R14: Mariners V SFC

[JoyfulPenguin]

I don't disagree with everything Air's said - what Dibo said about mistakes and could have been hosed etc - midfield was haphazard in structure at times - but his article lacks any semblance of reasonable balance and when he tries to lay in the boot about us being a bad place for youth - comparing Okon on the bench to GA by whether he matches him in his time upright (hilarious) or that CCM's business model is just to get young players so we can sell them... which is a smart and acceptable 'part' of our business model yet wielded as though its some kind of wicked and damning cash grab...when we are forced to find ways to survive in a small market - meanwhile the team he supports is nearly half ex-Mariners and all his major staff is - because why? You're such a wondrous pillar of Australian football? No, because you out bid us. Because why? All that incredible off field work you have done to become so commercially successful? No, because you have a bigger catchment area and nothing else.

I swear if MC got so sick enough of all these wankers and just went f**k it, I'm going nuts in spending, and we ditched our youth policy assembled the most expensive team ever and dominated the league under Okon for the next three years... what do you think they'd all be saying...

The oh so mighty mariners? Nope. They'd be writing articles about how the league is losing its soul and corporate greed strangling the true spirit of competition and being "un- Australian" or some such blathering nonsense.

Shallow, elitist wankers happily punching down the lot of em.

MC has clearly made enemies, so bashing him/CCM in the press is very popular and acceptable.

Yeah yeah we need some additional spending on our squad - everyone knows it - but more to the point we also know why it's been withheld and it's as good as that reason can get - keeping the bloody doors open.

As a fan I've called for squad spending/strengthening as strongly as any and criticised the stupid statements by MC and NSO debacle etc. But I'm personally getting sick of people casting their own baseless assertions about his character or ill intentions. Painting Charlesworth out that he's all just about a cash grab when no matter how you spin it, his one major underlying action has been to invest in a regional football club. Boy, as a businessman I find this rhetoric absurdly naive. He's lost money and id wager my left bollock that he is not looking at us as his retirement fund. And if we ever did actually come good - nor would I hold it against him. Though I'd prefer to keep my bollock.

It's so ludicrously simple, we were bleeding money and our survival comes first, belts were tightened, we suffered on field as a result - that hurts. We're a proud club with passionate fans, but they are demonstrably working hard to rectify it and making clear gains, on and off the field.

Okon is obviously doing well - he has two hands tied behind his back. But a lot of that is not even lack of spending - it's how it was actually spent.

Everyone knows this. The club is hard at work on it. Quality coach, Stadium rights, COE's, community engagement, women's league, academies...

Stick to your football magazine Kevin. We've worked twice as hard as SFC and it shows in nearly every metric. And if you can't tell how much better we are now than the past two seasons... then mate, you throw some pretty serious doubts about your football acumen or otherwise you reveal your ill will and bias.

Lost all respect for him with that article.

Fantastic post, great rebuttal FP!

 

[nebakke]

I don't disagree with everything Air's said - what Dibo said about mistakes and could have been hosed etc - midfield was haphazard in structure at times - but his article lacks any semblance of reasonable balance and when he tries to lay in the boot about us being a bad place for youth - comparing Okon on the bench to GA by whether he matches him in his time upright (hilarious) or that CCM's business model is just to get young players so we can sell them... which is a smart and acceptable 'part' of our business model yet wielded as though its some kind of wicked and damning cash grab...when we are forced to find ways to survive in a small market - meanwhile the team he supports is nearly half ex-Mariners and all his major staff is - because why? You're such a wondrous pillar of Australian football? No, because you out bid us. Because why? All that incredible off field work you have done to become so commercially successful? No, because you have a bigger catchment area and nothing else.

I swear if MC got so sick enough of all these wankers and just went f**k it, I'm going nuts in spending, and we ditched our youth policy assembled the most expensive team ever and dominated the league under Okon for the next three years... what do you think they'd all be saying...

The oh so mighty mariners? Nope. They'd be writing articles about how the league is losing its soul and corporate greed strangling the true spirit of competition and being "un- Australian" or some such blathering nonsense.

Shallow, elitist wankers happily punching down the lot of em.

MC has clearly made enemies, so bashing him/CCM in the press is very popular and acceptable.

Yeah yeah we need some additional spending on our squad - everyone knows it - but more to the point we also know why it's been withheld and it's as good as that reason can get - keeping the bloody doors open.

