McKINNA OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Aden]

i think  people just have to have patience.  was it not before the asian champions league adelaide were tryin to sack vidmar and he took them to the ACL final . we need to become a club built on stability  not end up like sydney

 

[Jesus]

Mckinna has to go. No one can start a match we need to win by 3 goals, with 2, not 1 but 2 defensive midfielders. One being hutch. Whilst leaving petrovski, mrdja, caceras, gumps on the bench, and pedj boogs not even in the squad. Every queensland fan at the game said WTF, thanks lawrie.

I cant see him being kicked, but if he isnt he needs to be rushed into more coaching courses, and we NEED an assistant with some fire in his belly, cause lawrie doesnt have it.

I love lawrie, but he does not have what it takes.

 

[blastbum]

i think  people just have to have patience.  was it not before the asian champions league adelaide were tryin to sack vidmar and he took them to the ACL final . we need to become a club built on stability  not end up like sydney

AMEN BROTHER!!!!!!!!!

 

[jaypee]

Am watching the Melbourne- Adelaide semi final. Wondering if we've really got anything to complain about...

i can think of a few things from watching

1. Why cant we score goals like melbourne?
2. Why cant we attempt to play proper football like adelaide?
3. Why cant we attract a good crowd?
4. Why cant we get a decent amount of people to travel to an away leg like we have seen from melbourne and adelaide the past two weeks?

1) Because we have no Midfield
2) Because we have no Midfield
3) Because we have no Midfield - no ok because we have no MARQUEE that is a NAME player. Fact is we are still a Thugby area and we need a name to attract crowds. Fact is look at Season 3 prior to Aloisi and then when he came..... big difference
4)Umm because every other team has a transport hub at their doorstep - we have Warnervale airport - well thats gonna get us far..... Melb and Adelaide have a major airport they can use, we either have to travel to Newcastle or Sydney.... Logistics of a Friday also make it hard....

 

[krusty]

i dont agree with some of lauries decisions but we are one of the most successful clubs in the league. We are up against whole states we dont have half of there population thats why we dont get the crowds like Melb and adelaide. Yes we need a marque player to get more people to the games.All in all we have made the finals 3 out of 4 years which i think is pretty good you cant win all the time.

 

[TerrigalUtd]

i think  people just have to have patience.  was it not before the asian champions league adelaide were tryin to sack vidmar and he took them to the ACL final . we need to become a club built on stability  not end up like sydney Adelaide at the moment

looks like Adelaide are screwed and Viddie will be gone in the next week after what happened last night

 

[fruitbat]

We won't find another coach who will actually change anything in Australia. The league needs a team to bring in an overseas coach of good quality.

Isn't that what I've been saying all season? It's arguably more important than attracting marquee players.

Absolutely correct.
The style of play, the hiring & firing, the selection of starting players , the training,  the formation, the subbing and on-field tactics are all the coach's responsibilty. Time for LM to fall on his sword and get someone with new ideas. The effect of this one change would be more dramatic that the inclusion of a marquee player.

McKinna might like being in the driving seat, but he is just rearranging the deck chairs on this Titanic. Time for a mutiny before all the paying passengers take to the life boats. The mariners are doing their best, but need a skipper who knows when he is on the wrong course.
McKinna may want to go down with his ship, but unless he is changed, he will take the rest of us down with him.

 

[fruitbat]

What a ridiculous topic.
Lawrie has done wonders for the club on and off the pitch and people want to get rid of him just because we haven't played well over the past month ??? Wake up to yourselves !!!!
What we have lacked over that period is someone who can control the midfield and some steel in our back 4.
In my opinion we should have started with 3 up front tonight and put pressure on QLD, but that's the way it goes. Let's put the season behind us and concentrate on the ACL.

It wasn't Lawrie who missed tackles, made the poor passes, gave the penalties away or missed the chance to put the ball in the net !!!!

