sydmariner
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Bring back pasfield & dump reddy
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Gratis
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after macca's second miss-that-should-have-been you just knew it was gonna be one of those days. to start i thought we were decent. after a point it went back to bring unable to string passes together.
we're not playing any of the old system well enough for it to work currently. it's like that's the plan but too many of the players are not well drilled enough in the system to play it instinctively. consequently we try and play it through, lose the ball to high pressing and aren't set well enough defensively. simply put we need to work work work at remastering the chosen system or play a new one.
I'm starting to think it's time for a new one but won't kid myself in saying i know what that should be, that's for better footballing minds than mine (i know there's another thread for this). once we were 3 nil down i was actually hoping for an embarrassing scoreline to bring this to a head. fumbling wins and draws this way doesn't promote looking to solve it but hopefully this kick up the arse will
MoM Monty for me
also i think i heard the commentators talking of a possible McGlinchey lone move to Japan with Arnie
we're not playing any of the old system well enough for it to work currently. it's like that's the plan but too many of the players are not well drilled enough in the system to play it instinctively. consequently we try and play it through, lose the ball to high pressing and aren't set well enough defensively. simply put we need to work work work at remastering the chosen system or play a new one.
I'm starting to think it's time for a new one but won't kid myself in saying i know what that should be, that's for better footballing minds than mine (i know there's another thread for this). once we were 3 nil down i was actually hoping for an embarrassing scoreline to bring this to a head. fumbling wins and draws this way doesn't promote looking to solve it but hopefully this kick up the arse will
MoM Monty for me
also i think i heard the commentators talking of a possible McGlinchey lone move to Japan with Arnie
rbakersmith
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Bringing back Pasfield is only going to work if he feels confident enough to be out there and Moss and Crawley think he can do a better job than Reddy.
Even with Reddy's mistakes today I don't think that's going to be the case.
VicMariner
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Poor game.
Funny thing is we created enough chances to get a result. Two easy tap ins went begging. Score those and the game would of been different.
Funny thing is we created enough chances to get a result. Two easy tap ins went begging. Score those and the game would of been different.
BrisRecky
I'm an idiot savant without the pesky savant bit
indeed I heard the FUX'ed commentators mumble something about Wee Mac going on loan to Arnie and then Bernie coming back...heres a thought send bernie to japan and keep mick right where he is...also that game was the drizzling shits...no problem getting a seat at BT next home game methinks
Wombat
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FP,
We have been staring down the barrel of a hiding like this all year.
We definately need to change our shape.
You cant blame Mossy as he is simply carrying on Arnie's structure.....which has been flawed all year.
Ancient Mariner
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The statement was not a response to one game it was a response to one third of the season, and judging by the way we have been playing in most of those games is not at all hysterical.
Ancient Mariner
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Ryan > Reddy
Zwanny > Seip
Pedj > Storm
Bernie > Duke (on right wing)
Glinch > Marco (at No. 10)
McBreen has not had a break and is a year older, Sterj is a year older.
Add to that, last years team had time to build understandings. This one has too many new combinations to fit straight in to a style that requires a those understandings plus individual ball skills.
When you are being pressed you need to either beat the player pressing (requires individual skills) or play rapid one touch football (requires individual skills plus understanding).
Takes time.
Changing formation back to 442 (which we play in defense) is an option but to play well will still be limited by the above. I do not see it as a cure all.
Zwanny > Seip
Pedj > Storm
Bernie > Duke (on right wing)
Glinch > Marco (at No. 10)
McBreen has not had a break and is a year older, Sterj is a year older.
Add to that, last years team had time to build understandings. This one has too many new combinations to fit straight in to a style that requires a those understandings plus individual ball skills.
When you are being pressed you need to either beat the player pressing (requires individual skills) or play rapid one touch football (requires individual skills plus understanding).
Takes time.
Changing formation back to 442 (which we play in defense) is an option but to play well will still be limited by the above. I do not see it as a cure all.
style_cafe
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Did Reddy make the mistake or did the officials make the mistake?
priorpeter
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Who??
