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Merged Thread - Danny Vukovic Red Card (outcome page 42)

Gopher of Pern

Well-Known Member
Info on Fox Sports about Danny's Appeal:

Mariners to appeal Vukovic ban
By Liam FitzGibbon
February 26, 2008 CENTRAL Coast confirmed they will appeal the "excessive" suspension which is threatening to shatter goalkeeper Danny Vukovic's Olympic dreams.

The Mariners reacted quickly to Football Federation Australia's decision to suspend Vukovic for 15 months, with six months suspended on a probationary basis, for striking referee Mark Shield in the A-League grand final.

The custodian was shown a red card in Sunday night's 1-0 loss to Newcastle after hitting Shield on the arm when a late penalty appeal was turned down.

The Mariners announced their intention to have an appeal heard "as quickly as possible" as Vukovic's hopes of becoming an Olympian remained in the balance.

The FFA were yet to determine whether the ban - set to keep Vukovic out of the A-League until at least November 24 - would carry over to international games.

Vukovic is an Olyroos regular and was certain to earn selection for the Beijing Games.

Mariners chief executive Lyall Gorman said robbing Vukovic of a chance to represent his country would be a "significant penalty."

"It's a hard one to comment on, except to say Danny won't have another opportunity to represent Australia at the Olympics," Gorman said.

Gorman met with the club's legal team this morning and prepared to present several "new facts" to the FFA they hope can have Vukovic's sentence reduced.

"We believe there is an opportunity to present some facts that the independent tribunal yesterday weren't privy to and we hope those facts will support a reduction in penalty," Gorman said.

He said Vukovic was full of remorse and believed the player's clean record meant he deserved a lesser penalty.

"We can say that Danny deeply regrets his actions and he apologised to the referee immediately after the game verbally and today he has sent a formal written apology to the referee as well as to the referee's manager of the FFA and to the FFA," Gorman said.

"I can say it's sincere. I think you all know Danny's record on and off the field and there's tremendous remorse in his action on the weekend.

"The club is of the view that the severity of the sanction for such a player of his record is excessive, despite the serious nature of the charge."
The appeal should be heard early next week.

Olyroos coach Graham Arnold said the prospect of losing his first-choice keeper for the Olympics was disappointing.

"He's played 14 (qualifying) games, he's been involved with me for two-and-a-half years, he's a senior player, he's a leader and he's a wonderful person to have around the place," Arnold said.

"He's the life and joy of the place and all the other players are down about it, he was in the hotel last night when he got the news, the kid was distraught - he was shattered."

Vukovic will miss the Olyroos' friendly against Mexico in San Francisco on Sunday because of the uncertainty over his international future.

His teammate Sasho Petrovski is also in hot water and facing a disciplinary committee hearing after allegedly using an abusive gesture towards a match official in the heated grand final.

The Mariners issued a formal apology after the FFA launched an investigation into an incident involving players Andre Gumprecht and Tony Vidmar at the Mariners' end-of-year celebrations yesterday.

Gumprecht appeared in a photograph dressed as Adolf Hitler while departing veteran Vidmar was dressed as 'God' with his face blackened.

FFA chief executive Ben Buckley described the players' actions as "stupid" while Jewish groups described the stunt as being in poor taste.

Gorman defended the character of both players, saying they did not mean to cause offence.

"On behalf of the players if any groups were offended by their dress yesterday the club and the players apologise and reiterate that no such offence was intended," he said.


AAP

And there is also a piece about ex-Roo's comments. Some are about the poor officiating.

Ex-Roos split over Vukovic penalty
By Ray Gatt
February 27, 2008 OPINION is divided over the punishment meted out to Central Coast goalkeeper Danny Vukovic after the A-League grand final on Sunday.

Vukovic was found guilty of striking referee Mark Shield in the final chaotic minutes of the Mariners' defeat to the Newcastle Jets and was handed a 15-month ban, six months of which was suspended. Some former greats of the game in Australia have labelled the suspension a "joke" and "ridiculous". Others, though, felt the penalty was appropriate for the crime.

Ray Richards, who played for Australia in the 1974 World Cup finals and Rale Rasic, the coach of that side, said they felt deeply for Vukovic, who they believe has been treated far too harshly.

"If Vukovic gets 15 months and (Newcastle Jets striker) Joel Griffiths escapes without punishment for punching a linesman in the groin, then the whole thing is a joke," Richards said.

"Don't get me wrong. I am not condoning what the lad did. It was silly. You can't touch the referee ... it's a no-no.

"But the penalty is harsh for an incident I believe has been blown out of proportion."

Richards, now a successful businessman, believes Vukovic's action was more a "get out of it", spur-of-the moment reaction than a blatant and intentional strike.

"I think Mark Shield's pride was hurt more than anything else," Richards said.

