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Phil Moss Thread

tsd

Well-Known Member
I was doing sound for the NPL final about 5-6 years ago with simon hill and phil moss commentating. I was setting the mics up chatting to simon, waiting for phil who was manlys coach at the time. Simon was saying that phil was a tactical genius and would one day be an a-league coach and would out smart a lot of other coaches. Interesting to see in his short time last season he came up with a solution to Brisbane and Adelade. This guy with a bit of time and some resources could be anything, should be an interesting season
 
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Big Al

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Anyone else think this is a little early?

Good on him but he hasn't even had one full season in charge. Have we really seen what he can offer the team in such short time?
No - He turned a squad torn apart & playing like shit with the coach leaving into 3rd place & maybe a Kim dipper away from going to extra time or even beating WSW in normal time.

his problem wasn't his coaching ability but the lack of players or in our case trying to find who would replace Patrick & then Trent - The corner stone defense of the GF needed to be reset & that took time.

Had many positional problems last year but got it done in the end.

Also adds stability to recruitment & the club, as mentioned previously gets on with MC.

Put it this way I don't think he did anything not to get an extention
 

localpom

Well-Known Member
No - He turned a squad torn apart & playing like shit with the coach leaving into 3rd place & maybe a Kim dipper away from going to extra time or even beating WSW in normal time.

his problem wasn't his coaching ability but the lack of players or in our case trying to find who would replace Patrick & then Trent - The corner stone defense of the GF needed to be reset & that took time.

Had many positional problems last year but got it done in the end.

Also adds stability to recruitment & the club, as mentioned previously gets on with MC.

Put it this way I don't think he did anything not to get an extention
Agreed. Mossy i think is among the best 4 coaches in the league. Time will tell of course but i can see him going far.We are lucky to have him for a while where the spotlight won't be on him too much.
 

Gratis

Well-Known Member
I'm liking this sort of talk from Mossy "we’ve been working a lot more with the ball to make sure that we create
opportunities and score goals – that’s what it’s
about this season. I think in the past we’ve
maybe relied a little bit too much on our
defensive structure and not concentrated enough
on the ball and that was certainly the case
towards the back end of last season. This
season I really want to be that team that
dictates a game with the ball, but knows that
when we don’t have it that we’re solid
defensively. "

http://www.ccmariners.com.au/article/interview-1x1-with-phil-moss/sxowmx5cd8c2170du2fh08049
 

dibo

Well-Known Member
That all sounds nice. A bit of time yet before we see if he's got the recipe right.
 

Capt. Awesome

Well-Known Member
I'm liking this sort of talk from Mossy "we’ve been working a lot more with the ball to make sure that we create
opportunities and score goals – that’s what it’s
about this season. I think in the past we’ve
maybe relied a little bit too much on our
defensive structure and not concentrated enough
on the ball and that was certainly the case
towards the back end of last season. This
season I really want to be that team that
dictates a game with the ball, but knows that
when we don’t have it that we’re solid
defensively. "

http://www.ccmariners.com.au/article/interview-1x1-with-phil-moss/sxowmx5cd8c2170du2fh08049

Yes I read this too. Got me quite excited. Last year we just didn't have it in the final 3rd. I'd love to see Duke bag a heap more goals and show his full potential.

Also that that he wants to dictate the game suggests we won't be sitting back for the whole game like last year.

Exciting times ahead. Can't wait.
 

Leigh

Active Member
Can anyone explain why our preseason started so late? We started ~ 3 weeks before the FFA Cup game? From memory other clubs started around the start of June.
 

pjennings

Well-Known Member
It seems to be a habit. We always start behind the rest. I think it comes from Andrew Clark originally. We have had ACL commitments after the final series and then we tend to 'train down' for a month after the final game. This is a different approach to most clubs. As a result our break starts later and our pre-season starts later. Expect to see the same thing at SFC next year.
 

Wombat

Well-Known Member
I'd love to know what he feels out starting 11 is because we have been very ordinary in the preseason thus far with the fringe players dragging us down.
 

Leigh

Active Member
It seems to be a habit. We always start behind the rest. I think it comes from Andrew Clark originally. We have had ACL commitments after the final series and then we tend to 'train down' for a month after the final game. This is a different approach to most clubs. As a result our break starts later and our pre-season starts later. Expect to see the same thing at SFC next year.

