Piss Ants V Mariners

[Pirate Pete]

‘We got it wrong’: Refs boss’ admission after controversial calls cost Mariners​

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/soccer...sial-calls-cost-mariners-20210220-p5749p.html

 

[Pirate Pete]

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A-League referees boss Strebre Delovski conceded officials were wrong to award two highly controversial penalties against the ladder-leading Central Coast Mariners which swung Friday night’s match in Adelaide United’s favour.
Adelaide won 3-2 after a hat-trick of penalties scored by Socceroo Tomi Juric, but incensed Mariners coach Alen Stajcic said his players felt like they had been “robbed”.

Mariners coach Alen Stajcic speaks with referee Adam Fielding after the full-time whistle on Friday.Credit:Getty
The Mariners led twice but the two spot kicks in question - which both involved Reds skipper Stefan Mauk, who has since been a target of fan abuse on social media - allowed Adelaide to draw level at Coopers Stadium.
Delovski, Football Australia’s director of referees, said he spoke with Stajcic and Mariners chief executive Shaun Mielekamp about the incidents.

“It’s important to come out and people to understand where we’re coming from - we got it wrong, we made an error and we’re human,” he said.
“We’ll coach the referees through that and we want to see the improvement there. Apart from one or two decisions this year, we’ve been good.”
Delovski said referee Adam Fielding was wrong to call the first penalty, because Mauk initiated contact with Central Coast defender Ruon Tongyik while contesting the ball.
Kurt Ams, the video assistant referee, was also wrong to not call Fielding to the sideline for a review of the decision.
“The defender has done nothing wrong, he just stands there, and the Adelaide attacker is the one that initiates the contact,” Delovski said. “We are coaching our [VAR] guys to keep a high bar of level of intervention ... but the VAR has interpreted it incorrectly.”


Fielding should also not have blown for the second penalty, Delovski said. Josh Nisbet was pinged for dragging down Mauk with his arm - but because both players were holding each other, the VAR was right to not step in.
“It would have been better if we played on,” he said. “From a VAR point of view ... there is holding from both players, including the Central Coast player, this is normal contact, so those are the facts and those facts are not clearly wrong.”
As for the third penalty, which gave Adelaide the lead in the 85th minute after a VAR intervention, the decision to ping Kye Rowles for handball was correct and in line with the current interpretation of the rule because the ball deflected onto his hand, which was in an “unnatural position”, Delovski said.
A frustrated Stajcic, who declined to speak to Fox Sports immediately after the match, tried to bite his tongue in his press conference.

“What do you want me to say?” he said. “The players probably feel they were robbed, the whole world’s against us - that type of feeling. Whether that’s true or not, that’s how we feel.”

 

[FFC Mariner]

Exactly ....I highly doubt this shit happens in the NPL and below

Oh yes it does. The refs can be worse sadly

 

[Pirate Pete]

Oh yes it does. The refs can be worse sadly

My understanding is the lower leagues is where most to the dodgy betting goes on.

Players, refs taking a backhander in the lower league games is easier for the betting syndicates.

 

[Tim]

There is no doubt in my mind we should have beaten a very average Adelaide side irrespective of the ridiculous penalties. However, those 3 decisions were simply horrendous! Kurt Ams has had an issue with CCM for some time and truly should not be allowed to officiate a CCM game again unless he can clearly and precisely explain why those calls were made and how they are, in any way, justifiable in light of the VAR’s role and his obvious influence over the referee. As for the celebrations re Juric scoring a hat trick, I’m sorry but 3 pens is hardly a great day out for a striker (other than on the scoresheet and the skill it takes to convert from the spot).

I hold no malice towards Adelaide because they simply took advantage of the situation. After the first pen, Maulk realised he could milk another and did so with Nesbit. While I dislike gamesmanship, I do not blame a player taking advantage of the circumstances, particularly when his side is in a hole. The fault clearly lies primarily with Kurt Ams and he should be stood down at the very least for incompetence and more likely, something far more sinister...

 

[style_cafe]

In all seriousness, besides Mauk being a cheating twat, Juric could have shown some measure of decency like these other players...

 

[ballantyne]

If you don't have convincing evidence of graft, this thing is over. The VAR and latest laws on offside and handball in the box are changing the game. It's lovely to celebrate a goal, but not like it was. It's horrible to see a refereeng error, even worse to see it made by four rather than two refs, but this is our lives now.
We move on.

