R14 Mariners v The Nix

[Ancient Mariner]

Back in third..

Yes, but this time next week we could be out of the six.

 

[Kareem]

In support of 1 or 2 comments talking about our players challenging for the ball, running hard etc., this was something I heard last week about Diego simoene. The atletico madrid coach (2nd place in Spain at the moment, and the dark horse in the UCL)

The Effort is non-negotiable!

I am sure he isn't the first person to say that, but he drills that into his team...
And they dominated my beloved Real Madrid in 2013 (2 wins in a row, after not winning for something like 14 years...).
And with an "inferior squad"

 

[dibo]

well...I really thought with 3 "ahem" strikers we'd take it...clearly I'm delusional...Hutcho needs a rocket, Macca needs a holiday..Dukey needs to be in the middle
cudos to Matty Matty Matty Simon...job well done
...after the game the BrisMariner sent me the following....couldnt agree more


Our boys seem to create opportunities for other teams by making the oppositions territory gains for them ... Back passes whilst appropriate at times can be a teams undoing and can set a negative posture for a team as a whole... Not to mention they create fan anxiety ( mine in particular anyway)

Better to do your defending in the front third...

The other point that raises my blood pressure is lazy feet... To explain this you can increase your teams percentage of pass completions if you make an effort to get to the ball first! Too many times mid fielders or strikers will let the ball run past them to a waiting defender because the pass wasn't directly at their feet.. Stop being princes and work harder to make your mates pass look good!

And for f"@& sake just get to the ball first and win the 50/50s ... Do this and you take all wind out of the opposition sails..(anything else is LAZY)

Just sayin!

For mine we are lucky to be where we are on the table... CCM must get back to basics and play percentage football! Stop (seemingly) dwelling on last hoorahs! get back to doing what they are good at and that is being hungry and believing!

Brismariner.. COYY!!!

Oh FFS. Summarised, that just says "try harder, get stuck in, go forward!!!"

Or in other words, nothing more nuanced than I was hearing from my U8s coach in the late 90s.

 

[nebakke]

. nebbake and big al ... i tend to agree (and believe i had said as much previously). i don't think we are more creative per se ... but the 'participation' levels have increased. it was evident with both mikey and flores ... sometimes it was 'get the ball to them to create their magic' other times it was 'i have done my job getting the ball to them, i can sit back and watch the magic'

. the way we were playing as well seemed to be creating a huge gulf between flores and those behind him so he was often isolated - he could always go back but his instincts (rightly so) were telling him to attack ... hence the flick and trick mentality to get the ball to our only striker. that is ok for that occasional piece of magic, but not so good every time the ball comes to you (which was a lot)

. those guys are most dangerous when they have options because the opposition are caught in two-minds ... and we simply weren't giving them enough attacking options. this was partly due to our slow transitions and partly due to players not making themselves available - in a different position - once they had made their pass to the magicians

Fair enough BG, there was no slight intended Personally, I just accept that my understanding of the game is rather limited, so probably a 50/50 chance that I spout rubbish whenever I make a claim... This is the Internet though, so that shouldn't keep one from commenting anyway
Case-in-point actually, I had only really thought about it from the point of view of targeted passing options - the ball always moving to them, but not so much about the effect afterwards. The faint outlines of last year, could be seen several times yesterday, with Wings/Backs overlapping and working for each other.. That's always been my favorite 1-2 and occasionally 3, just looks good

 

[nebakke]

The other point that raises my blood pressure is lazy feet... To explain this you can increase your teams percentage of pass completions if you make an effort to get to the ball first! Too many times mid fielders or strikers will let the ball run past them to a waiting defender because the pass wasn't directly at their feet.. Stop being princes and work harder to make your mates pass look good!

THIS!!! OH SO VERY MUCH THIS!!!!... Macca was a serial offender at this last season, particularly at the beginning of the season, it was an ongoing source of frustration to me, seeing him ball watch, in the opposition half, almost on his own, with the ball rolling past a couple of meters away... Tbf this would generally be with his back to the goal, if it went between him and goal, he'll usually pounce... I know that forwards aren't generally expected to defend much, but that doesn't mean that they should only work when their team is in an attacking position.

 

[Big Al]

We were first to everything for the first 40mins on Sunday. Effort was not the problem it was cohesion.

The standing still after the pass is a major problem no movement means no options. A couple of times I saw the passer pass down the line & stop. Not just out of the way either they'd sometimes stop close to the player they passed it to cutting down their space to run or pass & bringing a 2nd defender to the reciepiant.

However there are two Dukes IMO when it comes to effort - The striker will run all day to get any scraps. The right winger will run when he has or is getting the ball but doesn't have the same effort deeper in defence. This could be the system & what is required but sometimes he appears out of place for the outlet or the cut off. Holger's worst decision was to play him there & Arnie's worst was to go yeah I liked that & Mossies is to still be listening to both of them.
Duke up front or not at all.

 

[scottmac]

Yes, but this time next week we could be out of the six.

But right now we ARE in 3rd. Not could be or may be. We are.
As for MC, he is dead last.

 

[sydmariner]

But right now we ARE in 3rd. Not could be or may be. We are.
As for MC, he is dead last.

So MC out?

