Merged Thread - Danny Vukovic Red Card (outcome page 42)

[bikinigirl]

. for one off games - such as the finals series - it has to be asian referees (not australian)

. the ffa have already made it abundantly clear the finals are about money, so why not spend a little and fly in some independent referees

. they would have no bias and no pre-conceived notions from seasons past or media influences

. may even endear the ffa to other asian nations a little

 

[Pete]

I believe it's fair to say that the HAL clubs have generally improved their administration, the players have improved their standard of playing, but the refs have stayed back in the dark ages of All Age/ State League standard of refereeing.

If it's fair to have the media commentators calling for 'imported'/South American players to improve the standard of Football in Australia, then maybe it's time for the FFA to look at importing better quality referees who can handle the pressure that Shield was under at the close of the GF?

But if they do 'import', I'd prefer it to be for a full season and not just a Finals series. That way the players can find out what levels of discipline are required, and what are the expected norms throughout the season, and not cross that line in an important match like a Semi of Final.

Sorry for being a bit off topic mods, but the ref's decision seems to have caused the uproar that led to alleged handling of the ref by Danny (and his red card).

 

[jaypee]

Or

Make the referees professional. I mean the players don't have other jobs - how else are the refs going to get better if they are not professional.

Make them pro, send them O/S for stints in the off season and pay them a good wage. Let them ref in England etc. Its the best way to improve them. Yes they are shit but we would say that about the players if they worked 5 days per week and then tried to play a game...

 

[Capn Gus Bloodbeard]

http://www.smh.com.au/news/a-league/a-bridge-too-far-for-mariners/2008/02/24/1203788135896.html?page=2
If this article is accurate, one of the officials told Shield over the earpiece about the handball - either the 4th official or the far AR.

 

[Pete]

Or

Make the referees professional. I mean the players don't have other jobs - how else are the refs going to get better if they are not professional.

Make them pro, send them O/S for stints in the off season and pay them a good wage. Let them ref in England etc. Its the best way to improve them. Yes they are shit but we would say that about the players if they worked 5 days per week and then tried to play a game...

Good point, make them professional and have them declare all their income so there's no inferrence of corruption.

But you can't merely send them to the UK and hope they get enough games there to improve them. And they might strike trouble getting working visas anyways.

The HAL has a 'skills shortage' of good consistent referees. If we do employ the current lot, make sure they go back to basics with some good hard tutoring and work their way up from the State Leagues.

In the meantime, go to the Federal Govt. & get approval to bring in Refs from other parts of the AFC, and have them officiate from the next HAL season. Will also help the players understand the AFC way of playing the game, by having refs from different parts of the AFC region.

 

[fedelta]

http://www.smh.com.au/news/a-league/a-bridge-too-far-for-mariners/2008/02/24/1203788135896.html?page=2
If this article is accurate, one of the officials told Shield over the earpiece about the handball - either the 4th official or the far AR.

You beat me to it. Was just about to talk about that story.
I can't believe how shit A-League referees are.
Danny won't get a life ban or any of that shit. Hopefully it's just a few games suspension.

 

[priorpeter]

http://www.smh.com.au/news/a-league/linesmans-hand-elbowed-us-out-says-aloisi/2008/02/24/1203788152326.html

or there's that one

 

[Capn Gus Bloodbeard]

The problem is that the FFA has a stubborn insistence on giving the FIFA-badged officials all the games, as well as their concept of 'number one match gets number one ref, number 2 match gets number 2 ref, and so forth'.
These officials might completely slump in their performance, but the FFA sticks to their concept of this official being number 1, or 2, or whatever, instead of actually judging their current performance.

I believe the fact that the same officials referee the same teams so freaking much causes problems, as does the fact that these guys are working full time then spending their entire weekends - plus several nights during the week - on football.  You try working that hard and see how good you are at your job.

The lesser ranked officials are pulling out some brilliant performances (Peter Green does pretty well), but they're still tarred with the brush of 'not being one of the top 3'.  The FFA needs to keep focussing on local officials so we can develop our own talent, but then they're ignoring development of referees by not giving these 2nd tier refs a fair go.

The lack of consistency I suspect also has a lot to do with the inspectors and whoever else is responsible for management.  These guys undoubtedly would be told how to referee for the benefit of the fans, and I suspect this changes from week to week.  The referees are not being held responsible for bad decisions (how many vicious, studs up, jumping, full contact challenges have we seen that haven't resulted in a red?), which to me places the blame on poor officiating on the people behind the scenes, possibly more than the officials themselves.

