Mariners Vs Meow - Round 20

[FFC Mariner]

Given that just about everyone who posts on here goes to almost all games at BT and a great many away games, I think we will cope very well.

So thats good isnt it?

 

[serious14]

I have never come across a more destructively negative group of supporters (so called) in my entire life. Many hiding behind anonymity to voice their own pet hates which they take great delight in airing whenever there is a loss.

Drama queen alert.

I have a sneaking suspicion from your accent that you're from these parts (the UK) originally - and you're going to sit there and tell me that in all your time following football, both here and there (Oz), that you've never EVER met a more negative group??  Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

This preciousness (from both supporters and players) in Australian Football is pathetic.  You lose, you deserve a bollocking.  The coach gets it wrong, he deserves to hear about it.  You win, you deserve every plaudit you get.  Works everywhere else in football (and other sports), why not in Australia??

FWIW, I wasn't "grinding down" Forum Phoenix - I enjoy every single one of his posts, I just felt the need to call him out on his overreaction, which he agreed with.  Everyone's happy, move on.

In the world of Ursus it would seem we have to blindly sit there and cop a 4-5-1 counterattacking reacharound from the coaching staff because, well, "it wouldn't be very nice if we disagreed now, would it".

Grow up.

P.S. FP - kneejerk reactions are to be expected, but I suspect most of these posts are symptomatic of a wider problem that has been prevalent since the beginning of Season 4 - that is, we're not growing as a team.  The style of play for the majority of the time has regressed, and the false dawns offered by such results as the two spankings of Melbourne and the dismantling of the Gold Coast only add to the frustration.

The memberships comment I agree on though - that's a wider A-League problem, not exclusively a CCM one.

 

[FFC Mariner]

I was in Melb the night we beat them 4-0.

Let me tell you guys if we ever gave a reaction even half as negative as they did from about 70 minutes and well after the game, we might (might) deserve that remark.

Even at his worst, Trotty didnt have to endure an entire end singing that he was a "c... and you know you are" together with loud cheers whenever he touched the ball.

They were far more interested in abusing their own than bothering with us (which was a good thing just quietly)

The players left the pitch to a cacophany of abuse far louder than the mutters of discontent that goes up when we lose.

TBF, the rapturous applause from bays 6 & 7 when Kwas was subbed is about as bad as I have seen at BT (happy to be corrected).

If we had awful players who tried their guts out for 95 mins, no arguements from me, thats football. But we dont. We have as good a side on our day as anyone, there are a few who dont seem to be convinced/bothered.

I had dismissed the rumours of rifts in the camp - we sure as hell are playing like it though

 

[serious14]

TBF, the rapturous applause from bays 6 & 7 when Kwas was subbed is about as bad as I have seen at BT (happy to be corrected).

The last ACL game. 

 

[Arabmariner]

In all honesty, being from a different football culture I dont really understand the perceived preciouness of some of our players and have even less understanding of people who decide whether or not to go based on results.

Where I am from, you turn up - end of.

+1

We used to regularly watch the same bloke lob his scarf and season ticket on to the pitch at the end of games whilst hurling abuse at the players and/or coach and vowing never to return.He'd stomp off much to the amusement of those around him while his mates grabbed his gear before someone else did.

He was always back there in two weeks time lol.

Tbh I can't even shout the abuse at our team/the opposition/the ref that would be considered mild in Scotland cos it would get me thrown out of BT.

Very frustrating sometimes.

TBF, the rapturous applause from bays 6 & 7 when Kwas was subbed is about as bad as I have seen at BT (happy to be corrected).

The last ACL game. 

+1

Was louder than the Kwas abuse on Saturday which imo was quite mild.

Dunno what all the fuss is about tbh.

 

[Wombat]

On further examination - agree with Pjennings assessment of the game.
Kwas did make some blunders, but did some good work and made some great runs, he was also in good wide positions several times and did not get used.

