Mariners squad HAL 10 ~ 2014/15

[Kareem]

For number 3)

I (like others I am sure) would love to have seen the loan agreement between us and VS!

These things are usually meant to be pretty tight. With cancellation fees and what not.
Would be pretty silly by us if VS had the option of terminating the contract early with no termination fee.

 

[dibo]

I don't buy this contract and change of ownership stuff.

Mcglinchey has the PFA...Mariners have FIFA!!!

Fifa wins everyday of the week.

Remember bresciano getting banned?


It has to be something else (like others on here have mentioned).
1) we have no roster spot available for him now. (Ps. We definitely have the salary cap space lol...that's not an issue)
2) we can't afford him. We budgeted for life without mcglinchey...this would kill me!
3) we are maintaining that we don't want him back until 2015. Which would be so ridiculously stupid by the mariners!
If 3) is true...then the PFA would win hands down

Management will have to assert that the contract remains and they have every intent to transfer him to the new company, therefore they maintain rights over him in spite of his contract not being with the company that holds the licence. Whether 1 or 2 is true, that's within the prerogative of the club to manage - they could always change plan, e.g. sorting a release/retirement for another player to free up the space in the squad and the cap, etc.

McGlinchey will have to argue that he no longer had a contract as he was (presumably) the only one left with the original company. As the term of the contract still continues until some time in the future, he will have to claim that there is a break point here where his contract ceases to be enforceable and he's a free agent. If 3 is true, perhaps it provides them with a break point.

 

[sydmariner]

I don't buy this contract and change of ownership stuff.

Mcglinchey has the PFA...Mariners have FIFA!!!

Fifa wins everyday of the week.

Remember bresciano getting banned?


It has to be something else (like others on here have mentioned).
1) we have no roster spot available for him now. (Ps. We definitely have the salary cap space lol...that's not an issue)
2) we can't afford him. We budgeted for life without mcglinchey...this would kill me!
3) we are maintaining that we don't want him back until 2015. Which would be so ridiculously stupid by the mariners!
If 3) is true...then the PFA would win hands down

This coming from the the same organisation that gave the 2022 World Cup to Qatar instead of australia & that also said that if we re-elected blatter we'd no longer have to face the dreaded Oceania - s America play off to qualify for the world cup & that also claims that there's no corruption within fifa

 

[sydmariner]

WARNING:

firstly i would like to acknowledge that everyone is entitled to their own personal butt hurt (ok, "opinions")

(climbs on soapbox)

do we really need to be as disrespectful as some of these posts?

why not reflect on how amazing the "wee man" has been for our football team… the hard work he put in, with potentially tens of thousands of hours of training over the years to serve OUR team, providing countless thrilling moments in his 121 games and MULTIPLE TROPHIES!!! the 7 goal night against sydney should single handedly makes him a club immortal!

(climbs back down)

we are yet to see how this pans out but if he is gone... a man with a young family and maybe 5 or 6 years left of money making ability in his chosen profession decided to do what is in his families best interest and go after a lucrative deal. good for him. Mariners should have been offering for him to return to a marquee spot and more money but we all know that would never happen. As a mariners fan losing one of the best players the aleague has seen in such a pathetic way is disappointing, frustrating and sucks balls, but i wish nothing but the best for micky and say thanks for the memories.

now Central Coast Mariners, i am always the first to leap to their defence when the tide of hate flows, but this one is a very bitter pill to swallow

In that 7- 2 game I think that the other mac scored 3 goals too also if u want to talk about club immortals john hutchinson should be the 1st club immortal as he's the only foundation 1 club player left in the league plus he's done so much more on & off the field for ccm

 

[Big Al]

http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/10241707/Michael-McGlinchey-signs-with-Wellington-Phoenix

Wellington Phoenix goalkeeper Glen Moss has urged the Central Coast Mariners to end the Michael McGlinchey tug-of-war by respecting the player's wishes.

But All Whites captain Moss made a plea for the Mariners to relax their hardline stance.

''I don't believe in clubs forcing players to stay where they don't want to be
If a player wants to be somewhere then no-one should stand in his way.''

Glen Moss looks like a real dick - Bet if the nix stopped paying him he'd care about a contract. Shows players attitudes.

Frustrated by weeks of unproductive to-ing and fro-ing behind the scenes, the Phoenix have made a calculated decision to force the issue by announcing McGlinchey's arrival.

It is understood McGlinchey has spoken directly to Mariners coach Phil Moss and informed him of his wishes.