 

[FFC Mariner]

So Stebre admits the 1st 2 were wrong. No shit Sherlock. You may be stunned to know he plans to do nothing about it.
Bunch of dodgy wankers
Can you imagine this happening to Sydney? No, nor can I

 

[JackMariner]

‘We got it wrong’: Refs boss’ admission after controversial calls cost Mariners​

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/soccer...sial-calls-cost-mariners-20210220-p5749p.html

Headline from Fox Sports‘There is no football god’: Utter ‘disgrace’ as THREE ‘ridiculous’ calls mar A-League.​

It was the most bizarre Adelaide United match played at Hindmarsh Stadium in living memory on Friday.
It was the night when video killed the Central Coast Mariners as Tomi Juric scored a hat-trick of penalties to win the game 3-2.

It was first time the Mariners ventured outside of NSW for this A-League campaign and they didn’t look like tourists at all in Adelaide but three VAR decisions played a big part in the result.

 

[style_cafe]

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A-League referees boss Strebre Delovski conceded officials were wrong to award two highly controversial penalties against the ladder-leading Central Coast Mariners which swung Friday night’s match in Adelaide United’s favour.
Adelaide won 3-2 after a hat-trick of penalties scored by Socceroo Tomi Juric, but incensed Mariners coach Alen Stajcic said his players felt like they had been “robbed”.

Mariners coach Alen Stajcic speaks with referee Adam Fielding after the full-time whistle on Friday.Credit:Getty
The Mariners led twice but the two spot kicks in question - which both involved Reds skipper Stefan Mauk, who has since been a target of fan abuse on social media - allowed Adelaide to draw level at Coopers Stadium.
Delovski, Football Australia’s director of referees, said he spoke with Stajcic and Mariners chief executive Shaun Mielekamp about the incidents.

“It’s important to come out and people to understand where we’re coming from - we got it wrong, we made an error and we’re human,” he said.
“We’ll coach the referees through that and we want to see the improvement there. Apart from one or two decisions this year, we’ve been good.”
Delovski said referee Adam Fielding was wrong to call the first penalty, because Mauk initiated contact with Central Coast defender Ruon Tongyik while contesting the ball.
Kurt Ams, the video assistant referee, was also wrong to not call Fielding to the sideline for a review of the decision.
“The defender has done nothing wrong, he just stands there, and the Adelaide attacker is the one that initiates the contact,” Delovski said. “We are coaching our [VAR] guys to keep a high bar of level of intervention ... but the VAR has interpreted it incorrectly.”


Fielding should also not have blown for the second penalty, Delovski said. Josh Nisbet was pinged for dragging down Mauk with his arm - but because both players were holding each other, the VAR was right to not step in.
“It would have been better if we played on,” he said. “From a VAR point of view ... there is holding from both players, including the Central Coast player, this is normal contact, so those are the facts and those facts are not clearly wrong.”
As for the third penalty, which gave Adelaide the lead in the 85th minute after a VAR intervention, the decision to ping Kye Rowles for handball was correct and in line with the current interpretation of the rule because the ball deflected onto his hand, which was in an “unnatural position”, Delovski said.
A frustrated Stajcic, who declined to speak to Fox Sports immediately after the match, tried to bite his tongue in his press conference.

“What do you want me to say?” he said. “The players probably feel they were robbed, the whole world’s against us - that type of feeling. Whether that’s true or not, that’s how we feel.”

Delovski states "the decision to ping Kye Rowles for handball was correct and in line with the current interpretation of the rule because the ball deflected onto his hand, which was in an “unnatural position”,

The current laws state:-
It is an offence if a player:

• deliberately touches the ball with their hand/arm, including moving the hand/arm towards the ball
• scores in the opponents’ goal directly from their hand/arm, even if accidental, including by the goalkeeper
• after the ball has touched their or a team-mate’s hand/arm, even if accidental, immediately:
  • scores in the opponents’ goal
  • creates a goal-scoring opportunity
• touches the ball with their hand/arm when:
  • the hand/arm has made their body unnaturally bigger
  • the hand/arm is above/beyond their shoulder level (unless the player deliberately plays the ball which then touches their hand/arm

The above offences apply even if the ball touches a player’s hand/arm directly from the head or body (including the foot) of another player who is close.

Except for the above offences, it is not an offence if the ball touches a player’s hand/arm:

• directly from the player’s own head or body (including the foot)
• directly from the head or body (including the foot) of another player who is close

It seems that Delovski is wrong in his interpretion of the law as the ball is deflected from the Rowles` foot up into his face/hand. In all the replays of the incident though it is inconclusive that it actually hits his hand.
If the boss of the referees can`t get it right after reviewing it then we`re f**ked !!

