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Mariners Vs Adelaide

Forum Phoenix

Well-Known Member
Great game and MASSIVE 3 points for us.
We need to go on with it now. And we can.

Hucth to DM, he has a lot to prove and Griffiths has been far form perfect so I'm not very concerned by this change.

3 Matty

The other 3 (2+1) deserves to be spilt amongst the whole back line who were superb.
 

Capn Gus Bloodbeard

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Fox commentators reckon Pedj has a case to answer for elbowing a Adelaide player on the ground.

http://www.foxsports.com.au/football/ccm-v-ad/video-e6frf423-1225976446213?subcat=1111112039253

Pretty sure you will see it here.

I saw it live and it looked like the opposition player took Pedj down with interlocking elbows, and Pefj retaliated in frustration. Not much in it but might see a week out.

What do you think?

Not sure if Violent Conduct has a minimum suspension length

Anyway, from a different angle it looks like he wasn't even lashing out, just trying to pull his arm free and hit him by accident. Hopefully that angle is at least enough to give him the benefit of the doubt...
Also, Shepheard was right there and told Bojic to cut it out and get on with the game - so the referee has clearly seen the incident and made his decision, and surely it's a subjective decision and not 'blatantly incorrect enough' to warrant match review intervention.
 

Atomic

Well-Known Member
Hard to pick a standout MoM for mine, but I'd have to give my 3 points to Rose. The engine on that guy is awesome... and Pedj for that matter, who also had a top game, albeit a bit more shaky than Rose.
Dutchy... Pure class. No doubt about it.
A couple of thoughts about Perez. Correct me if I'm wrong, but he didn't touch the ball in the first 10 minutes. I was a bit concerned that his heart wasn't in it today. He eventually worked his way into the game. He did a lot of one touch passing back to the guy that passed him the ball in the first place. The thing I've noticed about that is that the guy getting the ball back from Perez suddenly finds himself in space. Perhaps the defences are so paranoid about what Perez could potentially do to them that they forget about the player passing the ball to him. Anyway, it was working a treat today. As the game went on, Perez spent more time on the ball. I think his game earnt a point in my 3,2,1.

So, in summary...

Rose 3
Dutchy 2
Perez 1 (along with Pedj and Simon)
 

pjennings

Well-Known Member
Perez played very much in our half in the first half. Second half I suspect he was under instructions to not drop so deep and we looked a lot better.
 

scottmac

Suspended
Did not have much to do. I still worry about his hands. Spills too many balls.

I think he trys to grab balls other keepers wouldn't. Even though he spills some it hasn't resulted in any goals except for his first match and put that down to first match jitters. He is still physically small and looks like a boy so with strength will come more control.

I think we have a brilliant keeper on our hands and one very much worthy of taking Danny's place
 

offtheball

Well-Known Member
I think he trys to grab balls other keepers wouldn't. Even though he spills some it hasn't resulted in any goals except for his first match and put that down to first match jitters. He is still physically small and looks like a boy so with strength will come more control.

I think we have a brilliant keeper on our hands and one very much worthy of taking Danny's place

Watched the drills he went through with Crawley at half time. He spilt 80% of the balls hit at him. Craley obviously sees it as an area of concern, as he is the only keeper that I have seen go through this at half time
 