As a fan I've called for squad spending/strengthening as strongly as any and criticised the stupid statements by MC and NSO debacle etc. But I'm personally getting sick of people casting their own baseless assertions about his character or ill intentions. Painting Charlesworth out that he's all just about a cash grab when no matter how you spin it, his one major underlying action has been to invest in a regional football club. Boy, as a businessman I find this rhetoric absurdly naive. He's lost money and id wager my left bollock that he is not looking at us as his retirement fund. And if we ever did actually come good - nor would I hold it against him. Though I'd prefer to keep my bollock.

It's so ludicrously simple, we were bleeding money and our survival comes first, belts were tightened, we suffered on field as a result - that hurts. We're a proud club with passionate fans, but they are demonstrably working hard to rectify it and making clear gains, on and off the field.

Okon is obviously doing well - he has two hands tied behind his back. But a lot of that is not even lack of spending - it's how it was actually spent.

Everyone knows this. The club is hard at work on it. Quality coach, Stadium rights, COE's, community engagement, women's league, academies...

Stick to your football magazine Kevin. We've worked twice as hard as SFC and it shows in nearly every metric. And if you can't tell how much better we are now than the past two seasons... then mate, you throw up some pretty serious doubts about your football acumen or otherwise you reveal your ill will and bias.

Lost all respect for him with that article.

I couldn't have said it any better myself - clearly ;-)
Well put!

 

[scottmac]

Airs is a shit c**t.

Its poorly written at best and a biased load of shit at worst. An article like that gets the most response for his employer. On both sides. 442 posters will be champing at the bit to lay the boot into ccm.

 

[JoyfulPenguin]

Interview with Scott Galloway:
http://www.fourfourtwo.com.au/news/its-the-story-of-our-season-446762

 

[JoyfulPenguin]

Interview with Paul Okon:
http://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/article/2017/01/09/okon-claims-mariners-still-have-belief

 

[JoyfulPenguin]

Bio about Jake Banks and Matt Simon, Alex Wilkinson and Graham Arnold visiting:
http://www.foxsports.com.au/footbal...s/news-story/1a874a36134440b889e820d4ac9bba63

 

[JoyfulPenguin]

Video of Paul Okon's post game press conference:
http://www.ccmariners.com.au/video/central-coast-rd14-press-conference/zglltapd0vg418s11dwwgr5zs

 

[Wombat]

I promise I'm not being contrarian, but I think he has a point, and it's up to the club to prove him wrong.

I'll ignore the shit about Arnie marching about and Okon sitting down - coaches win matches on the training track, not the sideline.

We were very prone to mistakes yesterday (and every other game this year), and could've been punished severely had Izzo not had a cracker and had a couple of SFC players shown some composure in front of goal. Our goals came through a couple of good moments but this year they've been too few and too far between. On balance we absolutely could have nicked it but just as easily could've been hosed. And that's the whole problem that Airs is getting at - a bit of good luck sees us getting a point or three, a bit of bad luck sees a narrow loss turn into a shellacking.

We do make too many mistakes and our technical ability is below other sides - that's why we're struggling. It results from our squad being pretty clearly the weakest and thinnest in the league.

For all this, what he didn't write about was the fact that kids can improve, and players who look like absolute failures can turn it around.

Paul Izzo was surely on the way out (not just from the club, but likely professional football) but he's clearly worked his arse off and is a seriously good keeper now. I'd put only Vukovic and Reddy ahead of him at the moment.

We've got 16 players off contract this year. Izzo's one of them. I reckon he's earned himself a new deal, and some of the others off contract need to look to that example or a number of them are likely to not be professional footballers for much longer.

It's a long list:

• Izzo
• Adelson
• Appiah-Kubi
• Bingham
• Faty
• Ferreira
• Fletcher
• Galloway
• McDonald
• Montgomery
• Necevski
• Neill
• O’Donovan
• Poscoliero
• Roux
• Tavares

If a few of these guys find the sort of guts that Izzo has shown this year, I'd be putting us closer to finals contention than the spoon.

Even more importantly, FFA needs to sort the TV deal distributions so clubs can forward plan. Ideally it'd have been done before the January window opened so we'd be able to make improvements now knowing what we're getting from July, but the off-season leaves us with shitloads of room to move.

I understand that the cap is guaranteed to raise to $2.85m + 30% of the increase to the cash component of the TV deal. If the TV deal hits $56m a year (that's only a $16m jump on this year), then the cap is rising by $1m or so *and* we've got about $500k cap space at the current level *and* we can use the 'banking' measure to spend the "savings" from previous years then we can do some serious shopping.

Not saying MC's going to go crazy, but if someone wanted to invest in a squad there are few with greater room to move than us.

Good post Dibo.

 

[Holy]

There was a lot of things to like about yesterday's and last weeks performance, even though there still aspects were we can improve as most have posted.

