FFC Mariner
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the back flip in the 1st half was pretty dumb as well - cant move my head now
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FFC Mariner
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dinamo - only any good when the other side doesnt have a keeper
Part_Timer
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please take said conversation to dinamo thread....this is about players attitude towards fans 2nd time now on topic please
Part_Timer
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i do
Alicia
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I was thinking about this on my way to work this morning. Maybe if the players were more accessible i.e. post match etc (not at training) then maybe the criticism wouldn't be so harsh. Still deserved sometimes mind you. I think its harder to "pick on" people you see on a regular basis (yes, I know some of you still would)
clarence
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I'm in a similar boat to the views expressed by Dru and FFC.
I hate going to work on Mondays after a Mariners loss. Or having to tell people at work that our ACL player roster is the same people we have now + a returning player and an ex Perth Glory squaddie who didn't make their first XI, plus a few kiddies.
There is a certain level of same old, same old, with a smear of financial prudence that either implies they are out of money or think they can get away with signing cheap players and still retain the same crowds.
In all, it is hard to defend over the coffee table at work and it is also hard to convince the manager of the family's finances when the season ticket issue rises again.
I have done some away games in the past seasons but this season was just too hard to get time off work unfortunately.
I agree with what FFC said about the players realising that the comments are not so much a direct attack upon them personally, it's more about their skills as a player and the way they approach the game. Their workplace performance is what is often brought under question, or their ability to cope with the demands of the A-League level of Football.
Like FFC, I'm sure if my workplace performance dropped or I wasn't coping with the demands of my usual week at work, then I would be having a call to come up to the boss's office to have a chat with them.
It is sad that they have so much time on their hands to trawl through the comments here and then decide to think, well, stuff the supporters. Maybe they should get more involved with some charity work or do a TAFE course?
If the players are reading this, maybe they should ask themselves if they were doing another job, would they fork out some serious $$ to travel and support the Mariners, particularly to the level that the likes of Dru, Serious and MarinerMum have done over the seasons?
Any decent follower of football would quickly realise this isn't the EPL and despite that, the supporters are putting their money down, hassling their employers for time off, defending the team over talks at lunch etc. I have a lot of respect for the people behind the travels I have read about here, and respect them for putting their money where their mouth is by going out of their way to do this travelling or hassling work for time off during the season and losing a day's pay.
The players would easily argue that they deserve more money, some even believe they could do better overseas and even have aspirations of playing in a premier league in Europe.
Believe me, if they think that our supporters are a bunch of thankless so-and-sos, maybe they should be ringing Fergie up in Townsville and asking him what it is like to live in a dead set Football town like Glasgow! Sure you get more money, but you pay the price with the loss of anonymity. At least here, they go to the shops or have a few drinks with friends at the local without too much hassle.
Late edit: Re: Alicia and Sean's comments about them being accessible and maybe not saying what we say here, to their face. I tend to think if they were more accessible, it would be harder for the season ticket holders to make up whether to renew or not, or to make really biting comments on this forum. But the decision to be less accessible if THEIR decision and maybe the harder comments about their performances is a side effect of that decision.
Sean, I notice you tend to think we wouldn't say what we say here, to their faces. TBH, I would be critical but maybe not so blunt.
To correlate with FFC's analogy about workplace performance, many of those who are unhappy about the Mariners' performances lately would just drift away and not renew the season ticket or bother turning up at any Mariners events.....like many customers tend to do when a business' products aren't the best. The Mariners should be more worried about what is not being said and by whom.
I hate going to work on Mondays after a Mariners loss. Or having to tell people at work that our ACL player roster is the same people we have now + a returning player and an ex Perth Glory squaddie who didn't make their first XI, plus a few kiddies.
There is a certain level of same old, same old, with a smear of financial prudence that either implies they are out of money or think they can get away with signing cheap players and still retain the same crowds.
In all, it is hard to defend over the coffee table at work and it is also hard to convince the manager of the family's finances when the season ticket issue rises again.
I have done some away games in the past seasons but this season was just too hard to get time off work unfortunately.
I agree with what FFC said about the players realising that the comments are not so much a direct attack upon them personally, it's more about their skills as a player and the way they approach the game. Their workplace performance is what is often brought under question, or their ability to cope with the demands of the A-League level of Football.