Roy Law

Well-Known Member
I loved the way we finished the game. It reminded me of great Mariner finishes of the past: relentless assault on the opposition goal, attacking in waves, heart, courage, skill and imagination in abundance and a goal and so many that could have, or should have, been.
The game started slowly, the humidity taking its toll on both teams; the only highlights of the first half being arguments over whether Bojic should have had a penalty (yes) or Matt Simon’s powerful header was turned round the post for a corner (couldn’t tell). And whether Perez would turn up and play in the second half (he did).
Whilst Adelaide stayed at the same limp level as the first half the Mariners did not as they lifted the tempo and piled the pressure on the Reds. Something had to give and it was Matty Simon, leading the line superbly, who got things under way with a well executed goal. Brushing the Adelaide defender aside he headed for goal, leaned back as if to curl the shot into the top right and wrong-footed Galekovic comprehensively as he placed in the bottom left. His manic run to the bench in celebration suggests that the Mariners coaching staff have been encouraging him to show such initiative. Van Dyk’s own goal was just reward for all the attacking adventure of the Mariners in the second half and how on earth we didn’t score more, especially from Rose’s cross along the goal line is a mystery.
I may be mistaken, but I don’t recall Matt Ryan having to actually make a save – two shots went wide of the post with him diving full stretch but apart from a couple of might-have-beens with crosses into the box I don’t recall anything to trouble him. Galekovic was far busier.
Wilko may be the captain of the side but Zwaanswijk and Simon are the leaders. Zwaanswijk gave us muscle and skill, aggression and intelligence and a presence at the back. Simon was everywhere, turning lost causes into triumphs, physically intimidating but skilful too he was a real handful, never allowing Adelaide any time to relax. Led by these two the team lifted noticeably – Bojic and Rose were flying down the flanks, McGlinchey and Bozanic tirelessly worked their skilful magic, Griffiths made sure they had the possession required, Perez lifted and made dangerous highly skilled runs and Adelaide wilted under the heat. Well done Arnie, Mossy and Clarky. Next up, Melbourne, can’t wait!

MoM 3 points Zwaanswijk
2 points Simon
1 shared by Bojic and Rose
 

Fishsdad

Well-Known Member
First time that I can remember Matty Simon scoring from outside the 18 yard box.

We'll really be dangerous when/if our attaking mids start scoring goals. From memory, Perez/Amini, Bozanic and Wee-Mac have scored a grand total of 1 goal this year (Perez penalty vs Sydney FC). Their general play is terrific, and if they start adding to the score-sheet, we'll be very hard to stop (apart from the Roar, who are really classy).
 

universalmind

Well-Known Member
First time that I can remember Matty Simon scoring from outside the 18 yard box.

We'll really be dangerous when/if our attaking mids start scoring goals. From memory, Perez/Amini, Bozanic and Wee-Mac have scored a grand total of 1 goal this year (Perez penalty vs Sydney FC). Their general play is terrific, and if they start adding to the score-sheet, we'll be very hard to stop (apart from the Roar, who are really classy).

To be pedantic, Perez has scored 2 (both pens, the other was against NQLD at home when we won 3-2). But nonetheless not a lot of goals from the midfield.
 

bloggo

Well-Known Member
First time that I can remember Matty Simon scoring from outside the 18 yard box.

We'll really be dangerous when/if our attaking mids start scoring goals. From memory, Perez/Amini, Bozanic and Wee-Mac have scored a grand total of 1 goal this year (Perez penalty vs Sydney FC). Their general play is terrific, and if they start adding to the score-sheet, we'll be very hard to stop (apart from the Roar, who are really classy).

Perez also scored against Fury, so he has at least 2
 

Forum Phoenix

Well-Known Member
Made a beautiful run to draw 2 defenders off Matty for his goal.

I think as a player Perez is in danger of being a bit misunderstood by some. And I'm not talking about his dialect!! ;) (LMAO when Ryan Shepherd was giving him a talking to!) But watching the last few games and listening to the commentary of Rudan on the replay last night highlighted it...

In general play, Perez works very hard NOT to draw attention himself. He deliberately ghosts around... besides being a valid way to play at number 10' in any case - he is also quite simply the smallest player in the entire A league, and at his size you don't run around drawing huge amounts of attention to yourself constantly - which is great for creating disruption, as is done so well by Matty Simon for example - but if you do so, you will get plenty of attention, Barbiero checking you off the ball etc... and this is obviously why Matty is always up therefor the most fouled player in the league. Whether he wants to be or not, Perez has to be more circumspect than players like Flores or Hernandez...