Rasic, still heavily involved in the game through his junior coaching camps and business activities, placed the blame squarely on the shoulders of the match officials.

"Of course, you cannot touch the referee ... that's the first rule you learn," Rasic said. "Danny was foolish for sure and should not have done it.

"The penalty, however, is far too tough. It's ridiculous. Should he have to pay such a heavy price of missing the Olympics for something that a lot of players have probably got away with all around the world?

"We are talking about a kid who is now going to miss the Olympics for one moment of silliness.

"Danny is a fine young man and a credit to the country. Who knows what this is going to do to him mentally.

"If anything, I blame the referee and the other officials. They all missed the most blatant penalty I have seen in a long time."

Rasic questioned the accountability process in regards to refereeing standards.

"Are the officials accountable? What punishment will they get for a mistake that could have cost the Mariners the championship?" Rasic said.

"If the referee had made that sort of mistake in Europe or South America they would have barbecued him."

Conversely, former Australia captain Paul Wade said he has no sympathy for Vukovic, 22, and suggested he was lucky to escape a harsher punishment.

"I saw the incident quite clearly and I was shocked he would do something like that," Wade said.

"He is very lucky he only got 15 months.

"The referee is sacrosanct. It doesn't matter where he struck the referee or how hard, or why. The fact is, he did it and he deserves to be punished."

Wade, who runs coaching clinics for children through schools, said Vukovic had set a bad example to kids playing the game and had made his own job harder.

"Kids are great mimics, especially when it comes to sports people," Wade said. "The kids will think they can get away with that sort of thing now."

Wade said Vukovic's behaviour and that of most of the other Mariners' players was an embarrassment and part of a wider culture in the sport that needs to be stamped out.

"There is a major lack of respect for referees and match officials, not only here, but throughout the football world," Wade said.

"I just can't stomach players surrounding referees, protesting, complaining and touching them. Our administrators have to do something now because it is totally unacceptable and getting out of hand. You don't see it in other sports."

Former Socceroos David Lowe and Paul Okon said they felt for Vukovic. Both agreed he should never have touched the referee and he deserved to be punished.

"To be honest, I thought it was more of a flick than anything else," Lowe said. "It's a tough outcome for the lad and I hope it doesn't hurt him too much in the long run."

Okon believes it will be a hard lesson for him.

"It's going to cost him, but he has only himself to blame because you just can't do those things," Okon said.
 

~Floss~

Well-Known Member
Some good views in there except I think Paul Wade's is a bit extreme.

Yes, punishment is deserved. Yes, ref's deserve more respect.

But compared to FIFA's standard of 11weeks for pushing a ref over and 22 weeks for strangling an official, 15months (64wks) for an accidental hand-tap appears ludicrous.
 

kevrenor

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~Floss~ said:
Some good views in there except I think Paul Wade's is a bit extreme.

Yes, punishment is deserved. Yes, ref's deserve more respect.

But compared to FIFA's standard of 11weeks for pushing a ref over and 22 weeks for strangling an official, 15months (64wks) for an accidental hand-tap appears ludicrous.

I agree however it wasn't accidental and it was a conscious firm push rather than a tap.
 

woodchuck

Active Member
can anyone advise me on how to start a thread from the home page, I have interesting information that you may want to read, or do I just blog here ?
 

marconigirl

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http://www.smh.com.au/news/a-league/ban-ruins-vukovics-chance-to-lead-australia/2008/02/26/1203788346689.html
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Ban ruins Vukovic's chance to lead Australia
Andrew Stevenson
February 27, 2008


DANNY VUKOVIC's pain continued yesterday with Olyroos coach Graham Arnold revealing the Central Coast Mariners goalkeeper's 15-month suspension had cost him the chance to captain his country.

The Olyroos fly out today to play a friendly against Mexico on Sunday in San Francisco with captain Mark Milligan rested with a quadriceps strain and Mark Bridge, who scored the winner for Newcastle in Sunday's A-League grand final, also missing with a hamstring strain.

Vukovic, who will appeal against his suspension for striking referee Mark Shield, was next in line for the captain's armband.

"It would have been a good chance Danny would have been captain over there against Mexico," Arnold said after team training yesterday.

"Danny's had an outstanding three years in the A-League. The fact he's not playing in the Mexico game is a huge loss for us. He played in all the qualifiers all the way through and in the last seven games we only let in one goal and he was a major factor in that."

Vukovic was in the Olyroos hotel when news came through of how seriously the grand final incident had been rated.

"All the other players are down about it," Arnold said. "The kid was distraught, he was shattered. It disrupts it [Olympics campaign] a bit because he's played 14 games, he's been involved with me for 2 years, he's a senior player, he's a leader. He's a wonderful person to have around the place because he's the life and joy of the place."

While it was unfortunate Vukovic was with the team when he heard the news, Arnold said at least he had been among friends.