Like FFC, I'm sure if my workplace performance dropped or I wasn't coping with the demands of my usual week at work, then I would be having a call to come up to the boss's office to have a chat with them.
It is sad that they have so much time on their hands to trawl through the comments here and then decide to think, well, stuff the supporters. Maybe they should get more involved with some charity work or do a TAFE course?
If the players are reading this, maybe they should ask themselves if they were doing another job, would they fork out some serious $$ to travel and support the Mariners, particularly to the level that the likes of Dru, Serious and MarinerMum have done over the seasons?
Any decent follower of football would quickly realise this isn't the EPL and despite that, the supporters are putting their money down, hassling their employers for time off, defending the team over talks at lunch etc. I have a lot of respect for the people behind the travels I have read about here, and respect them for putting their money where their mouth is by going out of their way to do this travelling or hassling work for time off during the season and losing a day's pay.
The players would easily argue that they deserve more money, some even believe they could do better overseas and even have aspirations of playing in a premier league in Europe.
Believe me, if they think that our supporters are a bunch of thankless so-and-sos, maybe they should be ringing Fergie up in Townsville and asking him what it is like to live in a dead set Football town like Glasgow! Sure you get more money, but you pay the price with the loss of anonymity. At least here, they go to the shops or have a few drinks with friends at the local without too much hassle.
Late edit: Re: Alicia and Sean's comments about them being accessible and maybe not saying what we say here, to their face. I tend to think if they were more accessible, it would be harder for the season ticket holders to make up whether to renew or not, or to make really biting comments on this forum. But the decision to be less accessible if THEIR decision and maybe the harder comments about their performances is a side effect of that decision.
Sean, I notice you tend to think we wouldn't say what we say here, to their faces. TBH, I would be critical but maybe not so blunt.
To correlate with FFC's analogy about workplace performance, many of those who are unhappy about the Mariners' performances lately would just drift away and not renew the season ticket or bother turning up at any Mariners events.....like many customers tend to do when a business' products aren't the best. The Mariners should be more worried about what is not being said and by whom.
I love the club. The players and coach have jobs to do for the club, and the critisism they get from a small town like the CC, is nothing like they would get in london or madrid or milan. As said in goal, the name on the front of the shirt, is more important than the one on the back.
That said gumps, porter, dmac, sonic and clarky are sitting highest on my hero count.
That said gumps, porter, dmac, sonic and clarky are sitting highest on my hero count.
FFC Mariner
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As a parent or indeed a coach, all you ever ask of kids is that they go out and give the very best that they have.
You cant ask for any more than that and I suspect Jesus' list is the way it is because all of those players go onto the pitch and give everything they have.
I can live with shit results if I sense that they have busted their arses for 90 minutes and played the way they were told to.
You cant ask for any more than that and I suspect Jesus' list is the way it is because all of those players go onto the pitch and give everything they have.
I can live with shit results if I sense that they have busted their arses for 90 minutes and played the way they were told to.
clarence
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Bearinator said:
I don't think that's a fair thing to do Bearinator. I don't think mariners_4_ever was threatening to out anyone, just challenging folks to say it to the players and or Lawrie's face at training. (Personally I think that would be the dumbest thing to do, as they'd be very busy doing the training and not caring a shite about someone turning up wanting to say their piece.)
I'm also sure a number of the players know who Keensy is, or who FFC, Sean or you may be etc. and where to find you. So it is not like they do not have the opportunity to ask the question about some comment made by a small number of folks they know & who use the forum, if it bothers them that much.
Sean
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clarence said:
Yeah I agree, but how many professionals are going to listen to technical advice from fans? There would be things I would say to the players about their game what I liked and what they were unlucky with etc
The players should know better to keep of these forums, and keep up the appearances at post match functions, and public events as most of the members of CCM are not on this forum and would only keep up the positive support that a member would provide at these events. The more they choose shun their fans, US on this forum and MEMBERS included, by not participating in these functions would definitely lead to more disgruntled people signing up to this forum starting a stupid thread and venting their anger as an outlet of their frustration as to why they bought their membership.
I think if the players are going on about how theyre aware of the stuff on this forum, they should ignore anything posted on this forum, focus on their job and stop using us (especially the supporters in The Bay) as the scapegoat for the negative cloud that has been hanging over the club for the last few weeks.
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