Mariners Squad - HAL 12 - 2016 - 2017

[soccer mad]

Has Galloway been confirmed yet , very good prospect for us .

 

[Gratis]

for interest really as I know we discussed him at the time...“They certainly need some leadership defensively. I know for a fact they were interested in Nikolai Topor-Stanley but the money couldn’t be found and he went to the UAE...”
http://www.foxsports.com.au/footbal...n/news-story/4cda326f2cdd648d9a4d602761bccf17

 

[Forum Phoenix]

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Stupid post! Hasn't had a chance? So 54 games is not a significant chance?. Stupidity is not checking your facts. He was not getting a game because he was poor and failed. Muscat gave him plenty of opportunity(54 games) but gave up 12 months ago when he got stood up half a dozen times in a semi. We don't need a 21 year old back, we need a centre back with class. Regardless I'm entitled to my opinion and at least I based it on fact.

Of course you're entitled to your opinion. But if I think it's stupid "my opinion" I can say that too.

Perfect that after your sweeping condemnation you now have a go at lack of 'facts' while making broad assumptions based on one fact - that he has played 54 games for victory - and purport that he had a bad semi once - so must be bad.

Connor Pain played 53 games for victory over the same four year period. Left because he couldn't get first team football.. so he must be rubbish too right?

You talk facts like you know why muscat 'stood him down'. Yet he's had game time since then? If muscat thought he was rubbish he would have punted him surely? - not exactly known for his soft heart is he - but no, he only released him on the final day, in the last few hours of the transfer window because the kid was pushing to be released so he can try and get regular first team football, and thinks he has a better chance here than there. On our defensive record.. Seems like pretty good judgement on his part to me.

Here are some other facts:
He's only twenty one.
Good athletically and technically
Those 54 appearances were over 2013,14,15,16 combine with Roos stuff, AIS, and for his age that's very solid experience.
MV signed him Stella and makourounas(sp?) dropped Stella a year later. Jesse they let go to AU - the only one they've tried to keep was Galloway... because he's shit? Because Kev has that soft heart? (he wouldn't keep a player in the squad if their grandmother needed an operation) Or because he's pretty good?

From everything I've seen and heard, he's just a kid who fought hard for a place but has been losing out to someone who is faster- geria though you can argue whether is on balance a better defender than him. Certainly MV fans who believe Galloway is better defensively than Geria - but regardless - there's no shame in that. And Georgievski is as Dibo said in his prime and he's good.

I get we want and need some experience. But $ etc etc.., and those things still don't make him a 'bad' signing. As long as he's better than what we have.

But you started to rip into him and the club over his signing? And it was no great factual mind blowing piece - it read like emotive, ranting, piffle. So yeah, it's your opinion. And yeah, mine ,in this instance, is that in that post it sounded stupid.

Don't worry mate it's not personal, I say plenty of things that I think are stupid too.

Though your whole research research boys stuff I think is just patronising and arrogant on a forum like this.

 

[Forum Phoenix]

Has Galloway been confirmed yet , very good prospect for us .

Not by ccm. But yes it's done I believe.

 

[style_cafe]

But the cap matters - that's my point, and Dibo's...
If the new cap is - say 5 mill - and we're spending the full cap, any spending that other clubs do beyond ours is going to be on marquees and they don't often become the one thing that makes a team unbeatable. Especially not over a season
Our current problem is arguably with the quality of the more "cattle class" type players that fill the squad. While the cap exists no club will out spend us by 5 mill on them.

I see where you`re coming from but I also think that player budget has a big effect on what "cattle class" we also get.
Clubs with Higher quality players already, use that to attract younger players.
ie. Melb City :- If you sign for us you get to train & play with Cahill & Fornaroli
CCM :- If you sign with us you get to play with Faty & Taveres.
At this stage we can`t compete with that.
It also makes it easier to see why Galloway& Pain moved to us as they now have a better opportunity to play more 1st team football.

