and keeping constant press. on the 2 CB's.

Austin - (Caceres or Fitz) - Fab as the next line of three behind them looking to pressure the L&R backs, with the middle player of our 3 (Cac/Fitz) pressuring oppositions DM.

Were essentially defending or 'pressing' the opposition from playing out with a 'pack of 5 yellow players'. Hoping to cause a turn-over or forcing them to play 'hurriedly' longer balls into the spaces either side of Monty ....... which will NOW
be occupied by our L&R Backs creating 'a flat 3' .... Rosey - Monty - Roux.

So in defence, during the press ONLY, we become a 2- 3 - 3 -2 formation. 2 lines in the middle third marking tightly and Roy & Heff pressuring hard like cattle-dogs.

"This Tony would finally let me see that 5 MINS of FURY that you spoke about in the Kendall Bar pre-game of Rnd1 that you promised we'd see when ever we lost the ball and tried to recover it back......I'm still eagerly waiting with baited breath"

Yes it leaves us with just the x2 CB's, but they will keep a high line, working the offside trap for the really long balls, which if are straight our Keeper? should keep in czech by sweeping. If the long balls are diagonals then the nearest CB goes out to pressure and keep it near the sideline whilst Monty slips into the 'backline' to help the lone CB with the far post LRBack going with Monty or tracking a far post attacking run.

The nearer post LRBack either helps the CB that went wide by picking up whichever opposition player is nearest to the player which the ball carrier can pass to, either playing-back up the line or into the corner of the 18 yrd box which is predominantly the 2 options attacking players only have when they are pressurred out wide near the the side-line or corner-flag area's in our back 3rd.

This formation with this structure/ tactics can help us continue with the 'attacking/entertaining' mindset that TW wants to play but isn't quite delivering because of our defensive vulnerability.

It gives us 4 lines when 'pressing' the opposition trying to play out, and if we compress our lines by playing a modest high line (not on halfway ) it could give us our cake AND WE GET TO EAT IT!

 

[pjennings]

Good post - my only issue is with Heff 2.0. He is essentially a semi-pro footballer with a limited pre-season. Will he have the stamina the others have for a constant press?

 

[Rowdy]

Good point - I know Heff has the pace for the press, as when I watched the recording of the Nix game on Fox I noted when the Nix played a quick counter from within their own 18 into our midfield, saw Heff absolutely 'turn it on' from the 6 yrd box to track back to help the mid field. He's definitely got pace when he needs it.

But your right, Heff has NO A-League pre-season counting rice - WITH tweezers @ 2:00 AM or an SAS soldier barking at him doing 'doggies' up & down the sand hills.

He just has an VIC-NPL season, that had sporadic FFA Cup games post season, under his belt when we finally got hold of him. Heff also looks to be a few kilos heavy for the A-League which he'll def shift under Brice.

I think Bingo, subbing off the bench for Heff could fit this formation and stamina reqd. up front combining with Roy.

Bingo is already lean & HAS the pre-season in his legs. I thought he looked promising after coming on, especially
when we were in our front 3rd despite being assigned wide right.

It's in the front 3rd where he gets that sparkle in his eye and is 'at home' up front. He has good height for every single one of our 47 crosses into the 18 yard .

Not that we dont NOW know that Roy can get-up for some of them but def can see Bingham rise for the heavier back post balls (Austin) ........ with Roy more the front post 'flatter' - faster deliveries at the near post &/or pouncing on Bingham's scraps ie. knock-downs, Goalie swats, rebounds etc.

Roy has that pick-pocket style about him in the 6 yard area.

 

[Rowdy]

And for the record; I'm NOT insinuating that Roy would like to "sell me a dagg or a caravan for me' mam"