Wombat
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Storm is a much better player than Pedj. Pedj does overlap better but its not exactly a differcult skill to master and it is often our midfield that fail to release the ball at the right time or into the right space.
Mad hatter
true believer
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yes AM it was poorly worded on my part . cheers
true believer
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we were poor .but give credit. they were great .we won't be the last side that gets cained by them.
it's a move on game . we probably got cocky before we got there. there was a street fight and we were wearing a dinner suit.
nobody will give us a chance against the drive by's . just quietly
it's a move on game . we probably got cocky before we got there. there was a street fight and we were wearing a dinner suit.
nobody will give us a chance against the drive by's . just quietly
true believer
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it doesn't matter , but
2013/2014 English League Championship Table
Overall Home Away
POS TEAM P W D L F A W D L F A W D L F A GD Pts
1 Queens Park Rangers 20 12 6 2 24 10 8 2 0 14 2 4 4 2 10 8 14 42
Roy Law
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Disappearing Act
Adelaide had lost its previous nine games to the Mariners; nine consecutive defeats qualified them by any definition as the Mariners’ Bunnies. But, what happens if the Bunny turns and makes the Magician disappear? Because that is what happened today as Adelaide made the Mariners’ magician Marcos Flores – a former Johnny Warren medallist with Adelaide – disappear completely.
Adelaide has been playing some outstanding football this season but without reward; one day it was going to change and that day, to the Mariners’ cost, was today. Bruce Djite said afterwards that Adelaide had been punished for its mistakes this season so it was nice to finally punish someone. And punish they did: 4-0 is a comprehensive belting; the worst defeat in four years for the hapless Mariners.
The first half was end-to-end entertainment; chances regularly falling to both sides. Adelaide took two of theirs, the Mariners missed everything. On another day the Mariners might have got something out of this but this day belonged to Adelaide. It could have all been so different if Daniel McBreen had packed his Golden Boots instead of choosing to wear clumping great Bluntstones.
The double miss by Sainsbury and McBreen had to be seen to be believed: I cannot remember having seen anything like it before.
As the ball sat in the air, just six minutes into the game, begging to be hit into the back of the net, we leaned forward in excited anticipation as Sainsbury met it. His shanked volley had us groaning in frustration but when the ball fell to McBreen we were on our feet again. Golden Boot somehow recklessly skied the ball over with the goal gaping wide. Oh dear. McBreen proved it was no fluke with a horrible miss in the closing seconds of the half.
After a succession of chances to both teams Bruce Djite brought order to the proceeding when he opportunistically scored at the near post in the 24th minute with the Mariners defence all over the place. Roux thought he was fouled in the build up: he may have a case but you play to the whistle. The Mariners then lost their composure and Hutchinson and McBreen picked up soft yellow cards much to the pleasure of referee Ben Williams who seemed eager to give out as many cards as possible as is the popular custom at this time of the year. Merry Christmas!
Ferreira made it 2-0, given too much time and space. His shot went through Reddy, on another day it would have hit his body but this was Adelaide’s day.
In the closing seconds McBreen was clean through but a crafty Adelaide defender must have tied his shoelaces together as he stumbled, fumbled and eventually bumbled the chance wide.
As the teams went in at half-time I thought to myself this could either be 5-0 or 3-3.
Adelaide was already looking confident when Reddy gave us a catastrophic error. Goalkeepers have nowhere to hide when this happens but despite Reddy’s anger at the officials the simple fact is that all he had to do was pick up Galekovic’s long kick and the Mariners would have had possession. However, as is the modern way, he attempted to shield the ball with his body as it rolled over the line and paid the price as Cirio said ‘cheerio’ and robbed him and scored. It doesn’t matter that the official got it wrong: Reddy should have picked the ball up.