Disagree. I dont think we played as well this year as in previous years- its not just the last few games I'm talking about. We had some heroic recoveries to draw, but these should have been 3 pointers if not for the defensive errors in the first place.

McKinna IS responsible for the failings of the team as this one individual has more influence on the outcome than any other individual.
He determines the style of play, the hiring & firing, the selection of starting players , the handling/mishandling of player personalities, the training,  the formation, the subbing and on-field tactics are all the coach's responsibilty.

 

[FFC Mariner]

But he isnt the coach, Tobin is.

The minute Fergie left, our style changed for the worse. The Yoof team is a classic example of Tobin's coaching and even his most ardent supporter would say it is a shambles.

He favours 1 up front (until they go behind) and it seems that we have 2 competing coaching styles at work with the inevitable results

 

[Jocwa08]

i havent read any of this thread, i just seen it today.
so if any of my comments have been said just ignore.
i dont think mckinna is the problem, he is a great coach
with a great support team around him, which is missing
an assistant coach. I think that along with losing a player
of mile's calibre mid season triggered our slide.
Since the beginning mariners have been the small team
that everyone wrote off and said nothing will happen with
them. We proved them wrong by winning the pre-season
and making it to the grand final, without a Marquee and
a 2nd choice goalkeeper all year. From then on mariners
have grown to larger heights, and by making the ACL after
a great season last year proves that.
I believe the recent slump in form is caused by:
1. No Assistant coach.
2. Losing Mile- lost at the worst time possible and was
sorely missed.
3. Poor crowd average-down by 2000 on average in one
year!
4. No marquee to excite and put the bums on seats, also
to fire up the team.

As we enter the ACL our recruiting has been poor imo
but having said that we need more than ever to rally
behind our boys and help them through the group stages.
We have to get past the poor recruitment and as rumoured
no money in the club and support the current squad more
than ever, if the attendance and support are there i think the
boys will have a successfully ACL.

Lawrie Mckinna has done amazing things with this club and
doesnt deserve this coming from the supporters.

 

[fruitbat]

For those of you who do not have an understanding of the current economic crisis, I ask how many of you are in the market for a new car, not a Ford or Commodore but a brand new BMW. The holding pattern the Mariners maybe in - not buying - is astute business management  in the current economic climate. I would much rather have a team to support for the long term with a good business plan supporting the local community and the kids - than short term success with overpriced payers which may adversely impact on the long term economic stability of the club. Difficult economic times are ahead for all of us - I am grateful we have a well managed local team to support for now and into the future. Hard business decisions are never easy to make but they need to be made to ensure the longevity of the club. I would love the club to buy a marquee, I would also love to buy a brand new BMW. 

1.The influence of a new coach can be greater than the inclusion of a marquee. (look to Hiddink, Ver Beek and Venables).
2.The economic situation WILL effect prices.....players will be more realistic and be more negotiable ( a good thing).  Walk into the BMW dealer and I'm sure he'll be more negotiable than he was a year ago. If you have the cash in times like this you can get bargains.
3.The club got $800k windfall from jedinaks transfer, but instead of quality replacements we get more mediocrity.

 

[fruitbat]

Some good posts lads but I think of it like this. Yes I am a supporter of the club first and foremost, I am also a customer. I pay to watch the mariners, I buy merchandise, I encourage other rugby players to go to the game, I drink the pig swill that they serve up at the stadium and I cheer when we win. This is my stake in the club. My dollars, no one elses. So why should I not expect a better product for my money. Everyone is saying LM has done wonders for the club (no arguement there), "much more than anyone else" (here's my problem). We are 4 years old FFS. This is short sighted IMO and naive not to assume that there is not someone else that could do a better job in managing our team.

The league and game has changed this year in Australia. LM has shown that he has been carried by Fergie, questional selections, clearly has favourites in the team (How hutcho gets selecte every week blows my mind), recruits deadwood from other teams (Kwas and Rizzo) and finally and most importantly has lost 5 on the trot showing that he doesn't have the managerial nouse to take this team any further.

