Mariners Vs Meow - Round 20

[Arabmariner]

Support for our players who are not the 'favoured sons' - cringeworthy. The reception that was given when Kwasnik was replaced (someone who was definitely one of our better and certainly one of the hardest working players when he was on) was just plain embarassing.   

Seemed from Bay 23 that bays 6 & 7 got right into him as the subbing was announced. I doubt they are that big a fan of DMac so assume it was anti Kwas?

I am from Bay 6 - and the comments were just plain embarrassing. Especially from some who I know do know their football.  It seems to be a mob mentality at the moment and I thinked Kwas deserved a lot better than he got.  

Bay 7 had been calling for Kwassie to be subbed for a good 10 mins before it happened.Hence the big cheer that went up when his number was held up.

Pretty tame stuff by football crowd standards tbh.Certainly nothing like the pelters the bling crowd gave Aloisi last season for example.

I thought Kwas put himself in numerous good positions and recieved plenty of supply out on the wing.It's just a pity he has no basic ball control to make use of it.

 

[pjennings]

Support for our players who are not the 'favoured sons' - cringeworthy. The reception that was given when Kwasnik was replaced (someone who was definitely one of our better and certainly one of the hardest working players when he was on) was just plain embarassing.   

Seemed from Bay 23 that bays 6 & 7 got right into him as the subbing was announced. I doubt they are that big a fan of DMac so assume it was anti Kwas?

I am from Bay 6 - and the comments were just plain embarrassing. Especially from some who I know do know their football.  It seems to be a mob mentality at the moment and I thinked Kwas deserved a lot better than he got. 

Bay 7 had been calling for Kwassie to be subbed for a good 10 mins before it happened.Hence the big cheer that went up when his number was held up.

Pretty tame stuff by football crowd standards tbh.Certainly nothing like the pelters the bling crowd gave Aloi$i last season for example.

I thought Kwas put himself in numerous good positions and recieved plenty of supply out on the wing.It's just a pity he has no basic ball control to make use of it.

I'm all for giving it to players if they aren't putting in

My point was that he provided a lot - and in all but his miss, it was basically other people's ball control that was suspect.

I do realise that the treatment that Kwas got was reasonably tame and that Bay 7 was calling for his substitution - so was Bay 6.

That is why i rewatched the game today before making my post. Too many people seem to look at games with pre-conceived  ideas e.g. Simon - must be good - Kwas - must be bad.

 

[Arabmariner]

Support for our players who are not the 'favoured sons' - cringeworthy. The reception that was given when Kwasnik was replaced (someone who was definitely one of our better and certainly one of the hardest working players when he was on) was just plain embarassing.   

Seemed from Bay 23 that bays 6 & 7 got right into him as the subbing was announced. I doubt they are that big a fan of DMac so assume it was anti Kwas?

I am from Bay 6 - and the comments were just plain embarrassing. Especially from some who I know do know their football.  It seems to be a mob mentality at the moment and I thinked Kwas deserved a lot better than he got.  

Bay 7 had been calling for Kwassie to be subbed for a good 10 mins before it happened.Hence the big cheer that went up when his number was held up.

Pretty tame stuff by football crowd standards tbh.Certainly nothing like the pelters the bling crowd gave Aloi$i last season for example.

I thought Kwas put himself in numerous good positions and recieved plenty of supply out on the wing.It's just a pity he has no basic ball control to make use of it.

That is why i rewatched the game today before making my post. Too many people seem to look at games with pre-conceived  ideas e.g. Simon - must be good - Kwas - must be bad.

I must admit I haven't rewatched the game on TV and things can be completely different from the way you remember them at the game.

What I remember from the game was on numerous occasions praising Kwas on his positioning out wide to recieve a decent ball only to f**k it up through a lack of basic ball control.The exception being his ball in to Simon just before Roars 2nd goal.

He does put in the effort mind you unlike some others.

 

[FFC Mariner]

Lawrie has Tweeted that Mrdja is back in the squad for Weds so assume Kwas will be in yoof?

 

[Costar]

At one point does the coach take the blame?  (This is not the reopening of the Lawrie out thread).  3 losses in a row and the same errors occurring week after week.  Obviously Lawrie has talent and some idea what to do but its not being put into practice.  How long will we just hold off the opposition and let them run?  How much longer will we have to put up with an attack that seems to forget where the goals are?  How many more times are we going to herald the arrival of new players only to have them leave without playing or succumb to the continual injuries that have plagued their past?  How are we expected to win games, increase crowd numbers and take our rightful place in the pantheon of A-League champions creating a glorious dynasty that will demand not a chapter but a testament to the greatness of all things blue, yellow and central coast, when we lose one player and everything turns to sh*t?  How many times will our (my) hopes be raised to only have them dashed, shattered, obliterated, destroyed, annihilated (and so on) and then have to deal with the smug looks and comments of scum and bling supporters.

