R26 CCM v WSW (away)

[Gratis]

Why the owners got involved in recruiting is beyond a joke, Can't see the likes of the owners of the top European or Sth American teams dictating to the Manager who they should sign. Set the Budget, by all means but let the Manager make the calls as they see necessary.
I am puzzled by the continued selection of Izzo, losing Reddy for allegedly disciplinary reasons was always going to be tough hole to fill but when it became obvious he isn't up to standard, why not look at Heward-Belle or Bray for longer periods? Both from what I have seen would be an upgrade on Izzo.
No one else would take the job, but supposedly it was a worldwide search and then somehow they decide to promote from within. Something just doesn't sit right their.
If the players aren't up to scratch drill into them defence at training, if some signs of improvement were there then the losses while not ideal, would at least be palatable but seeing no improvement , you can't help but question the coaching or lack there of.

I agree with all this generally.
Just feel that it still isn't enough to call 'bad coach' and demand his head.

Izzo is a head scratcher, but it's one player and we don't know what was happening behind the scenes.

Regardless of training our defence is still youth league, further hamstrung by Storm's injury and suspensions. That said I think most agree they HAVE seen improvement from these individuals.
Some of the selection what the?'s we've seen...well when we lose game after game if the coach DIDN'T try new players/combinations we would have screamed 'bad coach off with his head'. There was also an inordinate amount of players suspended, injured or let go to explain many of the selection choices. This also adds to a season of inconsistency and therefore an unsettled defence.

All I'm saying is that at this point in the campaign we're all angry and hurting. We justifiably want accountability, and it's easy to knee jerk and say it must be the coach. But the best evidence anyone can provide for coach incompetence is really not very much and easily explainable when it is presented.

The flip side is I can also see no real evidence that TW is a GOOD coach either from this season. The evidence he is poor, though, isn't strong so with no clear indication either way I don't feel I can make a call at this point.

Certainly not enough to call for his head.

 

[FFC Mariner]

Why the owners got involved in recruiting is beyond a joke, Can't see the likes of the owners of the top European or Sth American teams dictating to the Manager who they should sign. Set the Budget, by all means but let the Manager make the calls as they see necessary.
I am puzzled by the continued selection of Izzo, losing Reddy for allegedly disciplinary reasons was always going to be tough hole to fill but when it became obvious he isn't up to standard, why not look at Heward-Belle or Bray for longer periods? Both from what I have seen would be an upgrade on Izzo.
No one else would take the job, but supposedly it was a worldwide search and then somehow they decide to promote from within. Something just doesn't sit right their.
If the players aren't up to scratch drill into them defence at training, if some signs of improvement were there then the losses while not ideal, would at least be palatable but seeing no improvement , you can't help but question the coaching or lack there of.

Recruiting in a large number of clubs comes from a "Football committee /technical djrector" the coach usually has some level of input but is 1 voice not the sole voice.

That was the role TW was recruited for.

A football department is responsible for recruitment, clubs football philosophy etc. Coach coaches.

Whether the people recruiting are any good is another matter entirely.

Storrie has complete control of the football department and I'm sure his deep knowledge of Australian and Asian football stands us in good stead.

Or maybe not.....

 

[Forum Phoenix]

I wondered if Izzo might be part political decision, as we'd get even more of a hiding from all and sundry if we dropped the Olyroos keeper... but I think it might just be as simple as that everyone else in Australian football (including our coaches) rate him.

 

[Wombat]

Didn't Trott play one game for Olyroos??

 

[FFC Mariner]

I wondered if Izzo might be part political decision, as we'd get even more of a hiding from all and sundry if we dropped the Olyroos keeper... but I think it might just be as simple as that everyone else in Australian football (including our coaches) rate him.[/QUO
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Didn't Redmayne play for them?

 

[Blackadder]

I wondered if Izzo might be part political decision, as we'd get even more of a hiding from all and sundry if we dropped the Olyroos keeper... but I think it might just be as simple as that everyone else in Australian football (including our coaches) rate him.

They obviously rate him , why they do is not so obvious.

 

[sydmariner]

Didn't Trott play one game for Olyroos??

No he didn't.

 

[Gratis]

I've wondered if there was a clear difference in training between the keepers. Regardless game performance should be the driver

 

[nebakke]

I've wondered if there was a clear difference in training between the keepers. Regardless game performance should be the driver

I suppose though, the thing is that if we've seen Bray at his best, in a game - playing out of necessity - and he's dropping 'em, like a DJ on a Friday night, making Izzo look good in training, it still becomes a big call to switch them out.
Consider the amount of people who have decided, as is, that Walmsley is the problem. Indeed look at the ones that have already complained about a lack of consistency in the lineup but at the same time are looking for changes... How would they respond if Bray came out to play another game and turned out to be as woeful as he was in training - hypothetically... Then you'd have killed the confidence of a potential long-term keeping prospect, potentially let in even more goals, still lost the game and still cop criticism from everyone. So I suppose on a risk/benefit view, there might not be as much to be gained as we perceive there to be.

