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Merged Thread - Danny Vukovic Red Card (outcome page 42)

dannysgirl

Well-Known Member
I am absolutely gutted right now. I know that what Danny did was wrong, but it wasn't worth 15 months. Not much to say that hasn't already been said. :(

He seemed a bit distracted Sunday night, like he didn't want to be there. I didn't know why at the time, I assumed he was just disappointed at losing.
But even knowing he might be facing a lifelong ban he still took the time to sign autographs and get photos with whoever asked. He's a great guy. Its such a shame, I really feel for him.
 
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thanman

Guest
Jocwa08 said:
brett said:
Also, Danny has said he is pretty keen on a move overseas. Can anyone confirm if this is a worldwide club ban? I assumed it would be, but then read that they are still considering whether to extend it to national team duties...surely a ban is a ban?

If he is able to play overseas, that was his last match for us, at least for now.

He could go to our new partnership club Sheffeild United on loan and then come back later while we take Van Stratten for a loan, if its not a worldwide ban.
The FFA ruled it.
They are afraid of FIFA.
So assuming that. I'd say worldwide.
Unless FIFA is 'kind' enough to realise FFA ruled it for just Australia.

Then.. I guess he's gone overseas..
 

graaant

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I'm almost certain that Danny will leave now, if not banned internationally - if they're still deciding whether to ban him from National games, then surely it's not a FIFA wide ban?
If he does, I highly doubt we'll ever see him in our domestic leagues again - an absolutely tragedy for the A-League! The kid could go overseas, but for the league AND for his own development, he needed another season here.

I won't be surprised if he gives the FFA the big "f**k off" now.
 

Mini In Bay 6

Well-Known Member
Jocwa08 said:
brett said:
Also, Danny has said he is pretty keen on a move overseas. Can anyone confirm if this is a worldwide club ban? I assumed it would be, but then read that they are still considering whether to extend it to national team duties...surely a ban is a ban?

If he is able to play overseas, that was his last match for us, at least for now.

He could go to our new partnership club Sheffeild United on loan and then come back later while we take Van Stratten for a loan, if its not a worldwide ban.

Perhaps the cloud will have a silver lining?
 

~Floss~

Well-Known Member
serious14 said:
The ban either has to be FIFA wide or not at all............. what's the f*ckin' point of the rule if it's not??

Agree.

If the ban is worldwide then it is a huge punishment for the player.

If it's only local then it doesn't affect the player as badly but damages the club, the league, the fans and the sport in this country.
 
I am devastated :-( Finally starting to get some life back in me after the horrible loss yesterday and come back to see a 15 month ban, for nothing more than a frustrated outlash from Danny. I do agree that it couldn't go unpunished, but a 15 month ban is very excessive for what it was.
I am dreading what the FFA is going to try and pin on Sasho and possibly CCMFC, anything more and I think I am going to have to go into football suicide watch...

I have been keeping up with the last few days events on my blog, and I had to painfully write about tonight's events and I have provided a link to this thread for reference, if you feel like a read and possibly another rant, please check it out at http://dblog.com.au/hyundai-a-league/danny-vokovic-gets-a-15-month-suspension-from-play/ .

Thanks everyone for a great season, we have shown that the Mariners/Supporters are a force to be reckoned with. v4 will be another ball game (pun intended) and I say bring it on!

-Dean
 
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thanman

Guest
skilbeck said:
I suggest we try to offer danny all the support we can give him over these next few hard months for him, he is going to need it. What the FFA is doing to the mariners is horrible, but we have to be the stronger team, and the victor in this war and that means going to all mariners home games in increased numbers, I still want to chant about Danny whether he is there or not before the game, still have banners supporting him. This will send a message to him to hang in there keep fit and keep working with JC and the train on squad and on that day when he returns, the bay will go nuts. But we do have to also support our new keeper over these few months the same way we would with Danny. Though if he goes overseas I wouldnt be surprised, I would want to wish him all the best wherever he goes and let him know that he will always be remembered on the coast

I agree fully Skilly.  :goodpost:
I suggest alot of supporting banners for Danny.

On another note, give Redmayne a go in goals. As much as Trott is good, I think Redmaybe deserves his turn.
 