We should really be following what Brisbane Roar are doing. They're the one team who have been consistently better than us. And they looked great in their FFA cup match. (Point being they started their preseason long before us.)
 

scottmac

Suspended
We should really be following what Brisbane Roar are doing. They're the one team who have been consistently better than us. And they looked great in their FFA cup match. (Point being they started their preseason long before us.)
Don't agree.
We have had fitness levels better than or equal to roar for years. It's the one thing we could be guaranteed of beating them at and also what has really kept us competitive for all these years. Clarky is the biggest loss this club has had since inception.
 

dibo

Well-Known Member
Champions three times and Premiers twice in four years - we might have been fitter but Brisbane have been better.
 

scottmac

Suspended
Champions three times and Premiers twice in four years - we might have been fitter but Brisbane have been better.
No arguments there.
But that's down to the football played. Not the fitness or availability of our squad.
 

dibo

Well-Known Member
No arguments there.
But that's down to the football played. Not the fitness or availability of our squad.
I don't know (or care, frankly) about the fitness. I do know that they play football that wins matches, and it's hard to imagine that additional time and effort in pre-season doesn't have some bearing on that.

Ange's first pre-season up there was months on end of small-sided drills - Brett Taylor, former bay 16 capo, ESPN journo and now football analyst for Melbourne City wrote about it for ESPN back in 2010 in a story about the Brisbane's then-new passing game (ESPN link is dead, but it's quoted in a 442 forum post here: http://au.fourfourtwo.com/forums/default.aspx?g=posts&t=43111):

Roar play it short in search of long-term gains

By Brett Taylor
October 14, 2010

Think attractive football, think Barcelona. Given the popularity of the Premier League in Australia, you can throw Arsenal in there, too. Those clubs have something in common - they're among the very best in their respective leagues and they can afford to grow, buy and keep the best players. It's a lot easier to play attacking pass-and-move football when you have better players than your opposition.

But Brisbane Roar are proving that a high-tempo possession game is possible in the A-League, where the salary cap dictates that no one squad is any stronger or weaker than the others. Brisbane have caught the eye with their attractive play, but they're showing it can be successful, too. Ange Postecoglou's men have stormed the new A-League season, surprising most with their run to second position on the ladder by the October international break.

Brisbane's is a high-risk game but, when the risks come off, the rewards are high. So far, the spoils have come in the form of four wins and three draws, with just the solitary loss against Melbourne Victory blotting the record. Yet that 3-0 reverse at AAMI Park, where Victory pounced on errors by Roar as they tried to play out of the back, is seen by the team as a critical stage in their development. Postecoglou has told his players that they will make costly mistakes playing out from the back but that the new system will pay off in the long run if they stick to their guns.

"I thought we played well that day and got punished for making mistakes," Postecoglou recalls. "I think that galvanised the group, by showing us we will get punished sometimes but it won't stop us from doing what we're doing. We made it clear to the players we'd rather make mistakes trying to play the way we are than change the way we play. The following week, the players played exactly the same way. The players know there are no recriminations from the coaches."

Midfielder Erik Paartalu agrees with his coach's sentiments: "We played Adelaide the next week and they were at the top of the table, flying with confidence, but we tried to play the same way. That's a big theme from the coaching staff's point of view. We want to keep the ball coming out from the back or we end up like every other team just trying to play it long when we get in trouble. It is a risk but it's a great risk to take because if we can get out of those tight situations there's going to be a part of the pitch that's very open."

Passing football is not new to the A-League. Victory in particular have long shown a preference for keeping the ball on the carpet. Graham Arnold says his Mariners have a new motto of "look short before long". But Roar's system is built on more than a philosophy.

Brisbane have a very deliberate pattern of play designed to secure possession and then break the opposition down by pulling them out of position with super-fast ball movement in the attacking half. Players take minimal touches on the ball and constantly move to create an option, if not to receive the ball themselves then to open up space for a team-mate. In fact, once a move is in full swing, the players don't relate so much to their designated positions as the space on the pitch, freely interchanging places as the situation dictates.

Matt McKay, a foundation player at Brisbane, has played for or against every team in A-League history. He believes Roar are breaking new ground with their new gameplan: "I haven't seen anything quite to the extent we're doing but in saying that we've got a long way to go as well. It takes a lot of time to develop the combinations and the confidence to play like that."

To get the play started, the Roar centre backs and Paartalu form a deep triangle to secure clean possession while the full backs push high up the wings. If the opposition tries to close down those players, the likes of McKay and Massimo Murdocca drop out of midfield to create another 'out' ball, ensuring clean possession is retained. Then they start the process of systematically dismantling the opposition defence with perpetual movement of players and ball at pace. This is where Brisbane differ from their rivals. In the season of the No. 10, Roar rely on a collective effort rather than an individual one to create openings on goal.