 

[Forum Phoenix]

You're not wrong either I think style - but there are a number of things - chiefly demographics - which are out of our control - so our best hope to ever be able to truly match pace with the bigger clubs is by the long term ideas the club are actioning.

My biggest fear has been we wouldn't even survive to do that or we remain so poor like last year that we couldn't field a HAL standard side. I think the bump in the funds can only help with that. But you're right in that it won't solve the bigger problem of better funded clubs and their rosters, but I think it will amlmost certainly help us to do all the other things that may. Not directly, but by taking the pressure off even having enough funds to meet the cap for our squad.

 

[nebakke]

I see where you`re coming from but I also think that player budget has a big effect on what "cattle class" we also get.
Clubs with Higher quality players already, use that to attract younger players.
ie. Melb City :- If you sign for us you get to train & play with Cahill & Fornaroli
CCM :- If you sign with us you get to play with Faty & Taveres.
At this stage we can`t compete with that.
It also makes it easier to see why Galloway& Pain moved to us as they now have a better opportunity to play more 1st team football.

I don't necessarily disagree but, fortunately, I think there are other things than big-name players, that can draw in new blood - luckily for us. Up until these last couple of seasons, I think our "little-team-that-could" performance together with our history of bleeding young players, has been a big factor up until last year.
If we can work towards rebuilding that, I'd suggest that it could arguably give us a bit of a competitive advantage over the richer teams who tend towards splurging their cash on signing some of those older, bigger names.

Besides, the whole idea was supposed to be that we roll our own, so-to-speak... So if we can develop a couple extra Trents, I think we'll be on the right path again

 

[style_cafe]

I don't necessarily disagree but, fortunately, I think there are other things than big-name players, that can draw in new blood - luckily for us. Up until these last couple of seasons, I think our "little-team-that-could" performance together with our history of bleeding young players, has been a big factor up until last year.
If we can work towards rebuilding that, I'd suggest that it could arguably give us a bit of a competitive advantage over the richer teams who tend towards splurging their cash on signing some of those older, bigger names.

Besides, the whole idea was supposed to be that we roll our own, so-to-speak... So if we can develop a couple extra Trents, I think we'll be on the right path again

The only problem is over the last 2 years the "Trent`s" have dried up.
Walmsley was good at finding gems like that & being successful like we were also helped encourage the youngsters in our direction.
Hopefully, with Okon`s eye for talent we can return to those days of glory but it will take a few years of moving forward slowly.

 

[Paolo]

Other clubs might spend up on marquees so their 2-3 best players might be better than our 2-3 best, but they won't have the competitive advantage that they currently have of their entire squad being on average better than ours.

until we take advantage of marquees, other clubs will always have the competitivs advantage of the entire squad being better on average as they are splitting the cap over less players.

 

[mick]

Has Galloway been confirmed yet , very good prospect for us .

His wikipedia page says he plays for us

 

[dibo]

until we take advantage of marquees, other clubs will always have the competitivs advantage of the entire squad being better on average as they are splitting the cap over less players.

The MLS does a pretty clever thing there - they allocate part of the cap to the designated player. That way the clubs don't get to extract a double benefit.

His wikipedia page says he plays for us

If you give me five minutes it can say he gets around by magic carpet.

 

[dibo]

Check now: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_Galloway

 

[dibo]

For posterity

 

[mick]

Thats awesome should be a yellow and blue magic carpet though

 

[Big Al]

I see where you`re coming from but I also think that player budget has a big effect on what "cattle class" we also get.
Clubs with Higher quality players already, use that to attract younger players.
ie. Melb City :- If you sign for us you get to train & play with Cahill & Fornaroli
CCM :- If you sign with us you get to play with Faty & Taveres.
At this stage we can`t compete with that.
It also makes it easier to see why Galloway& Pain moved to us as they now have a better opportunity to play more 1st team football.

