Mariners Squad - HAL 14 - 2018- 2019 - The challenge for Mike Mulvey is over

[localpom]

Same sinking feeling

Lets wait to see who else we get. If we get Aiden O'Neill from Burnley will be a great pick up and no visa spot. Has some EPL and League 1 experience so should perform well at A league level. I'm sure we will also get a visa striker and hopefully another right sided player. Lots of movement yet before i start sinking.

 

[Michael]

I’ve just about given up on having a complete squad by atleast early August..
Let’s hope it’s full by early September

 

[Offsider]

That is my fear as well for players like Clisby, Wee Mac, Gameiro and Simon.

Charlesworth’s reputation is out there and for all to see.

I would imagine if I was an agent I would not suggest going to ccm but to wait in npl and try harder for a real opportunity.

 

[Insertnamehere]

Charlesworth’s reputation is out there and for all to see.

I would imagine if I was an agent I would not suggest going to ccm but to wait in npl and try harder for a real opportunity.

And they are plentiful.......

 

[pjennings]

That is my fear as well for players like Clisby, Wee Mac, Gameiro and Simon.

Each of these players are HAL level players - but only at the right price - and that isn't terribly high. I can't believe Mulvey would have wasted too much, but that may well be me looking at it via my navy and yellow glasses talking

 

[Capn Gus Bloodbeard]

We all know how bad our contracts were last season with the Okon out clause. Is it possible we've blown all the contract negotiations and this is our squad ?
I'm losing hope on a striker.

 

[Scotty]

We all know how bad our contracts were last season with the Okon out clause. Is it possible we've blown all the contract negotiations and this is our squad ?
I'm losing hope on a striker.

Yep, it's looking less likely that we will get that striker news.
I think we all agree that it's the one position that we really want quality in.
We may get that from Corey, although I can't see immediate results from him.

 

[nebakke]

Charlesworth’s reputation is out there and for all to see.

I would imagine if I was an agent I would not suggest going to ccm but to wait in npl and try harder for a real opportunity.

All due respect mate, that'd make you a piss-poor agent. We might be a shit team to play for and Charlesworth might even handle things poorly, but - players seem to find somewhere paid, to go after abandoning us as well, which can't be said for many of the current NPL players. Just look at the lamentations about the people that have missed out, around here.
I don't think any of us like it but, the club still has the negotiating advantage with the less proven players, one way or another, it's plain ole supply/demand.

 

[Forum Phoenix]

Charlesworth’s reputation is out there and for all to see.

I would imagine if I was an agent I would not suggest going to ccm but to wait in npl and try harder for a real opportunity.

Said no agent ever.

ridiculous post.

 

[FFC Mariner]

We all know how bad our contracts were last season with the Okon out clause. Is it possible we've blown all the contract negotiations and this is our squad ?
I'm losing hope on a striker.

Only TCT had an Okon out clause didn't he?

 

[localpom]

All due respect mate, that'd make you a piss-poor agent. We might be a shit team to play for and Charlesworth might even handle things poorly, but - players seem to find somewhere paid, to go after abandoning us as well, which can't be said for many of the current NPL players. Just look at the lamentations about the people that have missed out, around here.
I don't think any of us like it but, the club still has the negotiating advantage with the less proven players, one way or another, it's plain ole supply/demand.

There are only 10 clubs and plenty of players looking. We might not be the most attractive club to come to but there are many players desperate for a full time gig.

 

[Forum Phoenix]

We still need to strengthen. And I still expect we will. Maybe it will prove enough, maybe it won’t, but peope are losing the plot around here.

We’ve only ever signed one coach that has won the league before. And it’s this one.

Mulvey has Graft, so does Shaun, and Monty is made of the stuff.

No way they’re swanning around. I bet theyre sweating blood at training and they’re building a team that will fight hard so win or lose we can be proud of them.

I might be wrong, but I plan to at least wait till we prove ourselves shit again before slitting my digital wrists every day,

Blind optimism can be frustrating and childish, but speculation gets boring when it’s just constantly assuming the worst and imagining our demise.

 

[Offsider]

All due respect mate, that'd make you a piss-poor agent. We might be a shit team to play for and Charlesworth might even handle things poorly, but - players seem to find somewhere paid, to go after abandoning us as well, which can't be said for many of the current NPL players. Just look at the lamentations about the people that have missed out, around here.
I don't think any of us like it but, the club still has the negotiating advantage with the less proven players, one way or another, it's plain ole supply/demand.

You assume ccm or nothing .......... which was not implied nor realistic of any situation. It would make me an agent that put my clients aspirations before my greed .......... oh !!! Wait !!!! ........... you are right. I would make a piss poor agent .......... well not piss poor because I drink enough cask wine to be wealthy in your assessment ability ......... but poor non the less.

Agree with your assessment of mc but your team description is cruel in that it would seem to be prudent to await at least till the signings are finished, because at the moment only just over half the team is on deck and not all of them are as you describe ........... that’s me being positive about the season . I am not sure that the lamentations of the npl players that have missed out that you refer to ........were actually good enough in the first place........... that’s the player’s ability not their lamentations

Cheers.

 

[Offsider]

There are only 10 clubs and plenty of players looking. We might not be the most attractive club to come to but there are many players desperate for a full time gig.

The point I would put is there are only ten teams this year. Next year that will change and the likelyhood of a sec division sooner rather than later.

