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New Mariners Coach?
- Thread starter Kareem
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Blackadder
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Jaza_SFC said:
May have the "best coach", but only a matter of time before the revolving door at Smurfs FC starts spinning again.
S
striker
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Ursus said:
No No No..... you no understand football.... Hickman was good.. he had shit players that made him look bad... e.g. that useless no 9 .... that bloke who was so SHIT I have erased his name from MY memory.
Arnold would be a disaster. Why not keep McKinna? what's wrong with him?.... he needs a few good players and we'll be fine....is Yorke still interested in CCMFC?
marinersman
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Jaza_SFC said:
I would like you to explain how you already know this after a hand full of trials.
David Votoupal
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The lest you can say is that the coming will be the sternest test for McKinna, team management and the current group of players in general.
Passing that test will be coming up with ideas and finding ways to extract yourselves out of the current slump. The first third of the season at least will paint the picture.
Passing that test will be coming up with ideas and finding ways to extract yourselves out of the current slump. The first third of the season at least will paint the picture.
David Votoupal
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Jazzie said:
Do clubs in developing countries need rich benefactors to entice a decent level coach and develop talented players? With far less than what our clubs have to work with???
marinermick
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David Votoupal said:
which clubs in particluar?
midfielder
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Anyone think the leak was on purpose...
goingtoadisco
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Could be from someone who is leaving the club soon........
Marquee
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midfielder said:
+ 1
For a club who rarely releases information about signings and speculation and continually denies rumours, which usually eventually happen (Aloisi, et al), I think this was done on purpose.
There are a few possible reasons....
1) Response to fan angst. I.e. fans unhappy about a lack of movement by the club, limited new signings, poor performance. Board may feel media speculation will create more hype and interest (see Perth Glory).
2) Unsettled members of the board. Leaking information to the media due to indifference's happening (most likely over Lawrie's position within the club)
Anyone have any others?
midfielder
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dibo said:
That's funny ... you get Arnold if you keep it up so we all shut up... you could be onto something.
FFC Mariner
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If we were a club in Europe or another "developed" football nation, Lawrie would have probably already been sacked or subject to daily speculation over his replacement.
Imagine the stories and column inches that would have to be filled if this mornings sports liftouts had only football to fill their 8 or so pages.........
These things also have a habit of becomming a self fulfiling prophecy.
(I'm not saying he should go, just that a poor run of results tends to lead to specualtion).
Its natural that the leadership of the club would be discussing the coach (dont you have performance reviews at your work?) and it looks like someone blabbed, LG was door stopped and then said something dumb (the naive not to talk to Arnold comment).
What seems to be the message is that if we have another poor year, the club will replace the coach.
not sure thats actually news TBH
Imagine the stories and column inches that would have to be filled if this mornings sports liftouts had only football to fill their 8 or so pages.........
These things also have a habit of becomming a self fulfiling prophecy.
(I'm not saying he should go, just that a poor run of results tends to lead to specualtion).
Its natural that the leadership of the club would be discussing the coach (dont you have performance reviews at your work?) and it looks like someone blabbed, LG was door stopped and then said something dumb (the naive not to talk to Arnold comment).
What seems to be the message is that if we have another poor year, the club will replace the coach.
not sure thats actually news TBH
kevrenor
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Another view - it gets a little hothouse in here, from a 442 Blogger:
"Blog: Stand By Me
Julia de Meyrick
Jun 22 2009 02:42
Whether you love him or hate him theres one thing you can say for sure about Lawrie McKinna: he is the heart and soul of the Central Coast Mariners.
If or when he leaves, it will be an exceptionally sad day for the club and he will leave a legacy that few other Australian football coaches can match.
While Lawrie is known to be uncomfortable with praise, after this week's revelation about his tenuous position as coach, it is crucial to remember that so much of what the Mariners have achieved is due to his efforts.
To say McKinna is a dedicated and highly qualified coach who has taken his squad to three out of four Finals Series playoffs, two Grand Finals, and a Premiership is only a small part of the story.
This is a man who reportedly worked for a year without pay to help set up the Mariners after the financially crippling experience he had at Northern Spirit. In every way possible, he has demonstrated a deep commitment to establishing and promoting a genuine football-loving community on the Central Coast. The stability and strength of character he has brought to the team itself can never be underestimated.
And while we are all painfully aware of the team's poor results in the past six months, it is surely McKinna's stability and leadership that offered hope for the team to revive its fortunes again in season five. Lawrie's track record rather than sentimentality should surely be enough to ensure his place as coach next season and beyond.
Sure, some Mariners fans have been critical of McKinna's recent performance, but the revelation this week that club officials were seriously considering replacing Lawrie with Arnie has been greeted with universal fan disapproval. According to the Marinators, Arnie rates only marginally above a certain football-hating journo as "the very last person who should ever be involved with CCM". Indeed, The Anti-Arnie Army (AAA) have already created a whole songbook of colourful chants which good taste prevents me from repeating.
Football is a cruel game, but with all due respect to Arnie, what on earth did the club hope to gain by replacing McKinna in this undignified fashion ?
Doesn't McKinna deserve better ? Don't the fans deserve better ?