Couldn't make last night's game (that's 2 in a row now) and after watching the game when I got home I'm half-glad I didn't go.  My manager is already talking about decreasing our membership, as the kids don't seem to enjoy it any more.  I love going to the games but it gets harder and harder to go after the ineptitude being presented on an ever increasing basis. 

Forget the crowd numbers.  Lets focus on what needs to be fixed and changed and get on with the job.  We're not going to come top of the league that much is obvious.  So lets aim for the top 6 and then make life as hard as possible for all the other 5. 

Good post.

I think the waning loyalty you show is echoed in many CC households and the reasons are that the club has completely f**ked up with its fixtures this year, we are not winning at home, we dont have any drawcard players and playing on the counter at home JUST DOESNT WORK.

The club needs to have a long hard look at some of the decisions it has made this season and learn from them and not repeat them.

However much we got from ACT will be lost by falling attendances at home and remember anything under 10k at BT means we lose money. Money we dont have.

Not so much waning loyalty - missed the last 2 games due to family commitments (dance concert for the youngest daughter and having to go to Newcastle to pick up the older daughter) which unfortunately clashed.  I imagine that many members will be in similar situations at various points during the season.  It annoys the christ out of me to have to miss a game, even when we lose. 

As for the memberships - times are getting tough and pennies need to be counted.  It will become increasingly difficult, I would imagine in a number of households, to justify spending the $$$s for a team that plays the way it has been of late and is managed in a manner that perpetuates the problems instead of solving them.

Rest assured I am proudly Central Coast Mariners.

 

[Wombat]

Support for our players who are not the 'favoured sons' - cringeworthy. The reception that was given when Kwasnik was replaced (someone who was definitely one of our better and certainly one of the hardest working players when he was on) was just plain embarassing.   

Seemed from Bay 23 that bays 6 & 7 got right into him as the subbing was announced. I doubt they are that big a fan of DMac so assume it was anti Kwas?

I am from Bay 6 - and the comments were just plain embarrassing. Especially from some who I know do know their football.  It seems to be a mob mentality at the moment and I thinked Kwas deserved a lot better than he got.  

Bay 7 had been calling for Kwassie to be subbed for a good 10 mins before it happened.Hence the big cheer that went up when his number was held up.

Pretty tame stuff by football crowd standards tbh.Certainly nothing like the pelters the bling crowd gave Aloi$i last season for example.

I thought Kwas put himself in numerous good positions and recieved plenty of supply out on the wing.It's just a pity he has no basic ball control to make use of it.

I'm all for giving it to players if they aren't putting in

My point was that he provided a lot - and in all but his miss, it was basically other people's ball control that was suspect.

I do realise that the treatment that Kwas got was reasonably tame and that Bay 7 was calling for his substitution - so was Bay 6.

That is why i rewatched the game today before making my post. Too many people seem to look at games with pre-conceived  ideas e.g. Simon - must be good - Kwas - must be bad.

While i didn't join in and was mildly suprised by the massive cheer when Kwas gotted subbed I fully understand it as from that position (bay 23) I had just watched him fail to cross a simple ball into a box (I would have been furious at my 11 yo if he couldn't deliver the ball from there) and miss an open goal in the space of 5 mins.
Lets face it Kwas is not really HAL standard and while he tries hard ( I actually though his work rate was poor last night) it is frustrating for fans to watch his ineptitude at times.

 

[Wombat]

Ok my opinion on the game.

I actually thought we were worse than against Victory but probably didn't look so poor because our opponents were as shit as we were.

Terrible starting 11 with probably 5 players not first team standard .. Clarke/Porter/Bojic/Kwas/Lewis.

Clarke was all at sea for 1st 10 minutes but improved dramtically for the rest of the game.  Bojic is not a centre mid's arsehole. Was Kwas supposed to be up front with Simon or did we play a 5 man midfield???