 

[Roy Law]

McBreen has been our penalty taker all last season, Flores only took over in his absence. Of course McBreen was going to take that penalty and you would have struggled to get the ball off him.

I would be curious to know the number of penalty attempts taken by your list of alter

But hey, do not let that stop you taking the chance to pile shit on Hutchy, you are obviously much more experienced and knowledgeable about the teams ability than he or the coach.

Simon has taken a penalty, against Perth Glory, and missed

 

[adz]

TBF the list of players who've missed a penalty for us would be pretty long

 

[BrisRecky]

TBF the list of players who've missed a penalty for us would be pretty long

just about everybody has had a go havent they?

 

[dibo]

When even Mat Ryan has had a go (and missed) then we've plumbed the depths.

 

[BrisRecky]

Oh FFS. Summarised, that just says "try harder, get stuck in, go forward!!!"

Or in other words, nothing more nuanced than I was hearing from my U8s coach in the late 90s.

Dont bark at me...I didnt write it

 

[Gratis]

before Simon left for Korea he and Ibini were in sync and were scoring 4 goals and game between them due to their interplay (slight exaggeration, didn't average 4 goals/game but it did happen and there were plenty o'goals)

here's hoping

 

[Wombat]

I think I've mentioned this before, but I remember Macca creaditing this sort of thing with his golden boot last year. Basically what he was saying was that his form was a combination of a different training pattern for the older blokes and the style changes leading to him receiving the ball facing goal, rather than with the back to it, the way he used to, seems reasonable that Matty would feel similarly

I'm probably going to get creamed for writing this but... I actually think we've been looking a bit more solid without Flores... I think we've had a tendency to play schoolyard-style - that is, get the ball to Flores 'coz he has mad skillz, then see what happens - this has made it easy for opposition teams to close us down and hard for Flores to do much because he's always swamped by opposition players. It's like the thing with running down the sides and crossing it in, it's easy to shut down if you know that that's the way the ball comes in every time. It feels like we're more open to alternative options when we don't have a high-quality player in the middle.
Something similar happened with Rogic last year, although the quality drop wasn't as significant, but I think some of that came from Rogic's skills as well... It's ironic that the absence of some of our technically most proficient and creative players actually leads to an increase in creativity, but that's the way it looks to me. I do wonder though, whether that doesn't also have something to do with confidence - whether it's in part a result of all the uncertainty around that team, having shaken the confidence to a point where the "safe option" is always chosen, the safe option being Flores or Weemac.
One of the strengths of the team and one of the reasons why I enjoy watching us play, is that we have little focus on individual merit... An attack can start from just about anywhere, just about any player can/has scored at some point, the boys seem to have forgotten that a bit at the start of this season.

EDIT: t and r are WAY too close on the keyboard

You can't blame Flores. When he played Monty and Hutch would sit far too deep, often side by side just in front of the back four. So they left him isolated with no support.

 

[nebakke]

You can't blame Flores. When he played Monty and Hutch would sit far too deep, often side by side just in front of the back four. So they left him isolated with no support.

I'm not blaming Flores at all, that's exactly the point... I'm blaming the team... Flores was forced to try to find his own way out because he was "the man(tm)", the entire play would build up around getting the ball to Flores, at times it was a bit like watching us play in primary school in the school yard, we had three boys that were really competitive and quite good at football, they'd always play forwards and the entire gameplan was to get the ball to them as they were the only ones who knew what to really do with it (and they'd get upset if they didn't get the ball ) - the boys have played a bit like that for the start of this season. By Flores being out, they've being out, they've been force to reinvent themselves a bit and rediscover some mroe creative options.
I'm not sure whether to blame Arnie though, as a coach he should have weeded that out, but then, how much of it is in the minds of the players?

 

[style_cafe]

I'd be very suprised if the decision hadn't been made prior to the game. There has to be a nominated penalty taker and Macca is that man. Maybe time for a rethink.

I`m not sure about that.
I would imagine that 3-4 players would be in line & a decision is made at the time.
That way if a player has an injury or is having a "crap" game he can be overlooked.

McBreen has been our penalty taker all last season, Flores only took over in his absence. Of course McBreen was going to take that penalty and you would have struggled to get the ball off him.

I would be curious to know the number of penalty attempts taken by your list of alter

But hey, do not let that stop you taking the chance to pile shit on Hutchy, you are obviously much more experienced and knowledgeable about the teams ability than he or the coach.

Of the players on the team sheet McBreen has 4 from 9 (44%) , Hutcho 0 from 1 (0%) & Sterj 6 from 7 (86%)(Foxsports)
Monty 1 from 2 50% (from memory)
Not to hard ( IN HINDSIGHT) to see who should have taken it, seeing the game was at such a crucial stage.
( ie. Do the substitution once the penalty was awarded)

But hey, do not let that stop you taking the chance to pile shit on Hutchy, you are obviously much more experienced and knowledgeable about the teams ability than he or the coach.[/quote]

I`ve remarked on Hutcho a number of times both positive & negative if you look back, but thanks for the observation of my experience & knowledge. Some may argue with you but as i`ve agreed with many of your previous posts I`ll take the compliment with thanks.

 

[eenfish]

Found this photo from the game last weekend....