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soccersensei

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Newieutd said:
soccersensei said:
Danny's actions were stupid, though it is my belief not in the light of the full context should they be seen as surprising, or even condemned as so.

Shield's had lost control of the game, sorry scratch that - Shields never had control of the game. When players grab other players by the neck (Ante Covic) or violently shove and grab at each other (virtually everyone else) as had happened throughout the game and especially in the proceeding minutes to the incident. No one should be even remotely surprised that a young sportsman's unthinking emotional reaction in such a high pressure/high stakes situation, is to slap out at an offending hand. Wrong yes, no one is arguing this point, the debate is regarding the severity of the punishment. AND IN THIS CASE IT DOES NOT FIT THE CRIME. When a crime is committed circumstances surounding the incident or inciting it do come into consideration on the severity of the punishment. Yet despite the fact that precedents abound and that Mark Shields incompetency was the key factor in this situation arising, it seems to have had no degree of baring. The referee was in no way physically endangered at any point,  nor could it be argued that Danny intended to place him in physical danger. Danny lashed out with an open hand at probably the safest area he could have possibly have slapped at apart from slapping at Mark Shields foot. This slap at a hand, is actually indicative of someone restraining themselves, not quite enough admitted to mitigate any form of redress or punishment, BUT IT SHOULD CERTAINLY BARE CONSIDERABLY ON SUCH TERMS AND CHARGES AS "VIOLENT CONDUCT"

The great truth, is that this incident would not have happened if Mark Shields was a competent referee who had not made yet another major blunder, at the most crucial of times, in the most crucial of games... AFTER HE HAD ALREADY LOST CONTROL OF THE GAME! The environment Mark Shields allowed to exist directly resulted in this incident. Mark Shields was irresponsible and negligent,  and has no where near as much excuse as - a young footballer - in a grand final - after a terribly wrong decision that has massive ramifications, in fact, there can literally be no more extreme circumstance you could place a player in, unless it were to be at a world cup final instead of your national league. Shields has no such excuse in his defense, he is not young, he is not inexperienced, and he has nothing personally at stake.He is supposed to be our best ie; the MOST EXPERIENCED. However what he was, was negligent and dangerously incompetent.

When your children are starting to nip at each other, do you wait till one hits the other nip in in the bud? If you do wait, how much responsibility do you bare when the child strikes the other?  If your child is obese due to no other reason than over eating, who bares the responsibility, the parent or the child? In a sporting match, a referee is their to execute the rules of the game yes, but he also has a duty of care towards those he is officiating over, and when a referee neglects this duty and allows an environment highly likely to cause a player to do something "dumb" then he has failed to meet the needs of the occasion and to protect the players from the pressures and human instincts incumbent in such situations.

Shield's incompetence enabled this incident, if it was not Danny, it could so easily have been any player from either side in those final minutes who could have done something stupid. Shields failed to protect the players from the emotions of the match and the volatility of the circumstance, and as if Australian football hasn't had to suffer enough at his hands, he now engineers yet another painful loss to Australian football.
Shame on you Mark Shields, your is the greater crime, that has a consequence far beyond a tingling palm.
:redcard: :redcard: :redcard: :redcard: :redcard: :redcard: :redcard: :redcard: :redcard: :redcard: :redcard: :redcard: :redcard: :redcard: :redcard: :redcard: :redcard:

As to comparations with he Griffiths incident, please! They do not even remotely compare, there was no pressure, no high stakes, no grand refereeing mistake, and NO PRECEEDING EMOTIONALLY VOLATILE ATMOSPHERE, not even the same degree of youth can be dragged forward in its defense, and he struck out a a groin, not the palm of a hand.

We have a large problem in Australian football, and it is not the emotional discipline of our young players or the "style of football" we play. AND WE ALL KNOPW WHAT IT TRULY IS!

