No chance of silverware till we learn how to defend

[FFC Mariner]

(Rant alert)

Hear hear Mick,

Porter is a quality football who is a Centre Mid. He has been converted to RB and hasnt let anyone down in that position. He is a great crosser of the ball and (while we havent seen it yet) takes a mean free kick.

None of the goals last night were down to him and I would love someone to explain to me where this constant bashing of him comes from.

Whilst he doesnt get the accolades that Matty does, his progress is as good.

Both CC juniors too

 

[northernspirit]

mattys achievements are more obvious as his contributions are goals, so thats why not that its right

 

[Gopher of Pern]

hmm I beg to differ where porter is concerned. he held the right back position much more solidly than clarky was able tonight. Once porter went into the mids they owned us down the right hand side and got 2 easy goals.

Ted,

Watch the replay tomorrow and see if Porter could have/should have done better on just about every goal.

Imagine he's a Youth player and you are trying to explain to him about what he could do better.

He has had a solid season but there are BIG problems with his game defensively and that is a worry when he's your RB.

He played solidly at RB for the first half, where the only goal came through Heff turning it over. Second half he played forward, so I don't see how he could have played better defensively. I think he did get caught a bit when he was in the middle, but he has been playing RB all year, and now he's thrown forward to take a DM spot? Asking a bit much i think.

 

[From the dug out]

hmm I beg to differ where porter is concerned. he held the right back position much more solidly than clarky was able tonight. Once porter went into the mids they owned us down the right hand side and got 2 easy goals.

Watch the replay tomorrow and see if Porter could have/should have done better on just about every goal.

When every goal came from down the Left hand side, I'm interested in how you reach this conclusion. Porter was Ok.

I too am confused with the Porter bashing when two goals came from our left, one from a keeper error and one down the middle.

Porter did get beaten by Zullo a couple of times but give me an a-league back that hasn't this season

 

[maccafacta]

Not long after we went up 1-0 the Roar missed a pretty easy chance from near the penalty spot.  If you look at the replay you should count the number of yellow shirts on or next to the half-way line.  FOUR.  Pretty basic stuff that we need to play both ends of the paddock.  And geez, did we ever miss Mile.

 

[jaypee]

I am making a point that danny is not experience to organise the players and we dont have anyone else and Boza never got 4 goals in any match this year and you need to look for a long list to find when he got 4 in a game.

Only kept one clean sheet though. Nil all at Welly! He was no saviour and we were not in a better position on the ladder when he was playing

Not only that he had Mile as well...... makes a big difference when your defense stiffens up and its not Danny's fault that Mile wasn't there last night....

 

[jaypee]

(Rant alert)

Hear hear Mick,

Porter is a quality football who is a Centre Mid. He has been converted to RB and hasnt let anyone down in that position. He is a great crosser of the ball and (while we havent seen it yet) takes a mean free kick.

None of the goals last night were down to him and I would love someone to explain to me where this constant bashing of him comes from.

Whilst he doesnt get the accolades that Matty does, his progress is as good.

Both CC juniors too

I was in the why is Porter playing RB camp at the beginning of the season but he has more than won me over. Porter will be come one of the guys our team is built around in the next 5 seasons as will Matty (if we can keep him).

What we miss at the moment is a hard arse defender/DM and a Creative mid with confidence (note we have a creative mid - just seems to be lacking in confidence as was eveident with his Aloisi style attempt at goal)

 

[Ranyen]

I will agree, the second half was really woeful. But on their defence, this was thier first game without Mile, and they had to "test the water" to see how they could play without him. Hopefully LMc will be watching the replay extensively and will fix these problem areas by next game.

Also, on Danny, all second half, I kept an eye on him & I couldn't see him giving any instructions what so ever to the other players.

 

[pjennings]

(Rant alert)

Hear hear Mick,

Porter is a quality football who is a Centre Mid. He has been converted to RB and hasnt let anyone down in that position. He is a great crosser of the ball and (while we havent seen it yet) takes a mean free kick.

None of the goals last night were down to him and I would love someone to explain to me where this constant bashing of him comes from.

Whilst he doesnt get the accolades that Matty does, his progress is as good.

Both CC juniors too

I was in the why is Porter playing RB camp at the beginning of the season but he has more than won me over. Porter will be come one of the guys our team is built around in the next 5 seasons as will Matty (if we can keep him).

What we miss at the moment is a hard arse defender/DM and a Creative mid with confidence (note we have a creative mid - just seems to be lacking in confidence as was eveident with his Aloi$i style attempt at goal)

Rather than attacking Smitta - I was really surprised at how well Osman played as one of the two DM. In the first half we looked a lot tighter. The only goal coming from the Heff turnover. Very disappointed in Heff - starting with him losing the ball and just watching the result. He has speed he should have at least turned and hassled someone. 

 

[David Votoupal]

The defence has been a big problem all season although Sydney, Newcastle and Perth all have worse defensive records. You wonder how much Tony Vidmar's influence in the defence has been missed?

 

[Ted]

The defence has been a big problem all season although Sydney, Newcastle and Perth all have worse defensive records. You wonder how much Tony Vidmar's influence in the defence has been missed?

To a degree yes, but the loss of Tommy P and now Jedi has been more dire for us IMO. Defence starts at the front and a break down in midfield will send this balance off kilter with the backs getting pummeled.