Lawrie Out +1 (Thanks for the memories)

Agreed, we ARE customers buying a product. Quality control has slipped up.
As for Hutchinson starting all the time, could he be McKinna's love child?

 

[fruitbat]

You fools who are saying we should get rid of lawrie are a disgrace to what our club stands for .

Wow! I thought the franchise stood for selling a quality product.

 

[fruitbat]

theres a button called the enter button, use it

I hope your "Newcastle's theory of Evolution" image doesnt apply to us next year.

 

[fruitbat]

reading these posts you would think we finished last.... ffs we made the finals even if it was not convincing we could be in a lot worse shape ie newcastle

Being less worse than another side does not make you good. That the scum are a cluster f**k in free fall only masks our failings.

We made 4th because SFC and the Scum imploded and we also were 4th with the lowest points total so far. That says to me that we didnt earn 4th, just that 2 other clubs worked v hard to f**k up.

Agreed, and lets face it, 4th out of a competition of 8 teams isnt anything to crow about.

 

[Razorback]

All the people saying yes we should keep Lawrie because he has done job in the past need to wake up and stop living in the past. As a St George fan I've learned that past glories get you nothing and you need to look forward.

What has he done this year at all that resembles good management?

"Shit we are down by three, better put an extra striker on" der
"Shit we are down by two, lets get Caceras off"
"Shit we are down by two away goals, Sash, Adrian, Nik and Gumps keep the bench warm until we are down by four we'll win it in the last 20 minutes"
"Gee Hutch your having having a top season"
"What we need is more wingers - Find out what Kwas and Rizzo are up to"
"pft what do you mean? We don't need any CB's Wilko and O'Grady do a great job"

 

[mariners_4_ever]

As a St George fan I've learned that past glories get you nothing and you need to look forward.

well there goes your respect
make sure it doesnt hit you on the way out

 

[Razorback]

Whats that supposed to mean? I am I just allowed to watch football to post on this forum.

Top post buddy

 

[Ranyen]

1. At the end of the day it is the PLAYERS that are on the field,
2. McKinna can only teach so much, as per point 1. it is up to the players to apply the coaching on the field.
3. Yes, we have sucked the last few rounds. I'm sure you want to blame SOMEBODY
4. We lost - IN THE SEMI FINALS. As stated above, we got that far.
5. A lot of you whiners are starting to sound like Rebecca Wilson, do you want a job at the Daily Telegraph??
6. If you think you can do a better job - go do it instead of complaining.
7. If you don't like it f**k off and do or watch something else. I'm a loyal supporter - through thick & thin. I supported the Bulldogs (NRL) for 20 years even through all the mud that the PLAYERS (and some supporters) dragged the name through.
8. We lost a few good players this year, we have to get back on our feet, and that won't take a week to do, but months of training.
9. Different code, but what about the Souths Supporters - they haven't won since the 1800's (bit exaguration, yes no need to point it out) but there fans have obvoiusly stayed loyal for all those years.

SO QUIT YOUR BITCHIN' AND GO DO SOMETHING PRODUCTIVE

 

[Jesus]

The fact is since we lost mile, lawrie has been playing to our weaknesses, rather than our strengths. Trying to fill the whole with as many players as he can, whilst forgetting about our strengths. When Danny lobs the ball up to 3 strikers, we dont need an incredible dm. when porter and heff overlap down the wings, we dont need an immense dm. When caceras runs at the defenders and lays it off to dylan, sash, simon or nik, we dont need a quality dm.

Attacking has been our job all season. WITH mile we shipped alot of goals at the back, but we scored more. Since he left lawrie has felt the need to plug a whole in midfield, which was already there by playing one man instead of 2. But to do it we removed our attacking emphasis. Leaving us now relying on defence, in a team which struggled defensively all season, and lost its greatest defensive asset.