R14 Mariners v The Nix

[ballantyne]

We've had 2 maybe 3 decent penalty takers in our history. Jedinak, Flores...Mori? Extraordinary.

 

[localpom]

We were shit again, lets not sugar coat it!



You are Dreaming Pom!

They are shit. Highly physical and got away with a lot of hacking but they are an ugly Football side.

We are shit but at least there was some effort tonight.

Nix had won 3 in a row, had outplayed WSW away last game, really should had beaten us at NSO by 2 or 3 the other week. Roar on their day are the best side in the comp but have been inconsistent. I will be dreaming in about 10 minutes.

 

[Wombat]

They are coming second last but yes they were on a good run......

 

[dibo]

Anyone notice that when we weren't having the bejeezus kicked out of us, we actually *did* pass pretty effectively, especially in close quarters?

Lots more triangles, lots more playing out of trouble, we lost it pushing longer passes in the wind.

Macca's penalty miss was a classic into the wind rocket. That sucker was always going up up up...

I'm more stunned by the free header. I suspect he was too - the defenders all ran the other way and left Macca and Matty standing there. I reckon it was a good tactic - Macca was so stunned he forgot to score.

 

[style_cafe]

I seem to remember McBreen's last penalty attempt was ok, (GF last year).

But of course, Hutchy was at fault allowing him to take this one.

I wish I had your vision Style. (Hindsight is a wonderful ability)

I seem to remember McBreen's last penalty attempt was ok, (GF last year).

But of course, Hutchy was at fault allowing him to take this one.

I wish I had your vision Style. (Hindsight is a wonderful ability)

It`s not about vision or hindsight it`s about a captain, who has a job to do in making decisions on the feild to attain the best possible outcome for the team.
Hutcho,did not do that!
Instead he let an out of form,tired player,who hasn`t had an off season walk up & have a try to get an easy goal.
Thats not captainsy that`s piss weak leadership!
He let McBreen take the reins when he should have given the nod to someone else.
It`s that simple "blind freddy" could have seen it.

 

[Arnie]

Who should have taken the penalty?
Did anyone else put there hand up?
The tv coverage just showed the four guys who ran away to get a drink of water.
I would have chosen Trent or Fitzy. Was duke still on at that stage?

 

[style_cafe]

Then who should've taken the penalty then

Fitzy seems to be the go to man for free kicks around the box these days so he would have been first choice.
Trent,Monty,Duke or Hutcho should have been in front of McBreen.

 

[nero]

Much better game than last week. Simon was back to the standard we are use to from season gone by. Somehow every week we seem to be missing a player at the moment. I hope who ever is brought in is experienced and can step up. The leaders on the field seem to have gone quiet.

 

[VicMariner]

Who should have taken the penalty?

Matt Simon for the following reasons:
1) He was playing in good form in this particular game.
2) He had scored a cracking goal so his confidence should have been high.
3) He is a striker so he has the technique required to score a penalty.

ETA- I can't remember when he was subbed. I'll bet he was off when the penalty was given.
ETA2- Just checked. Penalty 68th minute, Simon subbed 79th minute.

 

[localpom]

Fitzy seems to be the go to man for free kicks around the box these days so he would have been first choice.
Trent,Monty,Duke or Hutcho should have been in front of McBreen.

I'd be very suprised if the decision hadn't been made prior to the game. There has to be a nominated penalty taker and Macca is that man. Maybe time for a rethink.

 

[greenlig]

Rewatching Matty's goal...it was actually really good. Duke gambled a bit with the flick, but the more I watch, the more I want Fitzy closer to the goal. He turns well and always seems to make space for himself around the box. More of that please!!

 

[dibo]

Simon earned another start yesterday. I don't reckon he's been great so far, but his use of the ball was very good and he looked more patient.

There was one play in particular in the second half where he had back to goal near half way and turned to the right, held off his man and just waited on Storm Roux's run before sliding a lovely pass out into the channel. There was more of this stuff, but that one stuck with me as a symbol of how he played. It was great to see and I think he's got more improvement in him as his confidence builds.

 

[Big Al]

It`s not about vision or hindsight it`s about a captain, who has a job to do in making decisions on the feild to attain the best possible outcome for the team.
Hutcho,did not do that!
Instead he let an out of form,tired player,who hasn`t had an off season walk up & have a try to get an easy goal.
Thats not captainsy that`s piss weak leadership!
He let McBreen take the reins when he should have given the nod to someone else.
It`s that simple "blind freddy" could have seen it.