It's the fight, we are up for the fight, which makes the loss / draw, as heartbreaking as they both were, a bit easier to swallow.

 

[Wombat]

Gutsy game by us but our defence was poor again. We need a quality CB Mike. We can make the 6 and you will make your money back.

Isso has improved out of sight. 8.
Storm was good defensively and sorry Storm it wasnt you it was Trent that didnt close down the cross for the 1st goal. 7.
Galloway. I see what Coach was talking about, he had a very poor game at left back, even on the Carney goal he has 3 unmarked players behind him. Did well to drive forward and look for the rebound on his goal. Something the Mids should be doing. 5.
McGing and Ascroft were sometimes unlucky but are also too flat footed and slow to react. Both 5.5

More to come......i have to go to work.

Ok, where was I.
Monty. Good game but couldn't slot the crucial pass a couple of times and why not have a dig when there is 60 secs left on the clock. The best of the mids until Pain came on. 7.5
Trent. Good game. 7
Berry. Nearly got mugged and cost us a goal in the first 10 mins. But I can see a decent player and is improving alot in a short space of time. Needs to create more. 6.
Fab. A really mixed game. Actually made a challenge and won us a throw in, in the first half with good pressure. Those two magnificent surging runs in the second half were fantastic and showed how good he can be. The penalty was dreadful. 6.
Powell. An insipid game. 5.
Roy. Good effort as usual. 6.5.

Subs.
Pain. What a second half. Brilliant stuff. Needs to start. Turned the game with a Gumprecht like performance. I wont mention the air swing when he should have scored. 8.
Appiah 6. Did well.
Rose 6.5. Looked good and more focused.

 

[true believer]

Mrs tb was still bleeding last night .
It was a hard loss to take .

 

[JoyfulPenguin]

Photo gallery from the game:
http://www.ccmariners.com.au/photo-...-five-goal-thriller-pdyv2itl87vo19g70kcg48l92

 

[pjennings]

Dibo's response to the Kevin Airs article is what should have been in the article, succinct and to the point. The only thing the Airs article proved to me was that CCMFC is a better football club that Kevin Airs is a journalist.

 

[Forum Phoenix]

Mrs tb was still bleeding last night .
It was a hard loss to take .

Yellow I hope.

 

[JoyfulPenguin]

NewsLocal article (Paul Okon liked it on Twitter):
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...s/news-story/28da54d83d33b6a30893e67ed8bb44fb

 

[pjennings]

NewsLocal article (Paul Okon liked it on Twitter):
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...s/news-story/28da54d83d33b6a30893e67ed8bb44fb

Now that is the article that Kevin Airs should have written. Same subject matter - just not snide drivel.

 

[Forum Phoenix]

Yeah that's a very good and very fair article.

"Snide drivel" Love it.

 

[scottmac]

Now that is the article that Kevin Airs should have written. Same subject matter - just not snide drivel.

I just don't agree.
Extravagantly chasing stadium rights?
Must invest in players?
At some point, quality and experience pays cash? I think pays should be costs. No quality or experience we get will pay us any "cash". We've been there before.
This article is short sighted. We are not a club that throws around cash at players to get results (disregarding what has happened previously). Not yet. The center of excellence/entertainment plans could make us an entity that doesn't have to worry about the football club running at a loss. Like the "big clubs". Horse before the cart for me. I'm sure the author is the same but we just disagree what is the horse and what is the cart.

 

[FFC Mariner]

The football club only shares an owner with the COE and it is not guaranteed that any profits it makes will flow through to CCM. He is well within his rights to pocket it, he has no obligation. It's his club he can do what he likes.

Ditto the stadium you would expect. CCM will merely be a tennant I fear given previous structures.

The best outcome if he can do his next property deal is to allow some sort of community ownership to ensure the whole point of a football club doesn't get lost in the commercial noise

I agree, he needs to keep the club alive to make it all work but with no relegation, he is under no pressure to make us successful.

 

[pjennings]

I just don't agree.
Extravagantly chasing stadium rights?
Must invest in players?
At some point, quality and experience pays cash? I think pays should be costs. No quality or experience we get will pay us any "cash". We've been there before.
This article is short sighted. We are not a club that throws around cash at players to get results (disregarding what has happened previously). Not yet. The center of excellence/entertainment plans could make us an entity that doesn't have to worry about the football club running at a loss. Like the "big clubs". Horse before the cart for me. I'm sure the author is the same but we just disagree what is the horse and what is the cart.

I actually agree with your view. My point was more to do with the subject of the weekends game and the coverage by the two authors. I want my team still here on the coast - not moved or broke. Spending money on the squad without addressing additional revenue streams is not the way to go.