The 3-0 scoreline brought back desperate hopes of the famous occasion when Mile Jedinak took the game by the scruff of the neck and brought the score back to 3-3 many years ago. But Jedinak wasn’t playing today and Adelaide started going through training session patterns drawing cries of “Olé!” at every pass from the jubilant Reds crowd..
Matt Simon and Mile Sterjovski came on for the disappointing Flores and the unlucky Mitchell Duke; Simon’s never say die attitude immediately set up McGlinchey but Tarek Elrich produced a great saving tackle. Simon’s persistence created half chances to give hope of making the score respectable but Reddy was forced into a flying full length save and then Elrich bombed a great opportunity when the Mariners’ back line, again, were caught flat footed and Reddy was exposed.
As the game came to a close McGlinchey shot straight at Galekovic but then Sainsbury, not for the first time this season, was outpaced and Jeronimo classily tucked home the embarrassing fourth.
Adelaide were brilliant today and deserved the win but the Mariners will look at the first half and think they might have got something out of this. The truth is that for the third time in recent weeks, as with Brisbane and Victory, the Mariners were not able to cope with the high intense pressing of Adelaide and our midfield was taken out of the equation. Flores barely got a touch and McGlinchey struggled. It presents a real challenge for Phil Moss as the better teams seem to have the measure of the Mariners. As he rightly said, on field and off field problems may have contributed to the demise but the Mariners can’t make excuses, they must get on with it and solve the problems they face.
Wellington on Thursday: take three points and we are very much back in the mix.
Mom? Duke for a spirited effort on a disappointing day.
Adelaide had lost its previous nine games to the Mariners; nine consecutive defeats qualified them by any definition as the Mariners’ Bunnies. But, what happens if the Bunny turns and makes the Magician disappear? Because that is what happened today as Adelaide made the Mariners’ magician Marcos Flores – a former Johnny Warren medallist with Adelaide – disappear completely.
Adelaide has been playing some outstanding football this season but without reward; one day it was going to change and that day, to the Mariners’ cost, was today. Bruce Djite said afterwards that Adelaide had been punished for its mistakes this season so it was nice to finally punish someone. And punish they did: 4-0 is a comprehensive belting; the worst defeat in four years for the hapless Mariners.
The first half was end-to-end entertainment; chances regularly falling to both sides. Adelaide took two of theirs, the Mariners missed everything. On another day the Mariners might have got something out of this but this day belonged to Adelaide. It could have all been so different if Daniel McBreen had packed his Golden Boots instead of choosing to wear clumping great Bluntstones.
The double miss by Sainsbury and McBreen had to be seen to be believed: I cannot remember having seen anything like it before.
As the ball sat in the air, just six minutes into the game, begging to be hit into the back of the net, we leaned forward in excited anticipation as Sainsbury met it. His shanked volley had us groaning in frustration but when the ball fell to McBreen we were on our feet again. Golden Boot somehow recklessly skied the ball over with the goal gaping wide. Oh dear. McBreen proved it was no fluke with a horrible miss in the closing seconds of the half.
After a succession of chances to both teams Bruce Djite brought order to the proceeding when he opportunistically scored at the near post in the 24th minute with the Mariners defence all over the place. Roux thought he was fouled in the build up: he may have a case but you play to the whistle. The Mariners then lost their composure and Hutchinson and McBreen picked up soft yellow cards much to the pleasure of referee Ben Williams who seemed eager to give out as many cards as possible as is the popular custom at this time of the year. Merry Christmas!
Ferreira made it 2-0, given too much time and space. His shot went through Reddy, on another day it would have hit his body but this was Adelaide’s day.
In the closing seconds McBreen was clean through but a crafty Adelaide defender must have tied his shoelaces together as he stumbled, fumbled and eventually bumbled the chance wide.
As the teams went in at half-time I thought to myself this could either be 5-0 or 3-3.
Adelaide was already looking confident when Reddy gave us a catastrophic error. Goalkeepers have nowhere to hide when this happens but despite Reddy’s anger at the officials the simple fact is that all he had to do was pick up Galekovic’s long kick and the Mariners would have had possession. However, as is the modern way, he attempted to shield the ball with his body as it rolled over the line and paid the price as Cirio said ‘cheerio’ and robbed him and scored. It doesn’t matter that the official got it wrong: Reddy should have picked the ball up.