"He had his mates around him to console him," he said. "We've got a special team spirit here, they're all friends and it was great to see Mark Bridge and the Newcastle boys were pretty much the ones around him the most."nice to see.

Jets midfielder James Holland, whose blatant handball in the box had sparked Vukovic's complaints to Shield, is also in the side travelling to the US.

Arnold hopes the suspension won't end Vukovic's chance of playing in Beijing but left the issue with his employer, Football Federation Australia.

"I want Danny to play for the national team I'm the coach and I want my best players available. But that's not my decision to make and I'm sure the FFA will handle things the right way," he said. "It's a matter for the judiciary to make the decision, and barristers and Danny's lawyers."

Arnold added: "Even if you take him away, with that type of ban hanging over his head, he would have been no good to us. His head would have been somewhere else."

Perth Glory's Tando Velaphi, Vukovic's back-up throughout the Olympic qualifiers, and the Wollongong Wolves' Justin Pasfield will fight for Vukovic's spot. Arnold signalled his unwillingness to draft a senior player [Olympic teams are allowed three players over 23] as cover.
 

marconigirl

Well-Known Member
woodchuck said:
can anyone advise me on how to start a thread from the home page, I have interesting information that you may want to read, or do I just blog here ?
go here http://marinators.net/forum/index.php?board=1.0 and press new topic (up the top of the page)
(or just press forum and click on the group to go into...the click new topic...) What does the topic involve? If you think it is relevent to this post then you can put it on here...
 

trev

Well-Known Member
my view is that he should be suspended but not for that long. And that crap about joel griffiths not being unable to be suspended because he was given a yellow card and was "dealt with" is BS. I heard simon hill on the back page saying it was BS because a player in england didn't even get a yellow card for hitting a AR he didn't get nothing and he got suspended after the match for touching an offical so the whole thing is BS the FFA could ban griffiths if they wanned to but they haven't.
 

brett

Well-Known Member
New theory: Danny should sign for Sydney FC and get his ban instantly halved.

It worked for Kosmina.
 

Wombat

Well-Known Member
The whole thing is a farce.

Who was on the board that handed out just a farcical ban????

Breeze by any chance?
 

kepo

Well-Known Member
brett said:
New theory: Danny should sign for Sydney FC and get his ban instantly halved.

It worked for Kosmina.
no it didn't.
he still had to spend time up in the stand...
 

dannysgirl

Well-Known Member
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,23286918-2722,00.html


'FFA shoots foot with top award"

NEWCASTLE striker Joel Griffiths conceded he is counting his blessings after becoming the second Jets player in as many seasons to win the Johnny Warren Medal.

Football Federation Australia was left with a potential public relations nightmare after Griffiths' peers voted him this season's best player in the A-League.

Griffiths, who also won the Golden Boot for most goals (12) in the season, was a runaway winner of the medal.

He received an overwhelming 394 votes - 140 more than nearest rival Alex Brosque (Sydney FC) and a whopping 237 ahead of third-placed Shane Smeltz (Wellington Phoenix).

While there can be no doubt that the classy striker was far and away the stand-out player of the season, questions were being asked whether he should have been eligible for the award after his controversial incident with a linesman in a match in October.

Television replays showed Griffiths whacking a linesman in the groin as he got off the ground following a tackle.

Remarkably, after consulting with the linesman, referee Matthew Breeze only issued him with a yellow card instead of a red.

Despite the publicity surrounding the incident, the FFA did not follow it up, saying it was bound by FIFA regulations that say no further action can be taken if the referee has already dealt with the matter on the field.

FFA chief executive Ben Buckley said yesterday the head body is in the process of reviewing its rules and regulations so that it cannot happen again.

"Let's not underestimate the season Joel has had. It has been superb and winning the Johnny Warren Medal tops it off," Buckley said.

"But I've said before, we are reviewing our rules and regulations and looking at the technicalities that may allow us to take action in future if players offend against the match officials."

The matter has come back to haunt FFA, especially in light of the sending-off of Central Coast Mariners goalkeeper Danny Vukovic in Sunday's grand final.

Vukovic was charged with striking referee Mark Shield in the dying minutes of the Mariners' 1-0 loss to the Jets and subsequently suspended for nine months. He will appeal against the decision. A renowned straight-shooter on and off the field, Griffiths was reluctant to get caught up too deeply in the issue or with Vukovic's predicament.

Asked if he was relieved nothing further happened to him at the time of his indiscretion, Griffiths replied: "Obviously. These things happen.

"It was a wake-up call for myself at the time. I regret what I did. It was embarrassing for myself, my family and my friends.

"But I moved on and I am glad I had the season I did." He would not comment about the severity of Vukovic's ban.

"The FFA dealt with that (Griffiths' issue) and have to deal with Danny. He is a good lad. Things happen in football and sometimes it is hard to control your emotions," he said.