:soapbox: over

a) Vukovic deserves what he got, you cant say because someone makes a mistake that you have the write to take a swipe at him. Any attempt to justify his actions are stupid and biased.

b) Griffo should have got the same, but, he was saved by FIFA rules. I would not have defended him


Think you clearly need to RE READ my post Newieutd, it does not say he has a right to swipe at someone. Thats ludicrous. It says the incident was stupid, and not small enough to escape any form of redress or punishment. What it does is clearly states that it has issue with the severity of the punishment and that the overall incompetency and lack of control allowed by the referee contributed to a continual degenerating state of behaviour in the game, which was not doing the entirety of Australian football any credit by the end. And in such light, that I am not surprised what happened happened, that I think it could have been anyone, and that it should be addressed as it had significant baring.

Surely true bias is when you fail to accurately read a post and then label it as stupid for reasons which you yourself have imposed on its meaning and do not actually exist on the page itself. It could also be seen on such a painful occasion while visiting your newly defeated rivals forum as highly provocative and completely un-empathic. Putting it kindly. Furthermore using your, "I wouldna defended Griffo if he got done either" logic, which is a wonderful total "hindsight" argument and moral stance to be able to have, is simply absurd.

If Danny got 15 months for slapping a palm in the most extreme and high stakes of circumstance, then by that measure Griffiths, who with no such pressure, greater experience, and lesser motive,  strikes an officials groin.... would certainly have recieved a lifetime ban. I personally would have thought destroying his future would be far too harsh, people make mistakes, its how we evolve, But it's interesting that your so confident you would not have had a problem with it. I'm sure many Yellow fans on here would agree with you on that part at least. So now if it's ok with you, we might like to discuss why we think 15 months seems to harsh and why without your inflammatory judgements.
 

Jocwa08

Well-Known Member
sambuca said:
technically, yes he can appeal and get longer. An appeal can go either way.

Thats f*cked,
i wonder if they brang up all the past incidents with players.
15months to harsh.
 

promdi442

Well-Known Member
Fox Sports has announced that Sasho could be sanctioned for making a gesture toward an official.

But more disturbing is that FFA will ask the CCM why they should not be SANCTIONED FOR TEAM MISCONDUCT.
 

brett

Well-Known Member
Mini In Bay 6 said:
Jocwa08 said:
brett said:
Also, Danny has said he is pretty keen on a move overseas. Can anyone confirm if this is a worldwide club ban? I assumed it would be, but then read that they are still considering whether to extend it to national team duties...surely a ban is a ban?

If he is able to play overseas, that was his last match for us, at least for now.

He could go to our new partnership club Sheffeild United on loan and then come back later while we take Van Stratten for a loan, if its not a worldwide ban.

Perhaps the cloud will have a silver lining?

Sorry team, if he is able to go overseas, he won't be coming back! He has a big career to embark on.

promdi442 said:
Fox Sports has announced that Sasho could be sanctioned for making a gesture toward an official.

But more disturbing is that FFA will ask the CCM why they should not be SANCTIONED FOR TEAM MISCONDUCT.

The CCM should simply write to the FFA and say "We employ the players, you employ the referees...what's your excuse?"
 

~Floss~

Well-Known Member
It would be interesting to see some comparable previous incidents and their respective sentences.

By the sounds of it Danny's ban is probably way out of proportion with what FIFA have handed out previously. I wonder if this is enough basis for appealing the duration of the sentence, or at least increasing the suspended portion? I wonder if the FFA could be frowned-upon by FIFA for being too harsh?

IMO the incident appears much less serious than others - eg. dicanio's push. Still, it can't go unpunished.
 

sambuca

Member
Is there any consequences for referees? Whether they make wrong decisions or when they push a player? I understand that there is only one ref against 22 players, and I wouldnt want to be doing their job, but surely there are some standards for referees?!?!
 

sambuca

Member
~Floss~ said:
It would be interesting to see some comparable previous incidents and their respective sentences.

By the sounds of it Danny's ban is probably way out of proportion with what FIFA have handed out previously. I wonder if this is enough basis for appealing the duration of the sentence, or at least increasing the suspended portion? I wonder if the FFA could be frowned-upon by FIFA for being too harsh?

IMO the incident appears much less serious than others - eg. dicanio's push. Still, it can't go unpunished.

Totally agree. If the Mariners can get all the info together and stick behind Danny, there are enough precedents out there to show that the sentence is too harsh. Surely they would be looking at their avenues of appeal or available options already.
 

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