What's the problem couple more penalty misses in the next couple of months & we all know what comes after that.
A LEAGUE CHAMPIONS!

To be serious though how is it Hutch's fault that Mcbreen probably put it in the top corner of Tonga.

Last year we went through this mess & it was determined that we should stop swapping & the taker should keep taking them regardless of misses.

So who to blame
1. Flores - He is clearly the penalty taker - So for getting injured I blame him
2. Wanna be coach ( I am not sure Mossy deserves the title of coach yet) - Playing a cleary fatigued & out of form player
3. Hutch - Because he didn't break team rules & over rule the guy who blasted one into the top of the net on GF day & is our nominated penalty taker when Flores wasn't around
4. McBreen - Ran full steam but in the final stride lifted his head & curled the foot & tried to place it instead of blasting it with the foot going through the ball not round it. At first when he stepped up & started running in I thought he was a certainty than the fatigue set in as he made it to the ball. Woeful shot.

I agree Mcbreen is not playing very well & shouldn't have taken the penalty on his current form. But the team trust him & he has performed when it maters at the spot.

i also thought Simon should have taken it. It's 101 a striker scores a goal during the game & a penalty comes up they should take it. Strikers play on confidence & a goal scorer should be taking it over everyone. IMO

 

[Big Al]

We played great in the first half dominated away from home but that goal came from nothing really & was a bit lucky & it shook our spirit. We deserved a 1-0 lead & we very rarely give them up. Start of the 2nd half they dominated us for the first 20mins & the penalty was against the run of play but we fluffed our chance unlike them in the 1st half.

Caceras lifts that ball over moss & it's a well deserved win. Bugger

At the start of the year there was a lot of swapping players at the back (Left CB) took us a while but I think Zac is the man. Now we have stopped swapping the backs look a lot better & the continuity is benefiting the team. They are still giving up a goal here or there but that happens they don't look like they are going to concede every time like they did a few weeks ago.

So now is the time to do the same up front. Stop swapping them around. It's messing with there mojo.

Time to stick to the same team regardless of results for a couple of games. The forwards should be as stated in the transfer thread our NYL attacking team from couple years ago. Fitzy (left) Caceras (middle) Ibini (right) Duke (Striker). Simon first sub, McbreenSterj 2nd depending on situation.

Last year it was always Duke as the sub. Didn't matter how well he was playing (While Mcbreen scoring the Golden boot helped keep him at bay) it was the knowledge of the role that helped not just Duke but the team.

Simon - That was probably the first ball all season he has had in front of him with him facing the goal & bang puts his foot through it. Not with his back to goal as a outlet holder (his first touch has been shit in this position as well). Get him more balls facing goal & you get more goals. Good reward for his effort last night.

 

[nebakke]

Simon - That was probably the first ball all season he has had in front of him with him facing the goal & bang puts his foot through it. Not with his back to goal as a outlet holder (his first touch has been shit in this position as well). Get him more balls facing goal & you get more goals. Good reward for his effort last night.

I think I've mentioned this before, but I remember Macca creaditing this sort of thing with his golden boot last year. Basically what he was saying was that his form was a combination of a different training pattern for the older blokes and the style changes leading to him receiving the ball facing goal, rather than with the back to it, the way he used to, seems reasonable that Matty would feel similarly

I'm probably going to get creamed for writing this but... I actually think we've been looking a bit more solid without Flores... I think we've had a tendency to play schoolyard-style - that is, get the ball to Flores 'coz he has mad skillz, then see what happens - this has made it easy for opposition teams to close us down and hard for Flores to do much because he's always swamped by opposition players. It's like the thing with running down the sides and crossing it in, it's easy to shut down if you know that that's the way the ball comes in every time. It feels like we're more open to alternative options when we don't have a high-quality player in the middle.
Something similar happened with Rogic last year, although the quality drop wasn't as significant, but I think some of that came from Rogic's skills as well... It's ironic that the absence of some of our technically most proficient and creative players actually leads to an increase in creativity, but that's the way it looks to me. I do wonder though, whether that doesn't also have something to do with confidence - whether it's in part a result of all the uncertainty around that team, having shaken the confidence to a point where the "safe option" is always chosen, the safe option being Flores or Weemac.
One of the strengths of the team and one of the reasons why I enjoy watching us play, is that we have little focus on individual merit... An attack can start from just about anywhere, just about any player can/has scored at some point, the boys seem to have forgotten that a bit at the start of this season.