"It's now in FIFA's hands and I hope for Danny's sake he can get to play at the Olympics because he is a great talent." Griffiths, 28, follows in the footsteps of former Jets star Nick Carle, who won the award last season and is now playing in England. Griffiths said the medal was icing on the cake following a wonderful season for him and the Jets, which almost scooped the pool with Gary van Egmond a worthy winner of the coach of the year and the club receiving the fair play trophy.

The type who throws everything into his games which often results in him getting under the skin of his opponents, Griffiths was surprised to be voted the best player by his peers.

"Yeah, I am," he said. "I'm pretty sure every team I play against and every player I play against don't really like me that much.

"But this award from the players shows they respect me as a player and I am proud and privileged to be part of a great competition like the A-League."

Understatement much?
 

FFC Mariner

Well-Known Member
The guy in the EPL who maimed Mendez (Thatcher??) was given a yellow but still charged and banned after the game.

The FFA got the sackwhacker incident completely wrong (and I expect they know it).

They could have got him for bringing the game into disrepute and charged him that way.
 
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thanman

Guest
pointy said:
Joel Griffiths gets the Johnny Warren medal,what a load of crap.
Who is Johnny Waren?  ???
First year of really getting into Australia's own league.. so it's not like I'm going to know anything.. much. lol
 
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thanman

Guest
thanman said:
pointy said:
Joel Griffiths gets the Johnny Warren medal,what a load of crap.
Who is Johnny Waren?  ???
First year of really getting into Australia's own league.. so it's not like I'm going to know anything.. much. lol
Regardless.. I feel sorry for Johnny Waren.. Griffiths has tarnished his name.
 

kevrenor

Well-Known Member
thanman said:
Who is Johnny Waren?  ???
First year of really getting into Australia's own league.. so it's not like I'm going to know anything.. much. lol

This link: http://spirit.webcity.com.au/AFN/2004-2005/O22/jw_farewell.htm
will let you know what people thought of him.

This is the football history:
Warren, John
Date of Birth: 17-May-1943
Position: Midfielder

Socceroo Honours
Total - 62 app. 9 gls.
1965 - Cambodia, Hong Kong, Taiwan, Malaysia
1967 - Scotland, Scotland, New Zealand (1 goal), South Vietnam (1 goal), Singapore, Malaysia, South Korea (1 goal), Indonesia, Jakarta XI, Singapore, Malaysia
1968 - Japan
1969 - Greece, Greece, Greece, Japan, South Korea, Japan, South Korea, Rhodesia, Rhodesia (1 goal), Israel, Israel
1970 - Kowloon Bus Company, South Vietnam Army, New Caledonia (1 goal), New Caledonia, Jardine Sports Club, Macao (2 goals), Ogheb, Iran, Tehran XI, Hapoel, Israel, Greece B, Greece, Luton Town, Manchester City, League of Ireland, Mexico
1972 - Indonesia, New Zealand (1 goal), South Vietnam Under-23, South Vietnam, South Korea, Phillipines (1 goal)
1973 - Bulgaria, New Zealand, Iran, Iran, South Korea
1974 - Ferencvaros, Ferencvaros, Indonesia, St. Gallen, Young Boys of Berne, Xamax Neuchatel, East Germany

New South Wales Representative Honours
1965 - New Caledonia (1 goal)

Playing Record
1957 - Canterbury-Marrickville (NSW Div 1)
1958 - Canterbury-Marrickville (NSW Div 1)
1959 - Canterbury-Marrickville (NSW Div 1)
1960 - Canterbury-Marrickville (NSW Div 1)
1961 - Canterbury-Marrickville (NSW Div 1)
1962 - Canterbury-Marrickville (NSW Div 1)
1963 - Budapest (NSW Div 1)
1964 - Budapest (NSW Div 1)
1965 - St. George-Budapest (NSW Div 1)
1966 - St. George-Budapest (NSW Div 1)
1967 - St. George-Budapest (NSW Div 1)
1968 - St. George-Budapest (NSW Div 1)
1969 - St. George-Budapest (NSW Div 1)
1970 - St. George-Budapest (NSW Div 1)
1971 - St. George-Budapest (NSW Div 1)
1972 - St. George-Budapest (NSW Div 1)
1973 - St. George-Budapest (NSW Div 1)
1974 - St. George-Budapest (NSW Div 1) 18 app + 1 sub. 4 gls. (6 app + 0 sub. 1 gls. in cup games)

Coaching Record
1974 - St. George-Budapest (NSW Div 1) W7-D1-L2 (10) W3-D0-L0 (3) in Finals (W3-D0-L1 (4) in cup games)

Notes
Joined St. George from Canterbury-Marrickville in 1963 in a swap for defender Alan Hetherington.
 

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