Mariners Squad - HAL 12 - 2016 - 2017

[Big Al]

Sorry, was attributing the "not mentally strong bit" re Izzo. Pearce was my own thoughts. Maybe the mentally strong bit was someone else too though, anyway whoever said it, I agree.

Ironically in all this, it seems to me like the anger and determination he has felt has had a very positive effect on his concentration.

That could be rattled a little now by his moving - we'll see. Unless maybe Ivan keeps his spot...

We all know we need additional quality players but have to say I'm a lot less fearful we'll sign poorly with Okon at the helm . Our table position greatly belies the work he had done with the leagues least expensive and youngest squad.

Might have been me in the game thread, said he has a weak mind.

Not convinced he's really that much different from last year.

Our defence Is so much better so has had less interaction. Like that statement by the club about the 70-80 interactions.

That has stopped the bad judgment being as obvious. He has had those two or three times where he has left his line and gambled and got a couple right and a few wrong. On the wrong ones hasn't looked as bad as seemed the right choice or if not they may have scored anyway.

The problem is he so bad on free kicks it's not funny. He is literally guessing and always guesses and goes where the wall is. If the wall fails you say top shot but he tries to cover his cover.
Being exposed on his side twice now like he wasn't even there is horrible and signs of not being mentally strong enough to trust his training and the wall.

i made a statement that he was a good shot stopper and nothing else last year, now everything else is not as evident because of our improved defence we are appreciating that side of him and he really has won or saved us points this year and credit to him.

He needs a lot more work and I think a better goal keeping coach is needed to get him to the next level.
Would have been nice to see what Crawley could have done with him

 

[dibo]

Rationale is really not acceptable

It's he'd be working at Coles if we didn't give him another go after last year, realistically no one would have picked him up after last year. Not even Adelaide

We didn't "give him another go". He had a contract through this year.

Soccer mad, I agree with absolutely everything you say with one exception - Matty Simon. I understand from many sources, some of which are very close to the club, that Matt Simon really wanted to stay with the Mariners, and offered to take minimum wage to do so. It was the club that kicked him out.

I've heard that that's not the full story. He wanted more money than the club was willing to pay, and talks broke down. The club moved on (and made the not-very-smart-in-hindsight call to sign Dan Heffernan) by which point when Simon came back offering to sign for peanuts the door was closed.

 

[Capn Gus Bloodbeard]

Gee this frustrates me, as a development club, which we are, players are going to come and go

Others may disagree, but I don't like referring to us as a 'development club'. It gives the impression that we're no good and we shouldn't expect otherwise. That we're not a real club.

In Vic, there's a club, forgotten the name, but it's an FFV club, and their entire purpose is, literally, development. The team are usually crap, but that's okay because they're a 'development program'. Of course, given we seem to think that tallying up the number of passes a player makes means we're monitoring their technical skills is development, that probably explains why their teams perform poorly.

So, development club makes me feel like that. Just because we have a big focus on youth - and developing and on-selling players is part of our financial strategy, I don't like to think of ourselves as a 'development club'. It just feels like we're admitting we're not good enough, like we're not a real club. We've pulled some pretty big names in the past too.

, we could just say thank you and wish them well as they go on their way,.

And in most cases we do, because that's just part of football, that players will come and go. But there are some players that will sting a bit more, for various reasons. If Roy goes to Jets that will sting more than Austin going to MV. Whether its' a key player, one we've shared a particular journey with, or whatever.

Izzo - I feel like we've shared a bigger journey with him than most players, seen him fall and rise again and we've all been a part of that because we've all been affected by that (heck, that's partially why many of us are so excited by him now, because it's more than just performance). So there's a few reasons why some departures feel more like a back being turned on us than a regular departure. All part of the passion.

But especially if the departure may be because of the fans......well, yeah, that's not going to be taken well. As you'd expect from any club.

 

[go you yellow]

Others may disagree, but I don't like referring to us as a 'development club'. It gives the impression that we're no good and we shouldn't expect otherwise. That we're not a real club.

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Agreed - whilst it is our financial strategy - at no point do I accept it as a reason to not compete or that we are not a real club. In fact I see it as an unlocker of increased competitiveness - where the best young talent should be knocking down Paulo's door to get a chance to be playing in the aleague. Which should enable the turnover of a portion of our talent - preferably overseas so we do get the coin. Rather than just relying on the journeymen to put together a solid bottom of the top six side mentality that others seem to do.

But still dont like giving stick to players who have made a contribution to our club - except say in the instance of Fitzy last weekend - being a knucklehead - you will have to stand in line behind me to give him a serve

 

[Big Al]

We didn't "give him another go". He had a contract through this year.

Yes but we could have left him in the wilderness, we gave Ivan the No 1
And then turned to Izzo and gave him another go, to his credit he took it.
If he didn't have a contract would he have been resigned? Who knows

 

[dibo]

Yes but we could have left him in the wilderness, we gave Ivan the No 1
And then turned to Izzo and gave him another go, to his credit he took it.
If he didn't have a contract would he have been resigned? Who knows

Ivan started the season as #1, and had a barry against Sydney. I don't think we've done anything particularly nice or generous for Izzo, we've just done what you do - put the keeper in that you think is in better form at the time.