Personally I hate whenever we rubbish a player - shit performance or not.
But Kwassie is a player people are prone to rubbishing.
Just not Hal level wombat?

Ridiculous comment.

Kwas is a mid level a league player who shows moments of brilliance beyond the bulk of players in the league.  His ball control is actually one of the best in the team... Its his confidence/decision making imo that sometimes lets him down. And the shit he cops from us (and I use the term "us" loosely) doesn't help _OUR_ cause.

If we want to get stuck into anyone after that game it should be bloody Matty. He screwed up majorly that game. But he still gave his all and deserves respect for it, so I'm not interested in rubbishing him, or anyone else for that matter.

Some of the posts about our lack of pressure rings true for me and our need to be positive in attack. Also that we need another striker to lead the line/build our attack around.

And Roy Laws beautiful last line... About...
come on, anythings possible still, this is the A league!
GOLD.
irate:

And certainly a much preferable attitude to Costars whiny blame mongering. Good post my ass.

At what point does the coach take the blame?  :

Well its sure as shit not when stupid unforced mistakes made by our best PLAYERS available keep costing us games. Last three losses have had nothing to do with coaching, and without these, would be well and truly in the mix as we were only four weeks ago as the form side of the competition. And I'm sure the team would wholeheartedly agree.

Hate all our forgetful, fair weather, unrealistic, judgemental, blame focused fans.

Just so sick to shit of it.

We have good games bad games, good runs bad runs, good seasons, bad seasons...
And to think it will ever be otherwise is where the real "ineptitude" and frustration lies.

No wonder your kids are over it costar.
Mine said they actually enjoyed the game even though we lost. Because they saw their heroes work their ass of in a tightly contested game. Yours probably endured 90 minutes of their dad griping about how we weren't good enough. Doesn't sound like any bloody fun to me either.

Honestly some of you should just go start a f**king detractors group. Because your idea of "support" is just abysmal.


I need to go and let off some steam. Had a gut full of this over reactive crap after practically every loss. Non constructive negativity just completely pisses me off.

Hello Pheonix,

I admire your blind loyalty but while I wasn't specifically slagging off Kwsa...I thought he has been rank last two weeks on the trott....I will respond.
For my money Kwas is not really at starting 11 player in any team in HAL.
Lawrie loves him and that loyalty is commendable but only one team ever offered to take him off our hands and threw him back to us quick smart when they got a proper look at him.
He has some attributes is a decent addition to the squad but would not start in any other team in HAL. If CCM want to be serious contenders when need to be more fair dinkum.

 

[elevated position]

Wombat there are probably 5 or 6 that meet the same standard  so sharpen your knife and start slashing

 

[Jerem]

just curious, is anyone else out there starting to hate seb hassett as much as fossie or harper,
like me?

 

[marinermick]

just curious, is anyone else out there starting to hate seb hassett as much as fossie or harper,
like me?

actually a nice bloke in real life

and sometimes i think he likes the mariners more than sydney

 

[Jerem]

just curious, is anyone else out there starting to hate seb hassett as much as fossie or harper,
like me?

actually a nice bloke in real life

and sometimes i think he likes the mariners more than sydney

maybe, just seems like hes always death and destruction about the league and our chances

 

[pjennings]

On further examination - agree with Pjennings assessment of the game.
Kwas did make some blunders, but did some good work and made some great runs, he was also in good wide positions several times and did not get used.

Personally I hate whenever we rubbish a player - shit performance or not.
But Kwassie is a player people are prone to rubbishing.
Just not Hal level wombat?

Ridiculous comment.

Kwas is a mid level a league player who shows moments of brilliance beyond the bulk of players in the league.  His ball control is actually one of the best in the team... Its his confidence/decision making imo that sometimes lets him down. And the shit he cops from us (and I use the term "us" loosely) doesn't help _OUR_ cause.

If we want to get stuck into anyone after that game it should be bloody Matty. He screwed up majorly that game. But he still gave his all and deserves respect for it, so I'm not interested in rubbishing him, or anyone else for that matter.