Vukovic 6.  Let is 3 again.
Clarke 6.  Looked absolutely clueless for first 10 min and weak defensive header partly to blame for first goal but actually played OK after that.
Boogs 6.  Mixed bag.  At fault twice on the first goal.
Wilko 6.5.  Best of a bad bunch.  Turned his back on 2nd goal and slow to close down once or twice but still dindt do too badly.
Porter 5.5.  I was cringing on the first goal.  Pretty bad game again and i'm sorry but he is not up to HAL standard as a defender.  Use his as a sub in mid or play him in Yoof where he will look good.  Bojic or Clarke are both better (though not perfect) options at RB.

Kwas 5.  Rubbish apart from excellent set up on Simon for simple tap in.
Travis 7. MOM.  Pretty bad when our best player is only a 7.  Mixed game but overall shines above the rest.  Prefer to see him in centre mid.
WeeMac 6.5.  Couple of nice touches and some good passing.  Needs to lift work rate a tad.
Bojic 6.  Workrate is a 8, quality 6 and passing a 4.  Tried hard but definately NOT a centre mid.
Lewis 6.5.  Looked out of his depth to start but slowly but surely started to play well and with confidence. Showed a lot more guts that alot of his team mates.  Good effort.


Simon 6.5.  Missed a sitter but still worked hard and did OK.


Subs: 
D-Mac 7.  Only postive to come out of the night...apart from the fact that Disco wasn't playing.
Elrich. 5.  Showed very little.  (Where is f**king Gumpy when you need him!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

 

[FFC Mariner]

Lewis is young player just starting out in the senior team. It will take him a while to find his feet (as it did for Matty) and inconsistency is a hallmark of young players.

The kid is quality and will be an asset for us.

 

[Arabmariner]

IMO Lewis did well to work his way into the game after a slow start when you consider his age and the shit he was surrounded by.

He was always prepared to run at the defence and take them on.All Elrich did when he came on was recieve,stop and pass back/sideways.Gave us f**k all in an attacking sense.

 

[Atomic]

Lewis is a work in progress. If we are putting our hopes in a successful CoE then folks better get used to kids like Lewis being blooded into the 1st XI. IMO this is where our future lies. We'll never be in a position to buy ourselves a championship... we'll have to build it and Lewis is the prototype.

 

[Forum Phoenix]

On further examination - agree with Pjennings assessment of the game.
Kwas did make some blunders, but did some good work and made some great runs, he was also in good wide positions several times and did not get used.

Personally I hate whenever we rubbish a player - shit performance or not.
But Kwassie is a player people are prone to rubbishing.
Just not Hal level wombat?

Ridiculous comment.

Kwas is a mid level a league player who shows moments of brilliance beyond the bulk of players in the league.  His ball control is actually one of the best in the team... Its his confidence/decision making imo that sometimes lets him down. And the shit he cops from us (and I use the term "us" loosely) doesn't help _OUR_ cause.

If we want to get stuck into anyone after that game it should be bloody Matty. He screwed up majorly that game. But he still gave his all and deserves respect for it, so I'm not interested in rubbishing him, or anyone else for that matter.

Some of the posts about our lack of pressure rings true for me and our need to be positive in attack. Also that we need another striker to lead the line/build our attack around.

And Roy Laws beautiful last line... About...
come on, anythings possible still, this is the A league!
GOLD.
irate:

And certainly a much preferable attitude to Costars whiny blame mongering. Good post my ass.

At what point does the coach take the blame?  :

Well its sure as shit not when stupid unforced mistakes made by our best PLAYERS available keep costing us games. Last three losses have had nothing to do with coaching, and without these, would be well and truly in the mix as we were only four weeks ago as the form side of the competition. And I'm sure the team would wholeheartedly agree.

Hate all our forgetful, fair weather, unrealistic, judgemental, blame focused fans.

Just so sick to shit of it.

We have good games bad games, good runs bad runs, good seasons, bad seasons...
And to think it will ever be otherwise is where the real "ineptitude" and frustration lies.

No wonder your kids are over it costar.
Mine said they actually enjoyed the game even though we lost. Because they saw their heroes work their ass of in a tightly contested game. Yours probably endured 90 minutes of their dad griping about how we weren't good enough. Doesn't sound like any bloody fun to me either.

Honestly some of you should just go start a f**king detractors group. Because your idea of "support" is just abysmal.


I need to go and let off some steam. Had a gut full of this over reactive crap after practically every loss. Non constructive negativity just completely pisses me off.

