Mariners vs Wellington at NSO - Game Talk

[eenfish]

Takes me less time to get to work (in Chatswood) than it does for people from, say, Jannali. Same situation.

Hell, it takes me just as long to get to work at Kincumber, traffic willing, than it does some of my colleagues who live up near Lake Munmorah et al.

 

[bradley]

I'm more than happy to play 1 game per year at NSO to promote the game and enhance the fan base (BUT NO MORE),

Even though it would be tricky we should try to find some incentives to get people that live "Outside the coast" to come to games to Bluetongue, (maybe a shuttle bus included in memberships for people that live in Northern Sydney that picks people up from North Sydney Oval), promotion and advertising in Northern Sydney,

 

[sydmariner]

Plenty of logic.

There is a lot of support for the Mariners on the North Shore of Sydney, many of theses supporters were not swept up by SFC, the same as many WSW supporters were not swept up by SFC.

Quite a few SFC supporters jumped ship when WSW started the same would happen here.

It is worth testing the water.

If Bluetongue costs lots more than NSO then it is definitely time to put pressure on the council because NSO is not cheap.

Charlesworth has big ideas on running and building a football club. He wants CCM to be a big club in a big league and will do all he can to make it. He will not sit still and continually fund losses in a club that has hit its ceiling on the coast and is not going to grow any more.

I will support my club through thick and thin and wherever they play.

To those who say "Charlesworth out". No Charlesworth, no CCM.

I understand we have a fair few fans on the North Shore, but i can't see what this will acheive except alienate existing fans...seriously who will be better off? We won't get bigger crowds at NSO, it is an inferior stadium with a rock hard pitch. I used to follow the Spirit back in the day and the crowds dropped off alarmingly after the first couple of seasons. We might gain a couple of thousand fans but will lose the same. Sydney FC have a massive marquee player in Del piero and only got 14,000 last weekend. Lets grow what we have here, the team needs to have an identity. I will still follow the team no matter what but i'll say it again...no logic!

My dad used 2 run the scoreboard @ nso & even he said crowds got worse although it was still better than when they played @ pittwater rugby park

 

[sydmariner]

Good. Our future is bright on the Central Coast.

As I posted in the expansion thread:



So what happens when our crowds jump *and* we get TV money?

Taking the averages of our crowds for each visiting team, and multiplying them by 1 or 2 depending on how many home games we have against them, you get an average crowd of just over 11,000 - a jump of about 1,200 or about 13% on last year.

Averaging out the two you wind up with about 10,500, and that's probably a realistic long-term average. The thing is that now, that's not a bleeding millions proposition.

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Using the back of envelope calculations from before (expecting the break-even crowd to drop because of the new TV money), that means we go from a nearly $1m deficit to a break-even position (you can barely call that a surplus or a deficit when you're spending $8m per year - it's in the margin of error).

When we get to a position of no longer having a massive structural deficit, so things like investing in marketing no longer seem like a ridiculous extravagance - we're in a position to try spending to grow.

These are back-of-envelope things, but they're intended to provide some guide as to a realistic business scenario.

Our next home game is on SBS so surly we'll get more tv money & higher tv ratings

 

[finally retired]

It's about an hour from my place to Bluetongue, although it's a bit of a scramble after work in the city for the Friday night games.

I don't think there's been a membership drive as such down here; a couple of the players made an appearance at a local shopping centre before the Spirit pre-season game but I think that's about it. Part of the trouble is that if you live in/around North Sydney then it can be quicker to drive to Allianz for SFC games; alternatively you can take public transport (which is included in the cost of SFC memberships and tickets). .

I wasn't aware of the bolded bit......how is public transport included? is the cost of a Sydney season ticket that much higher than a Mariners season ticket? would free (or public transport costs included in a season ticket) help "sell" the Mariners to people who live outside the Central Coast?

 

[sydmariner]

I wasn't aware of the bolded bit......how is public transport included? is the cost of a Sydney season ticket that much higher than a Mariners season ticket? would free (or public transport costs included in a season ticket) help "sell" the Mariners to people who live outside the Central Coast?

Don't members already get free parking anyway

 

[Ancient Mariner]

The reporter didn't make up those quotes.



HA! Nice try pal.

Don't you agree?

 

[rbakersmith]

I wasn't aware of the bolded bit......how is public transport included? is the cost of a Sydney season ticket that much higher than a Mariners season ticket? would free (or public transport costs included in a season ticket) help "sell" the Mariners to people who live outside the Central Coast?

Memberships for both SFC and WSW include free public transport, along with tickets sold to games involving those teams at Allianz and Parramatta. I would assume that they have an agreement with the government and would have to pay a certain amount per game.

I'm not sure whether it would be worthwhile including transport in Mariners tickets/memberships, to be honest. For most people on the Coast the transport system is next to useless when going to and from Bluetongue, while the train timetable turns Saturday night games into a very late night for people living in Sydney.

 

[adz]

I didn't really follow the NSL that closely, but from this it sounds like NSO will be very popular. (insert sarcasm smiley)

In the club's final season, Chairman Antonio Gelonesi decided to move the club to Pittwater Park,[7] on Sydney's Northern Beaches. The decision was motivated mainly by money, with North Sydney Oval not drawing enough people to make a profit.

 

[dibo]

Don't you agree?

No. Too wedded to reality.