This brand of football didn't happen by accident. Postecoglou, who joined the club midway through last season when Frank Farina was dismissed, spent the offseason recruiting players like Paartalu and impressive German import Thomas Broich with a view to implementing his gameplan. Then it was a matter of making pass-and-move second nature to his troops. He reveals: "We tailored our whole four-month pre-season around playing two touch small-sided games. All the running was in a game situation. Instead of ten minutes of running, we would play ten minutes of two-touch 4 v 4 in a small area."

It's a big investment in one particular method of play and, with no guarantee it would bring success, something of a gamble by the coach. McKay admits to being a little surprised the results have come so quickly. Melbourne Heart and Perth Glory were both torn apart, paying the price for not stacking enough numbers in Roar's midfield playground. But soon enough teams will start figuring out how to negate Brisbane's passing game, either by clogging up the midfield or forcing errors as Victory did. But Postecoglou challenges rival coaches to stop his side when they hit their peak.

"There'll be games where the opposition will try and work us out but if we keep improving it's very hard to stop," he says. "The best teams in the world are playing that way and that's the path we want to go down."

McKay repeatedly mentions the mobility of the Roar players, of which he is the epitome, as well as buzzwords like high tempo, two touch, movement. It's clear the players are thriving in this aggressive, attacking system, particularly McKay, who earned a Socceroos call-up based on his early season form.

Paartalu, largely unknown to Australian audiences, excited few with his CV of lower-tier football in the UK when signed for Roar. But the 24-year-old admits the kick-and-rush football he encountered in Scotland, while character building, never played to his technical strengths. Suddenly Australia have a talented young ball-player in the trendy 'quarterbacking' role, and he feels he's only getting better.

"When I first came in, I was playing it pretty safely," Paartalu says. "As your confidence builds, you look to go forward a bit more. A lot of midfielders in the league play the ball side to side and that's just keeping the ball, but if you can play a good ball through the middle that can really help a holding midfielder's game."

It is obvious that Roar's lack of real firepower is the factor most likely to undermine their season. Despite their domination of most matches, they have only scored nine goals in eight, four of those coming in one outing against Heart. Postecoglou might be wondering what could have happened had he not lost one player he didn't want to see cleared out, Sergio van Dijk, now leading the line at table-topping Adelaide. A further challenge is the congested fixture list, which sees them play five midweek fixtures in the next two months. We'll know by Christmas whether Roar have the efficiency in front of goal to go with their functionality in making them true contenders this campaign.

Regardless of whether the results come, the attractive football will remain. McKay's inclusion in the national team is recognition enough that the gameplan is working. Hopefully the fans will flock back to Suncorp Stadium to appreciate the A-League's most tactically progressive team.

You don't get to play that way unless your pre-season is built around it. A four-month pre-season program would mean starting in June, which isn't really possible for us now that we've had AFC CL until May and our season proper starting in October. The guys do need some time off. But our start does seem to have been pretty late, and that means that if we're trying to make fundamental changes then there's not a lot of time to bed them in in training and even less in games before the season.
 

scottmac

Suspended
I don't know (or care, frankly) about the fitness. I do know that they play football that wins matches, and it's hard to imagine that additional time and effort in pre-season doesn't have some bearing on that.

Ange's first pre-season up there was months on end of small-sided drills - Brett Taylor, former bay 16 capo, ESPN journo and now football analyst for Melbourne City wrote about it for ESPN back in 2010 in a story about the Brisbane's then-new passing game (ESPN link is dead, but it's quoted in a 442 forum post here: http://au.fourfourtwo.com/forums/default.aspx?g=posts&t=43111):



You don't get to play that way unless your pre-season is built around it. A four-month pre-season program would mean starting in June, which isn't really possible for us now that we've had AFC CL until May and our season proper starting in October. The guys do need some time off. But our start does seem to have been pretty late, and that means that if we're trying to make fundamental changes then there's not a lot of time to bed them in in training and even less in games before the season.
Your making my point dibo better than I have tried to.
The length of the pre season would have no effect to the football played if your not training to play that type of football. It does seem like a good problem to have though, not enough time in pre season cause your too successful.
 

Rowdy

Well-Known Member
He might apply to AUFC.

???
Adelaide have already appointed Guillermo Amor, their former Technical Director (& ex Barcelona legend) to replace Gombau as Coach.

Marti & Valkanis (Gombau's Assistant Coaches) will stay on as Amor's Assistants.
 

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