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Mariners Squad - HAL 14 - 2018- 2019 - The challenge for Mike Mulvey is over

scottmac

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So how is that in our (the fans) best interest?
It`s in our best interest for him to stay so Roma coughs up the $350,000 instead of MC.
I`m sure that money could be wisely spent elsewhere...:popcorn:
That's if you think DDS is worth it. On last year that 500k of our cap was a massive waste. He was barely worth the 150k we gave him.
 

Coastalraider

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If DDS wants to leave why can't by mutual agreement (Baro style) they agree to terminate the contract and send him back to Roma. Unless it is Mulvey wanting to keep him?
That would presume that Roma want him? They have had him out on loan ever since he was signed - they may just be happy to have some other team paying a % of his wage until his contract runs out. I presume given we announced a 3 year contract last year that we would be bound to pay that if Roma decide that THEIR best option is to have us paying that %, as apparently other teams are bulking at having his total earning counting towards the cap.
 

Coastalraider

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That's if you think DDS is worth it. On last year that 500k of our cap was a massive waste. He was barely worth the 150k we gave him.

But from managements point of view it was a great signing - they are required to have a minimum $$ amount to meet cap minimum spend, but by having him they actually only had to spend $350k under that minimum requirement.

Whether we like it or not, our managers focus is on limiting spending during this period of the clubs history. He has a minim wage bill that must be met, and he signed a deal last year where for 3 years he could count on NOT actually having to finance over $1mill over that 3 year year period, but still have the value included in the cap. That is bloody great work from a business perspective. The issue is that DDS didnt live up to the hype - and his manager is now appearing to look at ANY other option for him, and it seems that his position here is not sustainable.
 

pjennings

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At some level MC must have approved the get out of jail free clause - he must have known this was a possibility when Okon and the club parted ways.
 

Gratis

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definitely, and I'm sure those clauses delayed Okon's outing for longer than might otherwise have gone on
 

Big Al

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With so much speculation about dds it is doing my head in. People saying he’s gone ........ he’s not gone ...........

He’s getting 150, 200, 500,000............. he’s waiting for grella, okon, city to make up their minds........... he’s looking for a flat on central coast, his brother has signed, his brother has not signed .............. now his parents are aware of his attitude problem :mad::mad::mad::mad:

I don’t think I care anymore. What is frustrating is that management needs to update everybody about the state of affairs regarding the team ......
Your argument is the exact reason for no communication. It’s all still up in the air and you could presume we are still in the race until he finds an alternative as we hold the Current contract. He won’t get out until he has something else. Neither you or I would.
It’s hard to guess as the club don’t like giving bad news but they had the chance to throw him over board when they cut everybody post season or with Trent etc.

So I’d probably guess he is still under contract and getting paid by us until he has a better opportunity.
 

Big Al

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Also what are DDS chances at other clubs.

SFC have Ninkovic in his spot. If they lost O’Neil or Brillante would he they want DDS to replace and would he want to be that deep on the pitch?

MV has Troisi and as Marquee I think, so no room.

City certainly do have room but are baulking

Roar tried and have gone for Mauk

Perth have Castro

Jets have imports there

WSW possible
AU possible
Nix possible
 
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scottmac

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. because it means MC would have to find another $350k which he has allocated elsewhere and he can't afford (or is unwilling) to go there
He did it the year before DDS signed so he actually saved 350k this year rather than lose it next year. So we get back to the point of if can't afford the floor or is unwilling then why are you here?
Also if you allocate that part of the floor elsewhere and can't afford to cough up then why agree to a get out clause? Not very smart
 

Woollybutt

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If DDS wants to leave why can't by mutual agreement (Baro style) they agree to terminate the contract and send him back to Roma. Unless it is Mulvey wanting to keep him?
Most mutual terminations require the club to pay out part of the player's contract. I'm pretty sure Eddy Bosnar and Marcel Seip left by mutual agreement, but it still cost us a fortune to get rid of them. It depends whether Brama and Baro wanted out or the club wanted them gone, but we almost certainly paid them something. If De Silva invokes the Okon Clause we probably wouldn't have to pay out any of his contract, whereas if we tried to negotiate a mutual termination we'd end up giving him a payout that he could then use to subsidise a deal with another A-League club offering lower wages. Given how tight the budget is I don't think the club would want to waste money paying out De Silva just to get the saga over with.
 