I think they sign for City for career progression possibilities, but they certainly have the money to have the best medical, sports science type stuff.
Bratten got nothing from it and is now just a Cahill League player. Caceras thought the same and is now a splinter picker. If PO was our coach instead of TW would we have lost Caceras and Reddy? Definitely not Reddy.

Also WSW introduction has hurt our philosophy. We were WSW to the youth as there was only SFC to choose from so we picked up the cream which is now being blocked by the WSW academy's. So we are now 3rd option.
Ben Cahn talked on the podcast of Improving the youth sides with some recruiting (not major but sounded like a couple).
We sound like he and Paul are looking to fix that back up.
So our youth products has had to be reset much like the first team.

I think next year will be key. We have so many players off contract, we can reset the squad balance. No longer 20 half decent DM's and no #10 and no defensive specialists.

While we aren't competing financially we are also shooting our selves in the foot with bad recruitment with what we do have.

Shaun is showing signs he is a much better CEO and would be part of the approval process and wouldn't be giving out some of the contracts that have been seen in the last two years. This with hopefully Pauls better eye as well.

As a youth product team we should have more youth in our squad but not paying them overs.
Instead of worrying about Marquees we need to spend a larger proportion on our 5 foreigners so that they are our best players by far and our experience. Then you can sprinkle the Aussie talent around it.
I don't believe our foreigners are what they should be.
Money is also not the only thing that attracts them as WSW picked up Dimas and the CB on reportably cheap contracts and wasn't FBK pretty cheap as was Fornaroli.
It's our recruitment of them that is much more important than the amount of cash available. IMO

We will never be buying Bobo's and Janko's we just can't cover the spend.

We need to be smarter and more efficient with our cash

 

[style_cafe]

His wikipedia page says he plays for us

Thanks Mick & welcome mate.
I hope you enjoy your time here

 

[style_cafe]

For posterity

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does that mean he has to take his boots off...

 

[dibo]

It's his carpet. No need.

Little known fact - his mother rides a broom.

 

[Forum Phoenix]

I think they sign for City for career progression possibilities, but they certainly have the money to have the best medical, sports science type stuff.
Bratten got nothing from it and is now just a Cahill League player. Caceras thought the same and is now a splinter picker. If PO was our coach instead of TW would we have lost Caceras and Reddy? Definitely not Reddy.

Also WSW introduction has hurt our philosophy. We were WSW to the youth as there was only SFC to choose from so we picked up the cream which is now being blocked by the WSW academy's. So we are now 3rd option.
Ben Cahn talked on the podcast of Improving the youth sides with some recruiting (not major but sounded like a couple).
We sound like he and Paul are looking to fix that back up.
So our youth products has had to be reset much like the first team.

I think next year will be key. We have so many players off contract, we can reset the squad balance. No longer 20 half decent DM's and no #10 and no defensive specialists.

While we aren't competing financially we are also shooting our selves in the foot with bad recruitment with what we do have.

Shaun is showing signs he is a much better CEO and would be part of the approval process and wouldn't be giving out some of the contracts that have been seen in the last two years. This with hopefully Pauls better eye as well.

As a youth product team we should have more youth in our squad but not paying them overs.
Instead of worrying about Marquees we need to spend a larger proportion on our 5 foreigners so that they are our best players by far and our experience. Then you can sprinkle the Aussie talent around it.
I don't believe our foreigners are what they should be.
Money is also not the only thing that attracts them as WSW picked up Dimas and the CB on reportably cheap contracts and wasn't FBK pretty cheap as was Fornaroli.
It's our recruitment of them that is much more important than the amount of cash available. IMO

We will never be buying Bobo's and Janko's we just can't cover the spend.

We need to be smarter and more efficient with our cash

Great post Big Al.

 

[mick]

Thanks Mick & welcome mate.
I hope you enjoy your time here

Thanks style I'm still giggling about the magic carpet