So comments by Rudan that Perez better get himself into the game or inject himself blah blah are largely just ignorant rubbish based purely on a commentary perspective of desiring to increase the entertainment value in the game imo. Watching him when he's not getting the ball, I don;t think he goes missing at all like say Kwas can. That's more mental I think.

I believe it's clear that for Perez to operate effectively he needs either space as in the game is opening and giving him time on the ball, OR his players MUST constantly keep looking for him, because he is doing exactly what he obviously needs to, ghosting around trying not to draw much attention while also continually trying to place himself in positions to receive the ball. He does it VERY well and its wonderful to watch - but it's easily missed - even by his own players as yet I think - who have to learn to look for him and not be fooled by his seeming nonchalance etc...

His sharp and regular one touch passes show just how ready and capable he is of receiving the ball at any given moment, but also even his fast laying off is designed to teach opposition players that there's little point in wasting the energy of always trying to close him down immediately. It's not because he's not interested in taking responsibility. He has shown he will very happily hold onto the ball and make very telling runs etc... He wantss this, but he does it because eventually he is given more time and then becomes even more dangerous.

He is a very sophisticated player imo. For mine I don't think I have seen a more sophisticated yet in the HAL and if this guy was built like Didier Drogba or even say Pedj he'd be playing at the highest levels of football. Which is obviously why as a junior when players would have been smaller, he was of the incredible level of being an Argie international.

It's exciting. The more familiarity our players develop with him the better we will become as a team and the more dangerous in attack. Players like this are wonderful for the development of our league and our juniors. It's a match made in heaven having Musty along side him - and I am sincerely looking forward to the day when they are both on the park at the same time - though I appreciate getting the balance right may be challenging.






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Roy Law

Well-Known Member
being more pedantic - Lewis scored against Perth...
But the point is valid; however, Bozanic and McGlinchey have been getting forward more - McGlinchey hit a shot over yesterday and Bozanic was inches away from Rose's goal-line cross (and Bozanic would have scored against Perth but McBreen over hit the cross and Simon scored). Where it is a weakness is when we get crosses in (which is often) defenders only have to stop Simon and Kwasnik - even Amini and Perez don't get to the box quick enough - but that may be because it is damn hard keeping up with Josh Rose!
 

Jerem

Well-Known Member
Hard to pick a standout MoM for mine, but I'd have to give my 3 points to Rose. The engine on that guy is awesome... and Pedj for that matter, who also had a top game, albeit a bit more shaky than Rose.
Dutchy... Pure class. No doubt about it.
A couple of thoughts about Perez. Correct me if I'm wrong, but he didn't touch the ball in the first 10 minutes. I was a bit concerned that his heart wasn't in it today. He eventually worked his way into the game. He did a lot of one touch passing back to the guy that passed him the ball in the first place. The thing I've noticed about that is that the guy getting the ball back from Perez suddenly finds himself in space. Perhaps the defences are so paranoid about what Perez could potentially do to them that they forget about the player passing the ball to him. Anyway, it was working a treat today. As the game went on, Perez spent more time on the ball. I think his game earnt a point in my 3,2,1.

So, in summary...

Rose 3
Dutchy 2
Perez 1 (along with Pedj and Simon)

it seems to me some of the best players around are the ones that do the obvious brilliantly,i.e. Arjen Robben makes his run with the ball, and with out fail cuts inside his marker with the left foot and that marker is out of the equation, could be perez'version, either way give him time and hell be back at his best, did some great subtle passing to get flow happening. and with amini as a super sub no worries for me there, id love to see them both in a straight four or wide points of the diamond
 

style_cafe

Well-Known Member
"Simon was everywhere, turning lost causes into triumphs" By ROY LAW

One of the top 10 comments of the season!!!
 

Jerem

Well-Known Member
flat first half but second half of second half we buried them.
first half of second half we backed off them a bit. . .