 

[BrisRecky]

Just catching up with a mate in Arizona (who I successfully turned Coastie) and his fiancé ,a lovely Mexican girl with a huge love for Club America in the Mexico Comp ...she just told me , Mexican refs suck , and to quote, GODDAMN that dude who did the Mariners game was crazy man ....I concurred....the f**kknuckle brothers are infamous worldwide (well Aussie and Arizona anyway)

 

[JackMariner]

In all seriousness, besides Mauk being a cheating twat, Juric could have shown some measure of decency like these other players...

It seems that a prerequisite to become an Adelaide United player is to become a willing subject to forgo all decency and be quite happy to be converted into a complete arsehole(just like their woeful state premier).

 

[BrisRecky]

Just watching the kayo mini of Barca v Alaves and either Kuolity’s goal was a copy of Messi or visa verse ...ie off the post past the keeper

 

[Ironbark]

Rematch is the only fair option. But the outcome is we get screwed. At least it's acknowledged for once

 

[BrisRecky]

Rematch is the only fair option. But the outcome is we get screwed. At least it's acknowledged for once

f**k fair ...we got 2 legit goals , Adelaide don’t deserve a second shot at beating , drawing , or losing to us

 

[Huddo]

I can confirm from an extremely reliable source rowles said to the ref “you're a f**king disgrace”

 

[greenlig]

I can confirm from an extremely reliable source rowles said to the ref “you're a f**king disgrace”

I think Delovski commented on that in the article above where he said "so those are the facts and those facts are not clearly wrong."

 

[Huddo]

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A-League referees boss Strebre Delovski conceded officials were wrong to award two highly controversial penalties against the ladder-leading Central Coast Mariners which swung Friday night’s match in Adelaide United’s favour.
Adelaide won 3-2 after a hat-trick of penalties scored by Socceroo Tomi Juric, but incensed Mariners coach Alen Stajcic said his players felt like they had been “robbed”.

Mariners coach Alen Stajcic speaks with referee Adam Fielding after the full-time whistle on Friday.Credit:Getty
The Mariners led twice but the two spot kicks in question - which both involved Reds skipper Stefan Mauk, who has since been a target of fan abuse on social media - allowed Adelaide to draw level at Coopers Stadium.
Delovski, Football Australia’s director of referees, said he spoke with Stajcic and Mariners chief executive Shaun Mielekamp about the incidents.

“It’s important to come out and people to understand where we’re coming from - we got it wrong, we made an error and we’re human,” he said.
“We’ll coach the referees through that and we want to see the improvement there. Apart from one or two decisions this year, we’ve been good.”
Delovski said referee Adam Fielding was wrong to call the first penalty, because Mauk initiated contact with Central Coast defender Ruon Tongyik while contesting the ball.
Kurt Ams, the video assistant referee, was also wrong to not call Fielding to the sideline for a review of the decision.
“The defender has done nothing wrong, he just stands there, and the Adelaide attacker is the one that initiates the contact,” Delovski said. “We are coaching our [VAR] guys to keep a high bar of level of intervention ... but the VAR has interpreted it incorrectly.”


Fielding should also not have blown for the second penalty, Delovski said. Josh Nisbet was pinged for dragging down Mauk with his arm - but because both players were holding each other, the VAR was right to not step in.
“It would have been better if we played on,” he said. “From a VAR point of view ... there is holding from both players, including the Central Coast player, this is normal contact, so those are the facts and those facts are not clearly wrong.”
As for the third penalty, which gave Adelaide the lead in the 85th minute after a VAR intervention, the decision to ping Kye Rowles for handball was correct and in line with the current interpretation of the rule because the ball deflected onto his hand, which was in an “unnatural position”, Delovski said.
A frustrated Stajcic, who declined to speak to Fox Sports immediately after the match, tried to bite his tongue in his press conference.

“What do you want me to say?” he said. “The players probably feel they were robbed, the whole world’s against us - that type of feeling. Whether that’s true or not, that’s how we feel.”

It doesnt mean shit if the only repercussion for a amateur level of officiating is a sorry, we'll train em better.
If a player performs poorly they are dropped, why is reffing not the same?

 

[Huddo]

I think Delovski commented on that in the article above where he said "so those are the facts and those facts are not clearly wrong."

I'm referring to the red. The point your referencing is the supposed handball

 

[shipwreck]

The only thing that could actually achieve anyone feeling better about this would be to overturn the red given to Rowles.

The result isn't going to change, the points are gone, they are going to do a rematch. BUT they could do that as a gesture of, yep he f**ked it, have this player back