Big Al

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Most mutual terminations require the club to pay out part of the player's contract. I'm pretty sure Eddy Bosnar and Marcel Seip left by mutual agreement, but it still cost us a fortune to get rid of them. It depends whether Brama and Baro wanted out or the club wanted them gone, but we almost certainly paid them something. If De Silva invokes the Okon Clause we probably wouldn't have to pay out any of his contract, whereas if we tried to negotiate a mutual termination we'd end up giving him a payout that he could then use to subsidise a deal with another A-League club offering lower wages. Given how tight the budget is I don't think the club would want to waste money paying out De Silva just to get the saga over with.
There are two types of mutual consent.

1. Player wants out. Club agrees as don’t want him. Club pays nothing and could possibly get some money from the player to let him leave.

2. Club wants player out. Player agrees for payment as he’d loose his wage. This is the only way the club should be paying players after they have left
 

Woollybutt

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There are two types of mutual consent.

1. Player wants out. Club agrees as don’t want him. Clubs pays nothing and could possibly get some from player.

2. Club wants player out. Player agrees for payment as if he agreed he’d loose his wage. This is the only way the club should be paying players after they have left
In theory yes, but you'd be surprised how often Type 1 still results in a player getting a payout, usually on the basis of unpaid bonuses and things like that. It will often be quite small, but the club very rarely wins. Even when you sell a player for a fee you can end up having to use the fee to compensate the player for unpaid bonuses.
 

Ancient Mariner

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For $150,000/year (with Roma paying $350,000) I think he is value and should be kept if at all possible and, as appears to be happening, his options everywhere else are limited.

What he and Grella have got to decide, is how much of a cut in salary, how much angst with Roma are they prepared to take, and will he get a good chance to show and develop his potential elsewhere, balanced against what are the chances that the Mariners will not be a basket case next year . $500,000 and a guaranteed starting spot is a lot better deal than he will find elsewhere.

After the second half of last season I would not blame anyone with ability looking for greener pastures. However, we all hope that next year under Mulvey will be different. It is up to the Club to convince DDS and Grella that it will be. If it is, it is a good deal for DDS.

One way or the other it must be cleared up soon for the benefit of both parties. I doubt we will hear of major signings by the Club until this happens. If he goes the major signing must be a #10.
 
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bikinigirl

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He did it the year before DDS signed so he actually saved 350k this year rather than lose it next year. So we get back to the point of if can't afford the floor or is unwilling then why are you here?
Also if you allocate that part of the floor elsewhere and can't afford to cough up then why agree to a get out clause? Not very smart

. that is a bit of a nonsense argument when you have disagreed with what i have said above ... because you have effectively now agreed - it will have a $350k detrimental effect on MC's current financial situation whether you like it or not (or, indeed, whether he has planned for it or not)
 

bikinigirl

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One way or the other it must be cleared up soon for the benefit of both parties. I doubt we will hear of major signings by the Club until this happens. If he goes the major signing must be a #10.

. excellent summary of the situation - the only question i have relates to the closing paragraph - because i don't think it will ever be cleared up

. unless there is a sunset date on the 'Okon exit clause' - he can, in theory, walk away at any point of the next two years ... no negotiation and no opportunity for the Mariners to plan for, or be compensated for, such an eventuality
 

Ancient Mariner

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The only detrimental effect of Roma paying $350,000 is that it counts towards the cap, it is money from Roma not MC. Now if DDS goes and is replaced by a $5,000,000 #10 MC pays.

As to the get out clause, it was worth it to get DDS's signature. No one expected Okon to turn out a team like he did last season.All the talk here and elsewhere was of the feeling that he was good with donkeys how good would he be with his own chosen team. I seem to remember that the biggest worry was that Sydney were going to steal him.

Wisdom with hindsight is a wonderful thing.
 

Josho Howe

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Might be resolved by end of financial year? July will hopefully see us add the rest of the players for the season. Pre-season starts next week.
 

adz

Moderator
Staff member
Not sure when the mess with the FFA is going to be sorted out too - think there was another deadline coming up?
The "New A-League" to start shortly thereafter?

o_O
 

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