Now I'm no Arnie-hater, but the fact that the club is said to be considering bringing in Arnie after the end of season five is, if anything, even grimmer news. What could be worse for the morale of players, fans, not to mention McKinna himself, than to have the threat of a replacement coach hanging over the season? Perhaps one of the sponsors could simply float a giant blimp over Bluetongue with Arnie's grinning face on it and the caption : "Coming soon...."
It's hard not to come to the conclusion that Lawrie is being made a scapegoat for what appears to be the club's current reluctance to spend more money on players.
A month ago, Lyall Gorman breathlessly announced : "We anticipate being in a position to announce some exciting player signings in the short term future as we step up our campaign to maintain and expand on the heights we that we have scaled with incredible consistency since our inception."
Now Chris Doig is a welcome addition (he's a big, strong, central defender - what's not to love ?) but is he "exciting" enough to bring in the casual supporters ? Is he going to help us "scale the heights" against the pumped up GCU or Fury?
Just as Newcastle did when faced with a long run of poor results, the club needs to show its commitment to the fans by buying some high quality players, and preferably a marquee player, even if this means taking financial risks.
In fact, rather than poor coaching, it could be argued that the club's failure to spend on players before the ACL was the chief reason for their disastrous campaign. Even Lawrie himself remarked "we did the best with the squad we had".
I know very little about business, but I can tell you this: if the Mariners want continued success they desperately need to rebuild goodwill from supporters which has been seriously damaged since the end of last season. Fans, and no doubt players as well, found the ACL experience demoralising. Sacking or threatening to sack the coach only adds insult to injury."
"Blog: Stand By Me
Julia de Meyrick
Jun 22 2009 02:42
Whether you love him or hate him theres one thing you can say for sure about Lawrie McKinna: he is the heart and soul of the Central Coast Mariners.
If or when he leaves, it will be an exceptionally sad day for the club and he will leave a legacy that few other Australian football coaches can match.
While Lawrie is known to be uncomfortable with praise, after this week's revelation about his tenuous position as coach, it is crucial to remember that so much of what the Mariners have achieved is due to his efforts.
To say McKinna is a dedicated and highly qualified coach who has taken his squad to three out of four Finals Series playoffs, two Grand Finals, and a Premiership is only a small part of the story.
This is a man who reportedly worked for a year without pay to help set up the Mariners after the financially crippling experience he had at Northern Spirit. In every way possible, he has demonstrated a deep commitment to establishing and promoting a genuine football-loving community on the Central Coast. The stability and strength of character he has brought to the team itself can never be underestimated.
And while we are all painfully aware of the team's poor results in the past six months, it is surely McKinna's stability and leadership that offered hope for the team to revive its fortunes again in season five. Lawrie's track record rather than sentimentality should surely be enough to ensure his place as coach next season and beyond.
Sure, some Mariners fans have been critical of McKinna's recent performance, but the revelation this week that club officials were seriously considering replacing Lawrie with Arnie has been greeted with universal fan disapproval. According to the Marinators, Arnie rates only marginally above a certain football-hating journo as "the very last person who should ever be involved with CCM". Indeed, The Anti-Arnie Army (AAA) have already created a whole songbook of colourful chants which good taste prevents me from repeating.
Football is a cruel game, but with all due respect to Arnie, what on earth did the club hope to gain by replacing McKinna in this undignified fashion ?
Doesn't McKinna deserve better ? Don't the fans deserve better ?
Now I'm no Arnie-hater, but the fact that the club is said to be considering bringing in Arnie after the end of season five is, if anything, even grimmer news. What could be worse for the morale of players, fans, not to mention McKinna himself, than to have the threat of a replacement coach hanging over the season? Perhaps one of the sponsors could simply float a giant blimp over Bluetongue with Arnie's grinning face on it and the caption : "Coming soon...."
It's hard not to come to the conclusion that Lawrie is being made a scapegoat for what appears to be the club's current reluctance to spend more money on players.
A month ago, Lyall Gorman breathlessly announced : "We anticipate being in a position to announce some exciting player signings in the short term future as we step up our campaign to maintain and expand on the heights we that we have scaled with incredible consistency since our inception."
Now Chris Doig is a welcome addition (he's a big, strong, central defender - what's not to love ?) but is he "exciting" enough to bring in the casual supporters ? Is he going to help us "scale the heights" against the pumped up GCU or Fury?
Just as Newcastle did when faced with a long run of poor results, the club needs to show its commitment to the fans by buying some high quality players, and preferably a marquee player, even if this means taking financial risks.
In fact, rather than poor coaching, it could be argued that the club's failure to spend on players before the ACL was the chief reason for their disastrous campaign. Even Lawrie himself remarked "we did the best with the squad we had".
I know very little about business, but I can tell you this: if the Mariners want continued success they desperately need to rebuild goodwill from supporters which has been seriously damaged since the end of last season. Fans, and no doubt players as well, found the ACL experience demoralising. Sacking or threatening to sack the coach only adds insult to injury."
FFC Mariner
Well-Known Member
Well done Julia, good summation
hopefully, someone at CCM will take note
hopefully, someone at CCM will take note
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