Some of the posts about our lack of pressure rings true for me and our need to be positive in attack. Also that we need another striker to lead the line/build our attack around.

And Roy Laws beautiful last line... About...
come on, anythings possible still, this is the A league!
GOLD.
irate:

And certainly a much preferable attitude to Costars whiny blame mongering. Good post my ass.

At what point does the coach take the blame?  :

Well its sure as shit not when stupid unforced mistakes made by our best PLAYERS available keep costing us games. Last three losses have had nothing to do with coaching, and without these, would be well and truly in the mix as we were only four weeks ago as the form side of the competition. And I'm sure the team would wholeheartedly agree.

Hate all our forgetful, fair weather, unrealistic, judgemental, blame focused fans.

Just so sick to shit of it.

We have good games bad games, good runs bad runs, good seasons, bad seasons...
And to think it will ever be otherwise is where the real "ineptitude" and frustration lies.

No wonder your kids are over it costar.
Mine said they actually enjoyed the game even though we lost. Because they saw their heroes work their ass of in a tightly contested game. Yours probably endured 90 minutes of their dad griping about how we weren't good enough. Doesn't sound like any bloody fun to me either.

Honestly some of you should just go start a f**king detractors group. Because your idea of "support" is just abysmal.


I need to go and let off some steam. Had a gut full of this over reactive crap after practically every loss. Non constructive negativity just completely pisses me off.

Hello Pheonix,

I admire your blind loyalty but while I wasn't specifically slagging off Kwsa...I thought he has been rank last two weeks on the trott....I will respond.
For my money Kwas is not really at starting 11 player in any team in HAL.
Lawrie loves him and that loyalty is commendable but only one team ever offered to take him off our hands and threw him back to us quick smart when they got a proper look at him.
He has some attributes is a decent addition to the squad but would not start in any other team in HAL. If CCM want to be serious contenders when need to be more fair dinkum.

Maybe I wasn't the only one that thought he had a better game than most, though I would have had Van Fyk well in front of him. 

http://sports.yahoo.com/soccer/news?slug=goal-aleagueteamoftheweekround&prov=goal&type=lgns

Having said that I agree that Kwas is not necessarily a first choice first XI player.

Of the people that are signed for next year I believe that only Danny, Doig, Wilko, Hutch, Wee Mac, McBreen and Simon are first team players. Redders. Pedj, Smitta, Mini Matt and Kwas I see as squad players.

However, we have a salary cap, injuries and loss of form to consider and cannot always start what I would class as a first choice first XI. Kwas has been, and is now a good squad player that Lawrie can rely on to try his guts out if he is given an opportunity. There are plenty of better players in the HAL that I would pick Kwas over because of their slack attitude. 

 

[FFC Mariner]

To be fair, Kwas would get a starting berth at NQF, possibly Adelaide and depending on how they go for players I could see W Syd having a look at a local junior.

 

[Forum Phoenix]

On further examination - agree with Pjennings assessment of the game.
Kwas did make some blunders, but did some good work and made some great runs, he was also in good wide positions several times and did not get used.

Personally I hate whenever we rubbish a player - shit performance or not.
But Kwassie is a player people are prone to rubbishing.
Just not Hal level wombat?

Ridiculous comment.

Kwas is a mid level a league player who shows moments of brilliance beyond the bulk of players in the league.  His ball control is actually one of the best in the team... Its his confidence/decision making imo that sometimes lets him down. And the shit he cops from us (and I use the term "us" loosely) doesn't help _OUR_ cause.

If we want to get stuck into anyone after that game it should be bloody Matty. He screwed up majorly that game. But he still gave his all and deserves respect for it, so I'm not interested in rubbishing him, or anyone else for that matter.

Some of the posts about our lack of pressure rings true for me and our need to be positive in attack. Also that we need another striker to lead the line/build our attack around.

And Roy Laws beautiful last line... About...
come on, anythings possible still, this is the A league!
GOLD.
irate:

And certainly a much preferable attitude to Costars whiny blame mongering. Good post my ass.