EDIT: t and r are WAY too close on the keyboard

 

[Big Al]

I think I've mentioned this before, but I remember Macca creaditing this sort of thing with his golden boot last year. Basically what he was saying was that his form was a combination of a different training pattern for the older blokes and the style changes leading to him receiving the ball facing goal, rather than with the back to it, the way he used to, seems reasonable that Marry would feel similarly

I'm probably going to get creamed for writing this but... I actually think we've been looking a bit more solid without Flores... .

I got your back here - Flores was a very demanding player (exactly what u want from a marquee) in that he wanted the ball all the time. Nothing wrong with that but you need to use them as a dummy sometimes as well. The sydney swans used to do exactly the same thing with Plugger. Shit we paid for the best we better kick it to him - but he has 4 men on him - Nope my job is to kick to him.

Flores also didn't seem to be fit enough to handle the guys on his back or the speed to turn past them. I actually thought he was much more effective as a sub when the defence was tired in the Glory game. The first couple of games he was great after that to many cute flicks once the opposition worked out the ball was always going to him & that he wasn't fit enough to last the whole game or get past them. Great vision & skill I just think AU say the best of him & we only got glimpses

 

[kevrenor]

Firstly I would like to say Gillett is probably the worst ref in HAL. Clueless both ways.

Agree, but it is the other one who is.

 

[bikinigirl]

. nebbake and big al ... i tend to agree (and believe i had said as much previously). i don't think we are more creative per se ... but the 'participation' levels have increased. it was evident with both mikey and flores ... sometimes it was 'get the ball to them to create their magic' other times it was 'i have done my job getting the ball to them, i can sit back and watch the magic'

. the way we were playing as well seemed to be creating a huge gulf between flores and those behind him so he was often isolated - he could always go back but his instincts (rightly so) were telling him to attack ... hence the flick and trick mentality to get the ball to our only striker. that is ok for that occasional piece of magic, but not so good every time the ball comes to you (which was a lot)

. those guys are most dangerous when they have options because the opposition are caught in two-minds ... and we simply weren't giving them enough attacking options. this was partly due to our slow transitions and partly due to players not making themselves available - in a different position - once they had made their pass to the magicians

 

[BrisRecky]

well...I really thought with 3 "ahem" strikers we'd take it...clearly I'm delusional...Hutcho needs a rocket, Macca needs a holiday..Dukey needs to be in the middle
cudos to Matty Matty Matty Simon...job well done
...after the game the BrisMariner sent me the following....couldnt agree more


Our boys seem to create opportunities for other teams by making the oppositions territory gains for them ... Back passes whilst appropriate at times can be a teams undoing and can set a negative posture for a team as a whole... Not to mention they create fan anxiety ( mine in particular anyway)

Better to do your defending in the front third...

The other point that raises my blood pressure is lazy feet... To explain this you can increase your teams percentage of pass completions if you make an effort to get to the ball first! Too many times mid fielders or strikers will let the ball run past them to a waiting defender because the pass wasn't directly at their feet.. Stop being princes and work harder to make your mates pass look good!

And for f"@& sake just get to the ball first and win the 50/50s ... Do this and you take all wind out of the opposition sails..(anything else is LAZY)

Just sayin!

For mine we are lucky to be where we are on the table... CCM must get back to basics and play percentage football! Stop (seemingly) dwelling on last hoorahs! get back to doing what they are good at and that is being hungry and believing!

Brismariner.. COYY!!!

 

[Ancient Mariner]

It`s not about vision or hindsight it`s about a captain, who has a job to do in making decisions on the feild to attain the best possible outcome for the team.
Hutcho,did not do that!
Instead he let an out of form,tired player,who hasn`t had an off season walk up & have a try to get an easy goal.
Thats not captainsy that`s piss weak leadership!
He let McBreen take the reins when he should have given the nod to someone else.
It`s that simple "blind freddy" could have seen it.

McBreen has been our penalty taker all last season, Flores only took over in his absence. Of course McBreen was going to take that penalty and you would have struggled to get the ball off him.

I would be curious to know the number of penalty attempts taken by your list of alter

But hey, do not let that stop you taking the chance to pile shit on Hutchy, you are obviously much more experienced and knowledgeable about the teams ability than he or the coach.