The 3-0 scoreline brought back desperate hopes of the famous occasion when Mile Jedinak took the game by the scruff of the neck and brought the score back to 3-3 many years ago. But Jedinak wasn’t playing today and Adelaide started going through training session patterns drawing cries of “Olé!” at every pass from the jubilant Reds crowd..
Matt Simon and Mile Sterjovski came on for the disappointing Flores and the unlucky Mitchell Duke; Simon’s never say die attitude immediately set up McGlinchey but Tarek Elrich produced a great saving tackle. Simon’s persistence created half chances to give hope of making the score respectable but Reddy was forced into a flying full length save and then Elrich bombed a great opportunity when the Mariners’ back line, again, were caught flat footed and Reddy was exposed.
As the game came to a close McGlinchey shot straight at Galekovic but then Sainsbury, not for the first time this season, was outpaced and Jeronimo classily tucked home the embarrassing fourth.
Adelaide were brilliant today and deserved the win but the Mariners will look at the first half and think they might have got something out of this. The truth is that for the third time in recent weeks, as with Brisbane and Victory, the Mariners were not able to cope with the high intense pressing of Adelaide and our midfield was taken out of the equation. Flores barely got a touch and McGlinchey struggled. It presents a real challenge for Phil Moss as the better teams seem to have the measure of the Mariners. As he rightly said, on field and off field problems may have contributed to the demise but the Mariners can’t make excuses, they must get on with it and solve the problems they face.
Wellington on Thursday: take three points and we are very much back in the mix.
Mom? Duke for a spirited effort on a disappointing day.
eenfish
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Completely agree. The game against Melbourne could've ended a lot worse, for example, as could've the game against Brisbane. Adelaide have been looking dangerous and ready to strike big against a team that hasn't gotten steady form, where-as we've been looking like we could do well if we get our stuff going but we just can't seem to.
Our defence this year compared to last year... miles apart.
Forum Phoenix
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Yeah I think this very much also. I think the upside is we do have a good squad, and I like Moss and agree, these are not problems which started occurring when he took over,
they were pre existing and GA would have had to solve it too.
Flores proving to be a 60 minute player is a concern I think, but he will obviously flourish under less pressure. At the moment he is easy to contain and has little opportunity to play his killer balls.
I agree with Ancient, in most regards, though I also think Storm is superior to Pedj, he just needs a bit more confidence and to take full license like Pedj always did.
We do need to look to skip past opposing teams when they are pressing hard, and I saw plenty of this last game, but they are pressing in two and threes, where this is all but impossible, so it's how we move between the lines and distribute that has to change while under pressure and yes the quality and speed of our passs and touches must be excellent (we miss Ollie in this regard also who was not on your > list Ancient) I concur with having a second striker - so playing direct is not so definitively just giving the ball away. Our 4231 looks good when a team sits off us. Our 442 when we changed early in the season when chasing a game (I forget which) looked a lot more positive and allowed us to go direct when under pressure. From, what I'm seeing, I think two DM's are wasted on us at present because we are getting into defensive trouble when we have the ball and don;t have enough ball carriers to play out. So we lose possession when our DM's and FB's are out of position, and we all know Hutch can't chase back effectively.
So personally I'd like to See Duke alongside Mcbreen. Simon to sub on.
Flores in behind. Caceres to sub on.
Weemac right mid. Where he has been at his most scintillating best.
Fitzgerald/Sterj left.
Base of the diamond, I think due to better distribution, it has to be Hutch... so my big call is to give Monty a trial alongside Trent in the middle of defence.
Monty is a wonderful defender and I just can't see my way to leaving him out of the starting 11. Great attitude, reads the game well, with the experience and head we might be missing at the back in Dutchys absence. Might need aerial support from both strikers on set pieces though.
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