The 2nd tier officials are improving.  The AR's are improving (though a few are still ridiculously lazy and don't even bother keeping up with play - Nathan Gibson, one of the Grand Final AR's is atrocious for this, how he winds up with so much respect is beyond me), but the 2nd tier referees are not improving enough - and the top referees aren't improving at all.

Watching the last socceroos match, that ref made a few screwups, but he made our top officials look like 15 year olds on their first game, the difference was astounding. 

 

[fedelta]

It's amazing how many seminars and conferences these dickhead referees go to and they are still absolute crap. I still don't know how Shield go to referee the Asian Cup Final.

 

[Andy]

The FFA will announce today whether or not he will be sanctioned. (IMO there is no doubt he will be).

Should he get sanctioned, i highly, highly doubt that we will see him take the field next year.

Even if he doesn't get sanctioned, he will miss the first two games next year, since that was his second yellow card.

 

[Yerolo]

Jets fan here

I hope Danny doesnt get penalised too much for that one....hes a great goalie, he and Ante have really dominated the goalkeeping this year. I watched the vid clip of it and it doesnt look like much more than a high 5 (it actually looked like Sasho struck him as well)

Thanks for being good opponents....unlucky on the day.

 

[FFC Mariner]

According to Fox news, a contrite statement of apology will result in 5 or 6 games ban and a years ban suspended.

Expect the FFA to neatly make an example to "support" their referees but not rub the guy out.

 

[Kareem]

Changing nationalities won't change his status as a registered player. A ban at this level is pretty much worldwide. 

Having played for Australia as an Olyroo, wouldn't he have to wait a 3 year period after changing nationalities to qualify for another country's national selection? And, in any case, I'd suspect Danny is more Aussie than anything else.

Well if there is no 3 year wait (which remembering the cahill situation there probably is) he should do it even if he has to wait for ban to be over anyway. I would just like to see him stcik it to FFA who are getting on my nerves.

 

[skilbeck]

I believe that the referees should be allocated and employed directly by FIFA rather than the National football associations because then you eliminate corruption as well as improve the standard of refereeing and this would mean that refs are independant of uncle Frank and Ben F**kley. Plus there are some countries where incidents of corruption are rampant and this would fix that a bit.

 

[skilbeck]

Changing nationalities won't change his status as a registered player. A ban at this level is pretty much worldwide. 

Having played for Australia as an Olyroo, wouldn't he have to wait a 3 year period after changing nationalities to qualify for another country's national selection? And, in any case, I'd suspect Danny is more Aussie than anything else.

Well if there is no 3 year wait (which remembering the cahill situation there probably is) he should do it even if he has to wait for ban to be over anyway. I would just like to see him stcik it to FFA who are getting on my nerves.

Well lets just say if he were to play for Serbia I wouldnt hate him as a matter of fact I would probably develop some sort of support for the Serbian side as a result

 

[Gopher of Pern]

Changing nationalities won't change his status as a registered player. A ban at this level is pretty much worldwide. 

Having played for Australia as an Olyroo, wouldn't he have to wait a 3 year period after changing nationalities to qualify for another country's national selection? And, in any case, I'd suspect Danny is more Aussie than anything else.

Well if there is no 3 year wait (which remembering the cahill situation there probably is) he should do it even if he has to wait for ban to be over anyway. I would just like to see him stcik it to FFA who are getting on my nerves.

If he did turn his back on Australia, i reckon most everyone will be disappointed in him. I know i will be. Danny is likely to become the best keeper in Australia for the next 10 or so years. How good would it be seeing him in goals if Australia hosts the World Cup in 2018?

No one will be harder on Danny than himself. Lets hope that he doesn't get that long a ban, and comes out next season hungrier and more composed!!!

As a side note, if he gets a 5 or so match ban, that will only rub him out for Olyroos matches? He'll be fine for next season?

 

[FFC Mariner]

I think the ban only applies to domestic games. Usually, a player who is suspended for his club side is available for internationals (and vice versa).

When Breeze wrongly sent him off and he was banned for 2 games, he would have been available for the U23's.

 

[striker]

According to Fox news, a contrite statement of apology will result in 5 or 6 games ban and a years ban suspended.

Can you remember how long DiCanio got suspended when he pushed the ref at Shefield Wed.?

 

[Andy]

According to Fox news, a contrite statement of apology will result in 5 or 6 games ban and a years ban suspended.

Can you remember how long DiCanio got suspended when he pushed the ref at Shefield Wed.?

6 months I think.

 

[skilbeck]

Even with a long ban I would want him to keep training with us over that time and have Crawley working with him to keep his goal keeping sharp and he could possibly help Trott or Redmayne from behind the scenes