Mariners V Perth

[MrCelery]

i would have expected Hutch to take the penalty in the absence of Perez

I agree. Strange decision to have Matty taking it. Hutch is the obvious choice.

Still. A great 3 points away with 4 of our core players rested.

ARNOLD = GENIUS

 

[adz]

Adz - 5 games to go, about time we got that table calculator back up

It's up and running here
Thread with explanation here

 

[scottmac]

It's up and running here
Thread with explanation here

No matter how I do it I just cant realistically have us winning the Premiers plate. Without a loss and only 1 draw I can only see us matching Brisbane and coming second on GD

 

[bikinigirl]

No matter how I do it I just cant realistically have us winning the Premiers plate. Without a loss and only 1 draw I can only see us matching Brisbane and coming second on GD

. probably why i am still dirty we let the win slip away against brisbane

 

[scoober]

its a two horse race for second. i think gold coast has arduously the hardest run in. if we stay solid second can be ours before adelaide's, first aint gonna happen no matter how badly brisbane slump.

 

[Atomic]

. probably why i am still dirty we let the win slip away against brisbane

... and Melbourne

 

[cbowden9000]

I agree. Strange decision to have Matty taking it. Hutch is the obvious choice.

Still. A great 3 points away with 4 of our core players rested.

ARNOLD = GENIUS

Matty took it because he is a chance of Golden Boot. Teams around the world often do this near the end of the season for their highest scorer. Too bad Matty is hopeless at penalties...

 

[bikinigirl]

Matty took it because he is a chance of Golden Boot. Teams around the world often do this near the end of the season for their highest scorer. Too bad Matty is hopeless at penalties...

. impact on the match aside ... it would be counter-productive if it effected his confidence in front of goal

. are you suggesting that if perez was on the pitch matty still would have been handed the ball?

 

[style_cafe]

Ok...congratuations to all for another 3 points.

It wasn`t a great game but we did just enough to ensure 2nd place so that`s a positive.

I noticed though that in the SFC thread it said that Dutchy,Rose & Kwassie were all coming back from injuries.

So, FP, were they really rested or injured?

I raised the question of Dutchy being injured a few weeks ago after he had some below "his usual high standard " performances.

If they were all carrying injuries it changes the arguement somewhat, as I said previously.

However, if they were rested due to the shithouse scheduling of matches then the success of the "resting" policy won`t be able to be gauged until we play our next few games.

IMO if those players "RESTED" play better than those that played in Perth, then yes,I`ll put my hand up & say I was wrong & the policy was successful (hell I`ll even buy FP a beer or two).

 

[style_cafe]

Tired players with no rest don't become better players. Why not blood the youth and give them a go in the team so when players get injured/suspended we have players who at least have SOME experience at the top flight.

Why don't Man U / Arsenal / Chelsea play full strength teams twice a week? Player burn out. They have big squads so they can handle the amount of fixtures. We are going an intense period, players will burn out and become useless if they play every single game.

Arnold has justified his decision to rest a few key players with a 2-1 away win at Perth.

Revilo- I`m not saying don`t give the youth a go.I love watching young players step up.

I just question the "resting policy".

I realise the schedule is gruelling & I realise the players get tired.I`ve seen it & coached through it.(Albeit at a different level).

If a player is carrying an injury then resting him against a weaker oppsition makes sense. No problem.

But to rest him because he`s tired? Fark they`re all tired, I`m tired too!
But when you`re in a team & the chips are down, you want to know that the guy next to you will go that bit extra.That you can all pull together & get through the adversity.
It builds character, it bond teams together & can make them even stronger!

These are tired players,but they do get rest.
They have 3-4 days between games & are in excellent condition.( Clarkey has done a fabulous job)
I know it`s not ideal but we`re stuck with it.

As for Man U/ Arsenal/ Chelsea etc. ummm.. I think you`ll find they do play their top side twice a week very regularly.
They also have a much larger pool of top class players available to them. Unfortunately we don`t.