 

[eenfish]

Don't members already get free parking anyway

Everyone gets free parking. Station never fills up, and worse case scenario the Gosford Leagues club down the road says free parking to all Mariner's members.

Our next home game is on SBS so surly we'll get more tv money & higher tv ratings

As far as I am aware, TV money is evenly split between all teams at the start of the season rather than more to the more publicised clubs. Otherwise we'd end up with a La Liga situation, where Barca and Madrid get five to ten times as much as other teams, and still multiple times as much as teams that sneak a second in there (eg. Malaga or Atletico et al)


As for the idea that North Sydney will have plenty of businesses to throw their money behind the club, what posh. If this was true then the Bears would never had left or folded. All the businesses in North Sydney are big corporations with office buildings. North Sydney couldn't sustain a team back in the NSL, North Sydney won't be able to sustain the Mariners by themselves, and I don't see North Sydney people wanting to go see a team that isn't theirs. If they aren't an ex-Coastie or from the northern part of the North Shore (Hornsby et al) then I don't see them wanting to come up to the coast to see us play either.

I just don't think it will work. You run some numbers and it might look like it will work, you look at the biggest crowd the Spirit drew and it looks like it will work, but look at what happened to the Spirit and the Bears, and the idea falls apart.

 

[eenfish]

What localpom (and others said)... I don't mind sharing the love around, we follow a great team, the more the marrier... Just don't try to steal it.
The only thing is that the way I read it, all that article says is "We won't be moving the physical club location away from COE, it doesn't actually say that the games will stay at Bluetongue... Dunno whether that means anything though, obviously... But with 20% of the crowd from an area that is realistically contested by at LEAST two teams - Smurfs/Us as well as arguably a third team, WSW, I just don't see how the numbers add up in terms of what it's worth to give up the fans that will abandon the team if most of the games move.

Its not 20% of the crowd, its 20% of the members. I reckon that there is a higher representation of members because most of the people who move south of the Hawksbury do so due to job. Job means money means more likely to afford membership. Most people who go to games aren't members, I reckon the actual figure of non-Sydney siders would be close to 10%.

 

[Big Al]

Poor denial just to stop a riot on Friday night. This is the 2nd time this shit has come out & both times there has been no discussions or dialogue with the members which breeds the fear.

He didn't deny the thought process is there to grow the membership - If it grows more than CC (currently 4:1 according to their quoted figures - 4,000 to 1,000 - Only takes another 3,000 members to catch us)- Bye Bye

He didn't deny it costs to much to make money at Gosford - If gets cheaper & same crowds - Bye Bye

He talks about the centre of excellence - Because when he moves to NSO it will be what you talking about willis we develop all the juniors on the CC - You just can't watch them at Gosford in the A-League, but it's still your club (Chuckle).

I will have a look after the season & look at the success - Yet North Sydney council have stated in discussions for more games. Doesn't sound like wait & see for me.

Had he come out & said for the next 2yrs there will be a maximum of 3 games their people might be able to use some perspective & say ok we will give that ago instead we are scared they want to move the whole thing which is the real objective?

I bet you will loose at least one marque game as well. You can't get an idea of the potential if you only give them the shit games. I bet one would be a SFC game which would be dumb in that it could be more away supporters so not actual interested fans in the mariners, but if they sold out CCM vs. SFC at NSO the sydney media would be all over it which is what he probably wants for sponsorship etc but I can't believe he is not interested in a permanent move with Gosford getting 2-3 shit games.

Dibo - Gallop will not protect CC over north Sydney any day of the week IMO - No matter what he might say publicly. Sydney sells gosford doesn't - Hence where in this mess. Sydney media exposure worth a lot more than the Advocate unfortunately.

 

[dibo]

I'm plenty confident that FFA will defend the 9 year investment on the Central Coast against a tantrum from a bloke who's been here 5 minutes.

 

[sydmariner]

I didn't really follow the NSL that closely, but from this it sounds like NSO will be very popular. (insert sarcasm smiley)

Under the notable players section it doesn't mention anywhere about mossy & also I don't remember Brett Holman playing 4 them

 

[eenfish]

Under the notable players section it doesn't mention anywhere about mossy & also I don't remember Brett Holman playing 4 them

Notable players section for lots of old NSL teams list A-League players and Socceroos even if the player only did like one trial for their youth team.

 

[localpom]

In light of all this and with Arnie saying goodbye, would be great to get a decent crowd for Friday vs the Victory. Hopefully the rain gods are good to us.....i love that time slot as well. Friday night, big crowd, end of a working week, few beers watching the Mariners finally gel to perfection.

 

[rbakersmith]

In light of all this and with Arnie saying goodbye, would be great to get a decent crowd for Friday vs the Victory. Hopefully the rain gods are good to us.....i love that time slot as well. Friday night, big crowd, end of a working week, few beers watching the Mariners finally gel to perfection.

You better start praying to the rain gods...

 

[nebakke]

Its not 20% of the crowd, its 20% of the members. I reckon that there is a higher representation of members because most of the people who move south of the Hawksbury do so due to job. Job means money means more likely to afford membership. Most people who go to games aren't members, I reckon the actual figure of non-Sydney siders would be close to 10%.

Fair point that, I just wanted to work with numbers that I could refer back to something

Speaking of which, do we actually know that they've been talking to MC and that it's not just Craig Thompson "representing" the team again?

 

[localpom]

You better start praying to the rain gods...

Already have...it's sorted.