 

[VicMariner]

Soccer mad, I agree with absolutely everything you say with one exception - Matty Simon. I understand from many sources, some of which are very close to the club, that Matt Simon really wanted to stay with the Mariners, and offered to take minimum wage to do so. It was the club that kicked him out.

I will always respect Matty Simon, and will never 'raz' him.

I can't remember how I felt or what I said at the time but now I really wish we had been loyal to him.
Even if he was used as an occasional sub, his heart bled yellow, it would be good to see his career out with us after so much.*

I miss his fight, fire and 110% attitude. He would be a good role model around the club.


* Young club with short history not withstanding.

 

[Capn Gus Bloodbeard]

Yeah, true - would have been with us a very long time too. And now that we actually have a coach who knows what he is doing, you can see how he would probably fit in too. Oh well..

 

[JoyfulPenguin]

Looks like Jake Brimmer will be staying in Europe:
http://www.fourfourtwo.com.au/news/brimmer-backs-european-stay-453980

 

[Big Al]

Storm Roux has missed the NZ squad again for WC qualifying against Fiji

 

[JoyfulPenguin]

Storm Roux has missed the NZ squad again for WC qualifying against Fiji

Dane Ingham somehow got picked over him. Storm hasn't been at his best but he is miles ahead of him. Ingham has played a total of four games one against a Philippines side which had two attacks and another where he lost 6-0. Storm is getting seriously stiffed by Anthony Hudson.

 

[JoyfulPenguin]

Rumours on Twitter that we might be going after Andrew Redmayne. He was truly terrible with Heart and just the same with Western Sydney, please Paolo/ Matt Nash don't do this.

 

[pjennings]

While Izzo has had the benefit of a better defence this season, he has still been one of the busiest, if not the busiest keeper in the League. He is young and makes errors. So does Trent, so does Pain, so does Liam, so does McGing. He is a keeper and his mistakes are dwelt on more than others because of that. That's the lot of a keeper and if he continues to make the same mistakes fans wherever he goes will treat him badly - probably worse than anything he received here. I still think he has shown great character this year in improving as much as he has in just one season.

The only error that really needs to be worked on is trusting the wall. People criticising him for taking out Bruno - when he could have made a 'football challenge' for just a yellow have to realise that goes against the way he has been taught for years.

 

[pjennings]

Rumours on Twitter that we might be going after Andrew Redmayne. He was truly terrible with Heart and just the same with Western Sydney, please Paolo/ Matt Nash don't do this.

I really didn't watch him at Heart but Redders is a confidence keeper. If he gets the feeling that the manager is second guessing his position his form goes off. He was playing well, in spite of the WSW fans views who were used to Covic's heroics. Then Poppa brought in Reddy and his form went off. Crawley rates him very highly.

When you compare him to Danny or Maty he suffers badly - because those two believed in their own ability and didn't rely on validation from the manager.

 

[sydmariner]

Rumours on Twitter that we might be going after Andrew Redmayne. He was truly terrible with Heart and just the same with Western Sydney, please Paolo/ Matt Nash don't do this.

He's a born & bread coastie.

 

[pjennings]

He's a born & bread coastie.

Gosford Dragons?

 

[sydmariner]

Gosford Dragons?

not sure.

 

[Wombat]

Dane Ingham somehow got picked over him. Storm hasn't been at his best but he is miles ahead of him. Ingham has played a total of four games one against a Philippines side which had two attacks and another where he lost 6-0. Storm is getting seriously stiffed by Anthony Hudson.

He needs to do his job defensively and he will get picked again. He is looser than a Bride's nightie.

 

[Wombat]

I really didn't watch him at Heart but Redders is a confidence keeper. If he gets the feeling that the manager is second guessing his position his form goes off. He was playing well, in spite of the WSW fans views who were used to Covic's heroics. Then Poppa brought in Reddy and his form went off. Crawley rates him very highly.

When you compare him to Danny or Maty he suffers badly - because those two believed in their own ability and didn't rely on validation from the manager.

Redders is a back up keeper, like a Pasfield. He is simply not good enough to hold down a starting position.

 

[Bladesman]

While Izzo has had the benefit of a better defence this season, he has still been one of the busiest, if not the busiest keeper in the League. He is young and makes errors. So does Trent, so does Pain, so does Liam, so does McGing. He is a keeper and his mistakes are dwelt on more than others because of that. That's the lot of a keeper and if he continues to make the same mistakes fans wherever he goes will treat him badly - probably worse than anything he received here. I still think he has shown great character this year in improving as much as he has in just one season.

The only error that really needs to be worked on is trusting the wall. People criticising him for taking out Bruno - when he could have made a 'football challenge' for just a yellow have to realise that goes against the way he has been taught for years.

Izzo has a big problem with his footwork that he needs to fix otherwise he will, as you noted get treated the same elsewhere. He often gets himself in a position where he is unable to push of from either foot as his stance is too far apart. A lot of the time when he concedes he is either stood like a statue with is legs spread very widely apart (last weeks free kick) or actually falls backwards onto his arse. In contrast to Matt, Danny who could make excellent reflex saves even when a shot had deflected Izzo's footwork is holding him back. Worrying thing is Nash has not managed to correct it in 2 years.