 

[MANUMAN]

Blind fredie could see heff was being completely outplayed which caused us major problems in defence why did lawrie continue with him for so long by the time he was subbed it was all to late.As the ground announcer said pre game Lawrie the legend ,idont think so, is he the right man to lead this team ? .Bring back Bozza Vukovic is overated in my opinion doesnt organise his defence ,rarely comes off his line to take a ball ,kicks the ball out of play far to often for my liking,has plenty of work to do on his game before being labelled a good keeper.We would have come away with a valuable point had Bozza been between the sticks.Open up the purse strings Lawrie and ad some quality defenders to the squad or your wasting your time turning up for the ACL

 

[marinermick]

Blind fredie could see heff was being completely outplayed which caused us major problems in defence why did lawrie continue with him for so long by the time he was subbed it was all to late.As the ground announcer said pre game Lawrie the legend ,idont think so, is he the right man to lead this team ? .Bring back Bozza Vukovic is overated in my opinion doesnt organise his defence ,rarely comes off his line to take a ball ,kicks the ball out of play far to often for my liking,has plenty of work to do on his game before being labelled a good keeper.We would have come away with a valuable point had Bozza been between the sticks.Open up the purse strings Lawrie and ad some quality defenders to the squad or your wasting your time turning up for the ACL

if bozza was better why was his goals conceeded record worse?

 

[scottmac]

(Rant alert)

Hear hear Mick,

Porter is a quality football who is a Centre Mid. He has been converted to RB and hasnt let anyone down in that position. He is a great crosser of the ball and (while we havent seen it yet) takes a mean free kick.

None of the goals last night were down to him and I would love someone to explain to me where this constant bashing of him comes from.

Whilst he doesnt get the accolades that Matty does, his progress is as good.

Both CC juniors too

I believe the goals were down to his positional switch, not him directly. Osman played well beside Hutch in the first half and they were everywhere, trying to negate the abscence of Jedi.

Why was it changed???

I think LM wanted Clark on Zullo??? Wrong decision IMO. LM stuffed that replacement at half time then took too long to change it when it was obvious that something needed to be done.

 

[Razorback]

(Rant alert)

Hear hear Mick,

Porter is a quality football who is a Centre Mid. He has been converted to RB and hasnt let anyone down in that position. He is a great crosser of the ball and (while we havent seen it yet) takes a mean free kick.

None of the goals last night were down to him and I would love someone to explain to me where this constant bashing of him comes from.

Whilst he doesnt get the accolades that Matty does, his progress is as good.

Both CC juniors too

I believe the goals were down to his positional switch, not him directly. Osman played well beside Hutch in the first half and they were everywhere, trying to negate the abscence of Jedi.

Why was it changed???

I think LM wanted Clark on Zullo??? Wrong decision IMO. LM stuffed that replacement at half time then took too long to change it when it was obvious that something needed to be done.

Incorrect. Osman was subbed due to injury. Only real option for him

 

[marinermick]

hip flexor injury

 

[bee_86]

Blind fredie could see heff was being completely outplayed which caused us major problems in defence why did lawrie continue with him for so long by the time he was subbed it was all to late.As the ground announcer said pre game Lawrie the legend ,idont think so, is he the right man to lead this team ? .Bring back Bozza Vukovic is overated in my opinion doesnt organise his defence ,rarely comes off his line to take a ball ,kicks the ball out of play far to often for my liking,has plenty of work to do on his game before being labelled a good keeper.We would have come away with a valuable point had Bozza been between the sticks.Open up the purse strings Lawrie and ad some quality defenders to the squad or your wasting your time turning up for the ACL

AGREED!!!

 

[penwingman]

Blind fredie could see heff was being completely outplayed which caused us major problems in defence why did lawrie continue with him for so long by the time he was subbed it was all to late.As the ground announcer said pre game Lawrie the legend ,idont think so, is he the right man to lead this team ? .Bring back Bozza Vukovic is overated in my opinion doesnt organise his defence ,rarely comes off his line to take a ball ,kicks the ball out of play far to often for my liking,has plenty of work to do on his game before being labelled a good keeper.We would have come away with a valuable point had Bozza been between the sticks.Open up the purse strings Lawrie and ad some quality defenders to the squad or your wasting your time turning up for the ACL

Danny hasn't got the experience of Bozza theres no doubt, but he is still a very good keeper despite his Lapses in concentration and positioning sometimes. e doesnt kick it out as much as some, in the Last match up against Sydney there keeper knocked out at least 4 in one half.
As for coming off the line i think he is more selective when to do that due to past experiences.

Lastly i think the comments you made about Lawrie are a bit harsh. it's a bit like the old saying you can lead a horset o water but you cant make it drink.

 

[David Votoupal]

The defence has been a big problem all season although Sydney, Newcastle and Perth all have worse defensive records. You wonder how much Tony Vidmar's influence in the defence has been missed?

To a degree yes, but the loss of Tommy P and now Jedi has been more dire for us IMO. Defence starts at the front and a break down in midfield will send this balance off kilter with the backs getting pummeled.

A Jedinak replacement is a priority before the ACL campaign starts. Adelaide United strengthened their defence before the ACL, Mariners should do the same.

I agree Pondeljak is a loss but surely everyone thought through this season that Caceres was able to step up to the plate and fill his boots?

 

[Ted]

The defence has been a big problem all season although Sydney, Newcastle and Perth all have worse defensive records. You wonder how much Tony Vidmar's influence in the defence has been missed?

To a degree yes, but the loss of Tommy P and now Jedi has been more dire for us IMO. Defence starts at the front and a break down in midfield will send this balance off kilter with the backs getting pummeled.

A Jedinak replacement is a priority before the ACL campaign starts. Adelaide United strengthened their defence before the ACL, Mariners should do the same.

I agree Pondeljak is a loss but surely everyone thought through this season that Caceres was able to step up to the plate and fill his boots?

I hope they are scouring far and wide for a suitable replacement and have been doing so since the first signs of Jedi leaving became known.