 

[serious14]

FP - you've shown yourself to be rational over the months/years/however long you've been on here, but come on, these are valid concerns being expressed by people.  This "must never criticise" standpoint is naive and childish - what are we supposed to do, sit there and say "oh well, this 4-5-1 counter attacking shite isn't working and the coach isn't changing it, but the coach is awesome".

Come on man - I personally feel this thread has been rather sensible compared to some in the past when discussing what's going wrong.

 

[blackburnforever]

Looking at the starting lineups of all a league teams from last weekend; maybe apart from North Queensland, I couldn't find a defender that I wouldn't have picked ahead of Porter at right back on the weekend. The way he was turned inside, lack of tight marking of his player and backing off player with the ball drove me to more Bluetongue than I prefer to drink.
Same for Kwas; not a striker(winger?) in the league I wouldn't pick ahead of him. Didn't see him for the first 20, then he put a good cross in - whoopee! He's not good enough to scare any a-league defence.
Forum Phoenix why can't I bag a player? After attending the last 2 home games, it becomes hard to justify spending $ when you don't think you're getting your worth. Quite a few of the coast people I speak to are beginning to think the same way, hence the falling crowds.
PS- You Marinators try very hard to make an impression, well done. However, imo should have stayed behind the goal - atmosphere was much better before move. Two groups makes it even worse.

 

[elevated position]

I dont care who it is if you accept losing and try to justify it you are a tosser.
Every man woman and child left there the other night wondering if it was worth the effort and if they walked past the away corner they felt worse.
Sure it's a game but it is expensive and a luxury to some. Remember a season family pass is a whole year of Foxtel.
The Mariners run a business and must make a profit to survive.Their product is the team and if they dont perform then the PAYING public will tell them by not attending, They must lift their game or there will only be the 2000 die hard members needed to fill the COE Stadium.
MOM Marvin

 

[grendel]

Hate all our forgetful, fair weather, unrealistic, judgemental, blame focused fans.

Just so sick to shit of it.

We have good games bad games, good runs bad runs, good seasons, bad seasons...
And to think it will ever be otherwise is where the real "ineptitude" and frustration lies.

No wonder your kids are over it costar.
Mine said they actually enjoyed the game even though we lost. Because they saw their heroes work their ass of in a tightly contested game. Yours probably endured 90 minutes of their dad griping about how we weren't good enough. Doesn't sound like any bloody fun to me either.

Thanks for echoing my thoughts.  I came away disappointed with the final result but thoroughly entertained by the football

 

[Forum Phoenix]

FP - you've shown yourself to be rational over the months/years/however long you've been on here, but come on, these are valid concerns being expressed by people.  This "must never criticise" standpoint is naive and childish - what are we supposed to do, sit there and say "oh well, this 4-5-1 counter attacking shite isn't working and the coach isn't changing it, but the coach is awesome".

Come on man - I personally feel this thread has been rather sensible compared to some in the past when discussing what's going wrong.

Yes. I over reacted. I was pissed. Sorry costar - I hope your kids find their enjoyment again.

I don't believe in never criticise. But I DO believe in never demean, belittle or criticise without a constructive goal or intent. I'm well aware that criticism with constructive purpose or intent - or even just humour or wit is necessary and can be enjoyable and in right spirit is at least harmless.

But its the constant irrational leaps and sweeping statements that throughly piss me off. And comments about if we don't play better I'm pulling memberships just sends me ballistic.

How the f**k do we survive when one day we almost inevitably go wooden spoon, when we can be mid table and talk about ineptitude, dross and pulling memberships?? There has been several such posts over the past few weeks.

I think we need to be realistic about our squad, human error, expectations and at least on balance try to remain positive in our approach to the club and its players.

But I obviously need to be more realistic about peoples likely responses.
My post was unbalanced. My hands up.

But for mine peoples pain at losing unbalances their perspective too often and triggers ridiculous leaps of logic, casual derision and negativity that causes nothing but damage. Probably most evident from our enstranged relations with our own player group. I think we could all do better.

I also personally believe that losing Lawrie would be disastrous to our club and when I see no glaring coaching errors but mistakes by players that cost us games, and then it seems like we are inclined to throw tantrums because we don't get what we want and scream and blame our parents. Human nature... perhaps... but naive and childish as you put it.

However critical comments for example such as the drop to yoof rotating player policy is clearly not working - that then suggest a different line up and approach have of course a lot of constructive merit.

But anyway, stick a fork in me...
I'm done.

 

[FFC Mariner]

Late entrant for post of the year.

I get filthy when we lose and when it is down to player error, it just makes it worse.