I would think ......... and this is only my opinion .......... that I would rather be a player looking for a gig coming out of a successful npl gig than a reject from an aleague spooner. The danger of a fringe player not breaking into the first eleven is too great when patience of twelve months is nothing at this stage........... if you get my drift.

 

[Capn Gus Bloodbeard]

Only TCT had an Okon out clause didn't he?

Dds did. Not sure if anybody else did

 

[Capn Gus Bloodbeard]

The point I would put is there are only ten teams this year. Next year that will change and the likelyhood of a sec division sooner rather than later.

I would think ......... and this is only my opinion .......... that I would rather be a player looking for a gig coming out of a successful npl gig than a reject from an aleague spooner. The danger of a fringe player not breaking into the first eleven is too great when patience of twelve months is nothing at this stage........... if you get my drift.

Easier to switch HAL teams than get picked up by one. Nobody is going to say no to a call up, within reason Though it may factor in if somebody would need to relocate

 

[Offsider]

We still need to strengthen. And I still expect we will. Maybe it will prove enough, maybe it won’t, but peope are losing the plot around here.

We’ve only ever signed one coach that has won the league before. And it’s this one.

Mulvey has Graft, so does Shaun, and Monty is made of the stuff.

No way they’re swanning around. I bet theyre sweating blood at training and they’re building a team that will fight hard so win or lose we can be proud of them.

I might be wrong, but I plan to at least wait till we prove ourselves shit again before slitting my digital wrists every day,

Blind optimism can be frustrating and childish, but speculation gets boring when it’s just constantly assuming the worst and imagining our demise.

Won the league but sacked the next year with the results of his team after six months ......... just sayin’. That’s not speculation is it ???

 

[Rowdy]

Dds did. Not sure if anybody else did

???
Didn't it (Okon leaving) only then allow him to negotiate a possible move that still required the new buyer paying CCM the buy-out figure ..... thus he couldnt just up & leave.

It was a 3 year deal ! (now made 4 years w/ loan to SydFC) why would you give a player a 'clause out' of his contract, activated if the Coach leaves
...... with the high possibillity of said Coach (who's already into his 2nd year of his contract) leaving during any one of those 3 years of DDS's deal

 

[localpom]

The point I would put is there are only ten teams this year. Next year that will change and the likelyhood of a sec division sooner rather than later.

I would think ......... and this is only my opinion .......... that I would rather be a player looking for a gig coming out of a successful npl gig than a reject from an aleague spooner. The danger of a fringe player not breaking into the first eleven is too great when patience of twelve months is nothing at this stage........... if you get my drift.

We need a good season desperately that's for sure. I think we will and it's critical we build credibility again.

 

[JoyfulPenguin]

We still need to strengthen. And I still expect we will. Maybe it will prove enough, maybe it won’t, but peope are losing the plot around here.

We’ve only ever signed one coach that has won the league before. And it’s this one.

Mulvey has Graft, so does Shaun, and Monty is made of the stuff.

No way they’re swanning around. I bet theyre sweating blood at training and they’re building a team that will fight hard so win or lose we can be proud of them.

I might be wrong, but I plan to at least wait till we prove ourselves shit again before slitting my digital wrists every day,

Blind optimism can be frustrating and childish, but speculation gets boring when it’s just constantly assuming the worst and imagining our demise.

I desperately, desperately don't want to be pessimistic about this season. I want to be optimistic and saying we are going to win the league, which I was at the start of last season but this year I am really struggling to see it this time. I have been blindly optimistic and supporting Charlesworth's vision since I became a Mariners fan over three years ago, but where has that taken us? Two spoons and 8th place and being thrown out of the FFA Cup by two semi-professional clubs that we have every conceivable advantage against. We have a weaker line up on paper then last season and look where last season's team got us. Yes we do have Mulvey and Hiariej but how many of our team are true proven players at this level? McGlinchey and Simon's success over four seasons ago doesn't breed much confidence for today. Our Goalkeeping stocks are thin and that is especially galling considering we had probably the best young keepers in the HAL only a couple of seasons ago. Our defenders are either coming off long term injuries, Aspro and Golec, have not played or barely played in the HAL, Cisse and Rowles, or are not playing in their preferred positions, Clisby and McGing. I truly hope Mulvey is our savior but he took probably the greatest HAL side of all time to a championship after they took a slight mis-step the season before. He is attempting a far more difficult task this season and his last truly difficult assignment with Gold Coast United didn't end so well. I desperately want to be optimistic but so many things seem to be going not to plan and lessons we have learned in previous years are not being utilized. Charlesworth's plans for future successes have either failed to be implemented properly or were never implemented in the first place. Remember we were told that we would be spending the full cap after Okon's first season and that we would have an every other season marquee. That the COE would be a world class facility and that traveling national teams would want to train at when it isn't even good enough for us? That we would be making money off the COE and that would finance us and make us sustainable? That we would have stadium rights and potentially even own the stadium. Our partnership with Everton and opportunity for players to come out on loans. Harry Redknapp as a consultant even Okon being the best candidate as our manager he has been reported to only be picked because the FFA were willing to pay a portion of his wage. None of these plans have worked, none of these things have put us in a better position than we were in with 2015. Shaun has said that we are still in debt, that we are still only able to pay the bare minimum so if this is our existence from now on, when and how we will ever be able to compete? When everything is a cost cutting exercise except if it can generate some publicity. Where do we end up especially with more expansion teams coming in and Promotion and Relegation on the horizon. Tell me please I beg you, because I desperately want to be optimistic for the future of our fantastic club, but I just can't see it.