At what point does the coach take the blame?  :

Well its sure as shit not when stupid unforced mistakes made by our best PLAYERS available keep costing us games. Last three losses have had nothing to do with coaching, and without these, would be well and truly in the mix as we were only four weeks ago as the form side of the competition. And I'm sure the team would wholeheartedly agree.

Hate all our forgetful, fair weather, unrealistic, judgemental, blame focused fans.

Just so sick to shit of it.

We have good games bad games, good runs bad runs, good seasons, bad seasons...
And to think it will ever be otherwise is where the real "ineptitude" and frustration lies.

No wonder your kids are over it costar.
Mine said they actually enjoyed the game even though we lost. Because they saw their heroes work their ass of in a tightly contested game. Yours probably endured 90 minutes of their dad griping about how we weren't good enough. Doesn't sound like any bloody fun to me either.

Honestly some of you should just go start a f**king detractors group. Because your idea of "support" is just abysmal.


I need to go and let off some steam. Had a gut full of this over reactive crap after practically every loss. Non constructive negativity just completely pisses me off.

Hello Pheonix,

I admire your blind loyalty but while I wasn't specifically slagging off Kwsa...I thought he has been rank last two weeks on the trott....I will respond.
For my money Kwas is not really at starting 11 player in any team in HAL.
Lawrie loves him and that loyalty is commendable but only one team ever offered to take him off our hands and threw him back to us quick smart when they got a proper look at him.
He has some attributes is a decent addition to the squad but would not start in any other team in HAL. If CCM want to be serious contenders when need to be more fair dinkum.

Mmm... I understand your point of view. But for the record I hold no blind loyalty towards Kwas or anyone else for that matter. Loyalty however, yes, towards all our players.

My opinion is that Kwas has struggled in a losing side for the last two games along with most of our squad. But even then not as much as Mrdja, D MAc or Matty I think to be fair this season. He played some great football when he got his chance up front and scored a couple of great goals - and has worked consistently very hard off the ball. And going missing Farrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr less than he used to and has surprised me in looking more like a ninety minute player than unfortunately say Weemac and Travis have of late.

Struggles aside, Kwas still set up what should have been our first goal and nearly scored another. The run he made that opened up what should have been the first goal, I also saw him make perfectly at least twice more, but unfortunately he was not seen or fed or again he would have been in right behind.

And then he took on Zullo a couple of times... who was a revelation at LB, he got done and his confidence rapidly dropped.

This is Kwassie to a tee for me. I think he clearly has the skills of a first team HAL player - and has proved himself many times with great games, but he has significant lapses of confidence that affect all areas of his game. And has in the past made him very hot and cold. If you followed his season at NIx which I did, this is exactly what happened. Stuffed up, lost confidence and it all went pear shaped.

I think your judgement that Lawire holds special love for Kwassie and this makes him over look Kwassies supposed lack of ability is a bit of a slander to be honest.

I think its more that Kwas proves in training that he has A LOT of skill, but when the pressure of game time hits his confidence his skills may evaporate. Making I understand for confusing viewing and consideration of team selection.

Also I think you maybe over estimate the level of the league - as FFC mentioned.
I can't be bothered but there are many players in HAL getting starts who I would rate Kwassie against at least at even odds.

Fix his confidence issues and find/uncover his consistency and he will be a very strong and dangerous player for us IMO.

 

[Wombat]

There is not doubt Kwas is a Koala at our club.  Lawrie has nurtured him since he was 16 yo,
However i think you are spot on about Kwas.....the boys has heaps of natural ability and would look nawesome at training(*personallly i'll beat 3 or 4 players but dont ask me to do it on sat) but has no composure to recreate those moves comr sat night.
I like him but i don't rate him.
As to the slashing of a few players......Porter/Clarke/on current form Boogs....thats the easones.  Another 4 or 5 should be looking nover the shoulder.