As for the justification of resting players by getting a 2-1 win I totally disagree with you. The justification will come in the next few games if those rested players increase their contribution to the team more so than those that were not "rested".

 

[cbowden9000]

Are you suggesting that if Perez was on the pitch Matty still would have been handed the ball?

I don't believe so. Perez is clearly a penalty expert and the team would come before the player. When Perez is absent however there is no clear stand-out penalty expert, so it then reverts to who would benefit the most from it.

 

[Redshirt]

There is a massive difference between England and even mainland Europe from us... and that is what? an hour flight as compared to an hour bus ride, then a 5 hour plane trip over 2 time zones and back again.

These guys played at 10pm - midnight according to their bodies. No matter how hard you push yourself, you're going to feel tired. You will make mistakes. No doubt the rested players would have given it their all, but "their all" when they're fatigued after the long trip would risk having them becoming a liability more than anything and surely there's only so much conditioning one can do..

I think people underestimate the trip to Perth... it's one thing to catch a plane and sit in the grandstand having a few drinks but it's another to have 3 days preparation for such a long trip to play a team quite happy in their comfort zone.

 

[Forum Phoenix]

There is a massive difference between England and even mainland Europe from us... and that is what? an hour flight as compared to an hour bus ride, then a 5 hour plane trip over 2 time zones and back again.

These guys played at 10pm - midnight according to their bodies. No matter how hard you push yourself, you're going to feel tired. You will make mistakes. No doubt the rested players would have given it their all, but "their all" when they're fatigued after the long trip would risk having them becoming a liability more than anything and surely there's only so much conditioning one can do..

I think people underestimate the trip to Perth... it's one thing to catch a plane and sit in the grandstand having a few drinks but it's another to have 3 days preparation for such a long trip to play a team quite happy in their comfort zone.

I agree Redshirt. Its been a massive ask. Quite an incredible performance really. Only Brisbane has managed likewise. Everyone else floundered a few times and or has picked up significant injuries.

Style, lol. Nice little attempt there...

But as it happens, I've never seen "rested" listed on the team sheet lists before (which is where SFC forum pulled the info from) As it happens Arnie had mentioned prior to the game, that they were carrying niggles and or playing through various degrees of injuries. However this is very common this late in a regular season... and you certainly can't have a schedule like we've had and realistically expect anything else. Which makes a pretty compelling case for resting key and older players don't you think? Especially as in all honesty its a bloody marvel of modern sports medicine (thanks to Clarkey, Pete, Denny and co) that we have many players on the park at all.

And t conclude your honour...

I would juts like to quote what GA said in reference to why he was resting our best defender...

"He's just played three games in one week and he's 36 years old!"

Honestly Style, you'd be one scary ass manager to play under!



So I'll agree to disagree as there's certainly no disputing you obviously bleed yellow!
Even if you seem a little too want to smear said players yellow blood across ME BANK stadium for my liking

 

[Roy Law]

Players can carry niggling injuries into games; if we had played at home on Wednesday I doubt any would have been rested but as Arnie also said to sit on a plane to Perth is not ideal preparation and would make a player with a niggling injury vulnerable to making that injury worse and thus miss important upcoming games. Plus the flight back would not help either. So Arnie 'rested' 4 players who were 'injured'.

 

[Bex]

As for the justification of resting players by getting a 2-1 win I totally disagree with you. The justification will come in the next few games if those rested players increase their contribution to the team more so than those that were not "rested".

Another way to look at it is that the players that were rested may have hit the wall or become injured in following games if they were not rested. We will never know if that would have happened. However, the fact we won shows that it didn't harm us to rest the players. We can say however that we've minimised the risk of players hitting the wall or getting injured and that's got to be a good thing.

 

[style_cafe]

Another way to look at it is that the players that were rested may have hit the wall or become injured in following games if they were not rested. We will never know if that would have happened. However, the fact we won shows that it didn't harm us to rest the players. We can say however that we've minimised the risk of players hitting the wall or getting injured and that's got to be a good thing.

Bex
Mate you summed that up beautifully.
Thankyou