Agree, I cant see who could reasonably replace LM and do a better job.

In all honesty, being from a different football culture I dont really understand the perceived preciouness of some of our players and have even less understanding of people who decide whether or not to go based on results.

Where I am from, you turn up - end of.

Each to their own I suppose

 

[elevated position]

The frustrating part for me is we do not take our chances in the games that matter (majority). For example we were on a roll and "if" we had won all of the last three games we would today be leading the comp on 33 pts.
I just hate going past the away corner after a lose.

 

[Jazzie]

Yes, I'm a bit pissed off, and disappointed with the way things have been going lately, however as much as I vent, stamp my feet and slag off, I'll always be a Mariners supporter. I think one of problems we have is lack of real leadership on the field. When Doig is playing he imposes himself on the team, and it was a good thing. Another thing is the lack of a "personality" player. As much as some bag Sacho or Aloisi, they added something to the team, and the supporters. Melbourne has Kevin Muscat, Fury has Fowler, etc. Regardless of their playing ability teams with such players lift with their presence (in most cases). Mariners at the moment seem to have no "attitude", not willing to impose themselves in the game. And in my opinion, things aren't going to get any better until Kwas, Mrdja and Elrich are finally shown the door. Boogs has already mentally left. CC Mariners need to realise that dishing up mediocre performances played by (some, not all) mediocre players isn't going to hack it with the fans. Steps have been made in the right direction in regards to recent signings. I just hope next season they don't just take a chance on new signings.. we need at least one proven striker who can actually score (one who isn't liable to injury, week in and week out). Having said that, the strikers need to be fed a decent ball. There has been a lot of selfishness lately up the front, and that is just not professional, and very immature. I'm still hopeful we can make the finals, however if we don't, CC Mariners board/scouts need to get real, and think of the fans and the team in any future signings. Being mediocre is not good enough.

 

[Ursus]

FP - you've shown yourself to be rational over the months/years/however long you've been on here, but come on, these are valid concerns being expressed by people.  This "must never criticise" standpoint is naive and childish - what are we supposed to do, sit there and say "oh well, this 4-5-1 counter attacking shite isn't working and the coach isn't changing it, but the coach is awesome".

Come on man - I personally feel this thread has been rather sensible compared to some in the past when discussing what's going wrong.

Yes. I over reacted. I was pissed. Sorry costar - I hope your kids find their enjoyment again.

I don't believe in never criticise. But I DO believe in never demean, belittle or criticise without a constructive goal or intent. I'm well aware that criticism with constructive purpose or intent - or even just humour or wit is necessary and can be enjoyable and in right spirit is at least harmless.

But its the constant irrational leaps and sweeping statements that throughly piss me off. And comments about if we don't play better I'm pulling memberships just sends me ballistic.

How the f**k do we survive when one day we almost inevitably go wooden spoon, when we can be mid table and talk about ineptitude, dross and pulling memberships?? There has been several such posts over the past few weeks.

I think we need to be realistic about our squad, human error, expectations and at least on balance try to remain positive in our approach to the club and its players.

But I obviously need to be more realistic about peoples likely responses.
My post was unbalanced. My hands up.

But for mine peoples pain at losing unbalances their perspective too often and triggers ridiculous leaps of logic, casual derision and negativity that causes nothing but damage. Probably most evident from our enstranged relations with our own player group. I think we could all do better.

I also personally believe that losing Lawrie would be disastrous to our club and when I see no glaring coaching errors but mistakes by players that cost us games, and then it seems like we are inclined to throw tantrums because we don't get what we want and scream and blame our parents. Human nature... perhaps... but naive and childish as you put it.

However critical comments for example such as the drop to yoof rotating player policy is clearly not working - that then suggest a different line up and approach have of course a lot of constructive merit.

But anyway, stick a fork in me...
I'm done.

I was wondering how long it would take for this forum to grind down one of the very few voices of reason still posting.

Very sad. The one encouraging and positive light.

The only thing I find more depressing than losing is reading the shit on this forum.

If this dross is our window to the wider public no wonder spectator numbers are down.

I have never come across a more destructively negative group of supporters (so called) in my entire life. Many hiding behind anonymity to voice their own pet hates which they take great delight in airing whenever there is a loss.


"How the f**k do we survive when one day we almost inevitably go wooden spoon, when we can be mid table and talk about ineptitude, dross and pulling memberships?? There has been several such posts over the past few weeks."

I hate to think.