Mind you, it's not that I agree with, or defend the decision - I, like the rest of us I think, would've REALLY liked to see more of Bray - but at the core, I agree that we just don't know what's been going on behind the scenes and how good Bray has been looking in training.
You'd have thought that he'd at least have gotten the game after the MV game though.

 

[Coach]

I took a friend that has Managed at a very high professional level in Europe along to Parramatta on Friday (he is here on holidays). His thoughts;

1. Loved the red & black block and atmosphere

2. He wanted to know if Ashcroft & McGing had played together before, his comment was 'have they just been introduced, did they just shake hands'!

3. He thought the endeavour was admirable

4. Thought the young GK looked ok but very green

5. Mentioned that the structure changed dramatically at about the 20min mark 4-4-2 to 4-2-3-1

6. Wanted to know if Austin was a 1st team regular

7. Thought Posc was put to the sword by those inside and in front of him, no help in defence and they did not move off the ball for him

8. Mentioned that O'Donovan would be very effective with an out and out striker next to him

9. Saw potential in young Rose, Neill & Pearce

10. Would keep Josh Rose, Roy & Posc

11. Liked Stella but thought he was a square peg in our team, didn't get the support or options he needs to be effective

12. Wondered why we would bother with Garcia but was really mystified why he would be played in a deeper midfield role

13. In defence he thought that there was way too much room between the lines (he pointed this out over and over again). He thought that we were scared of them getting in behind i.e. lacking confidence in each other. This coupled with a lack of intensity in the midfield saw them flooding forward unchecked (3 of the 4 goals came from this)

14. Was actually quite positive in the end mentioning that if WSW were the bench mark then the gap is not as big as we perceive (he hasn't watched the rest of the season lol)

 

[Gratis]

Does he want a coaching job?

I thought "10. Would keep Josh Rose, Roy & Posc" was pertinent. These players are safe for me too, though I would definitely keep Fab and Austin as well

 

[Wombat]

I took a friend that has Managed at a very high professional level in Europe along to Parramatta on Friday (he is here on holidays). His thoughts;

1. Loved the red & black block and atmosphere

2. He wanted to know if Ashcroft & McGing had played together before, his comment was 'have they just been introduced, did they just shake hands'!

3. He thought the endeavour was admirable

4. Thought the young GK looked ok but very green

5. Mentioned that the structure changed dramatically at about the 20min mark 4-4-2 to 4-2-3-1

6. Wanted to know if Austin was a 1st team regular

7. Thought Posc was put to the sword by those inside and in front of him, no help in defence and they did not move off the ball for him

8. Mentioned that O'Donovan would be very effective with an out and out striker next to him

9. Saw potential in young Rose, Neill & Pearce

10. Would keep Josh Rose, Roy & Posc

11. Liked Stella but thought he was a square peg in our team, didn't get the support or options he needs to be effective

12. Wondered why we would bother with Garcia but was really mystified why he would be played in a deeper midfield role

13. In defence he thought that there was way too much room between the lines (he pointed this out over and over again). He thought that we were scared of them getting in behind i.e. lacking confidence in each other. This coupled with a lack of intensity in the midfield saw them flooding forward unchecked (3 of the 4 goals came from this)

14. Was actually quite positive in the end mentioning that if WSW were the bench mark then the gap is not as big as we perceive (he hasn't watched the rest of the season lol)

Thanks Coach,
Some interesting feedback.
For me I thought Josh Rose was quite poor in that game.
I dont think WSW are the benchmark at all. Probably the best coached side but not the benchmark.
I think they will be found out in the finals (but if Castelen shines anything can happen)

 

[nebakke]

If i unstated you tight though coach - he was saying that as a genuine "if" as in "I know nothing of this league but i know that these guys are at the top and they're not that much better"
I at least would tend to agree with that. WSW was pretty bloody shite... Their luck was that we were even worse. I'm with you Wombat - If expect them to be found out in the goals. Which going on their ACL campaign, means they'll win ;-)

 

[Wombat]

Nebbake.....them v us was Men against boys.
We were shite.
However, against the good sides....Bris, Victory, Adelaide and City (even Perth) they will struggle.
They have little strike power. Nichols is good, and if you leave him unmarked in the box like we do, he can hurt you.
Castelan, is quality and their main weapon. Without him, they are limited.

 

[nebakke]

Nebbake.....them v us was Men against boys.
We were shite.
However, against the good sides....Bris, Victory, Adelaide and City (even Perth) they will struggle.
They have little strike power. Nichols is good, and if you leave him unmarked in the box like we do, he can hurt you.
Castelan, is quality and their main weapon. Without him, they are limited.

I agree - sorry I probably wasn't clear enough... I thought we were the absolute pits... But considering some of the players in that team and their qualities, I thought they were absolutely dross as well... Just not as bad as us - but that'd have been a long way to fall.
Which is why I'm agreeing with you... Personally I think any of Perth, Adelaide, Brisbane, City should beat them, without too much of a struggle...
Less certain about Victory, but they're a strange proposition currently.

 

[Wombat]

Victory beat drive bys 2.0 last week or 2.
Very easy win.
Poppa made big mistake not starting Castelan.