Ryan.8.Is it the keeping coach or has this guy got great vision and timing, shut down angles in 1 on 1 sits and claimed lose balls early
Bojic.5. Good game not his best.
Rose.8. Top game, very impressive great runs.
Wilko.6. Much better, good game.
Dutchy.9 absolute weapon! towered over their forwards particularly ramsay even with his speed.
WeeMac. 6. not his best, was clearly done after 75 mins.
Griffiths.7.5
Perez.7 would love to see him have a crack at goal with that kind of touch, a fowler esque, placement over power man.
Olly.6 s needs a couple of years in ajax academy getting some bergkampness and an idea of the weight of the ball and physics
Simon.7 Great goal. soft yellow
Kwas 7. suprising! was giving the rare compliment too.
MINI 7 did what he had to do, caused them trouble in defence too
Mcbreen 6 did work his nut off,

would still love to see some of the youth strikers and forwards get even 15 minutes
Was extremely impressed with the switch of play left to right, vica versa, esp, from dutchy and Wee mac
made our options endless.

3pts Dutchy.
2pts Ryan
1pt perez

to NYE!!
 

style_cafe

Well-Known Member
I think as a player Perez is in danger of being a bit misunderstood by some. And I'm not talking about his dialect!! ;) (LMAO when Ryan Shepherd was giving him a talking to!) But watching the last few games and listening to the commentary of Rudan on the replay last night highlighted it...

In general play, Perez works very hard NOT to draw attention himself. He deliberately ghosts around... besides being a valid way to play at number 10' in any case - he is also quite simply the smallest player in the entire A league, and at his size you don't run around drawing huge amounts of attention to yourself constantly - which is great for creating disruption, as is done so well by Matty Simon for example - but if you do so, you will get plenty of attention, Barbiero checking you off the ball etc... and this is obviously why Matty is always up therefor the most fouled player in the league. Whether he wants to be or not, Perez has to be more circumspect than players like Flores or Hernandez...

So comments by Rudan that Perez better get himself into the game or inject himself blah blah are largely just ignorant rubbish based purely on a commentary perspective of desiring to increase the entertainment value in the game imo. Watching him when he's not getting the ball, I don;t think he goes missing at all like say Kwas can. That's more mental I think.

I believe it's clear that for Perez to operate effectively he needs either space as in the game is opening and giving him time on the ball, OR his players MUST constantly keep looking for him, because he is doing exactly what he obviously needs to, ghosting around trying not to draw much attention while also continually trying to place himself in positions to receive the ball. He does it VERY well and its wonderful to watch - but it's easily missed - even by his own players as yet I think - who have to learn to look for him and not be fooled by his seeming nonchalance etc...

His sharp and regular one touch passes show just how ready and capable he is of receiving the ball at any given moment, but also even his fast laying off is designed to teach opposition players that there's little point in wasting the energy of always trying to close him down immediately. It's not because he's not interested in taking responsibility. He has shown he will very happily hold onto the ball and make very telling runs etc... He want this, but he does it because eventually he is given more time and then becomes even more dangerous.

He is a very sophisticated player imo. For mine I don't think I have seen a more sophisticated yet in the HAL and if this guy was built like Didier Drogba or even say Pedj he'd be playing at the highest levels of football. Which is obviously why as a junior when players would have been smaller, he was of the incredible level of being an Argie international.

It's exciting. The more familiarity our players develop with him the better we will become as a team and the more dangerous in attack. Players like this are wonderful for the development of our league and our juniors. It's a match made in heaven having Musty along side him - and I am sincerely looking forward to the day when they are both on the park at the same time - though I appreciate getting the balance right may be challenging.






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I enjoy reading your posts...always interesting,well written & balanced.
 

Nik Mrdjas Disco Bikkie

Well-Known Member
I think Perez was great last night. He can do more in 1 touch than most players take 3 touches to do. His vision and awareness of those around him is brilliant.
 

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