Definately a push on by the NIX & McGlinchy to force the Mariners hand. He knows that when the Nix come to Brookie or NSO there will be no one there to boo him.

 

[Jaundice]

One positive may come from this.

We may now have a precedent to no longer feel oblidged to act like 'Mr nice guy', to players who want to try their hand or experiment overseas.

Weemac was loaned for a pittance if I remember correctly, that seemed crazy considering he was one of our best and during our season. One could only assume it was done with goodwill for the player.

 

[Roy Law]

Who is paying McGlinchey at the moment? Not VS I suspect, but are the Mariners if, as they claim, he is contracted to them? If they are not then no wonder McGlinchey sees an escape route.

Hold on. Was McGlinchey dumped by the Japanese or did he jump, thinking he could go to the Phoenix? Vegalta's termination notice makes it sound like it was a mutual termination.

If McGlinchey requested the loan termination then this is entirely his fault. The Mariners would have expected him to serve the full term of his loan and would have used the cap space accordingly - if they didn't, there would be people on here complaining about how we weren't making the most of our cap to build a quality team.

Are you seriously telling me you would have kept his cap space open for all of 2014?

A mutual termination is where neither party loses face in a no win situation. I have worked in Japan and I can assure you that nothing is black and white when it comes to negotiating with the Japanese. Vegalta clearly did not want him; he clearly had no future in Japan. He would have had the cold shoulder and have been extremely lonely in a very unfriendly situation. Vegalta would have simply played the waiting game until he asked to be released. The termination becomes mutual.
Add to that McGlinchey meeting up his NZ team mates for the South Africa friendly recently and there is your convenient avenue of approach for the Phoenix.
The Mariners could not keep open his cap space because they would be in breach of the salary cap rules - failing to meet the salary floor - but it does show a flaw in the system which FFA needs to address.
Moss has at no time appeared to have included McGlinchey in his plans for this season and that seems to include the supposed return in January - the Mariners would be over the cap unless players leave (and our golden natural spring of talent has all but dried up).
The only real issue for Charlesworth is losing out on the transfer fee which he expected to receive from Vegalta and which Phoenix are not allowed to pay for him - if they ever wanted to.

 

[midfielder]

Worth listening to.. from NZ radio ... clearly states that weeMac thinks he found a lop hole ...

http://www.radiolivesport.co.nz/Sam-Worthington/tabid/454/articleID/19208/Default.aspx

 

[tsd]

interesting quotes from Brent Griffith, knocked back asian move because he thinks he can crack the first team. With FFA cup, potentially ACL and some inevitable suspensions / injuries he will get a few opportunities

http://www.fourfourtwo.com/au/news/griffiths-knocked-back-asia-mariners

 

[tsd]

In that 7- 2 game I think that the other mac scored 3 goals too also if u want to talk about club immortals john hutchinson should be the 1st club immortal as he's the only foundation 1 club player left in the league plus he's done so much more on & off the field for ccm

the point
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your head

 

[sydmariner]

the point
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your head

 

[rbakersmith]

It looks like we're off to arbitration:

Arbitration likely in tug-of-war for McGlinchey
SAM WORTHINGTON

Football Federation Australia concedes that independent arbitration might be the only solution as the Michael McGlinchey tug-of-war rumbles on.

Both the Wellington Phoenix and Central Coast Mariners claim the All Whites midfielder is contracted to them for the upcoming A-League season.

McGlinchey, who started training with the Phoenix on Monday, wants to settle in Wellington with his young family.

''FFA continues to work with the affected parties on a daily basis in this matter to find a resolution for the benefit of all parties,'' an FFA spokesman said.

''Obviously, the preference is to find an amicable way forward but this is a complex matter. FFA understands the urgency involved for Michael McGlinchey and it may be that the matter needs to go to independent arbitration.''

McGlinchey, 27, did not play in last night's pre-season game against Upper Hutt City but Phoenix general manager David Dome said that was due to him not being match-fit, rather than concerns over insurance.

Professional Footballers Australia are strongly backing McGlinchey's right to play for the Phoenix.

On Monday, the PFA wrote to the FFA ''seeking confirmation that Michael will be registered as a player of Wellington Phoenix in accordance with his rights under FFA regulations and as a professional footballer''.

McGlinchey sought the PFA's advice following the end of his loan period with J-League club Vegalta Sendai, which followed changes to the ownership and licence of the Mariners.

The PFA advised McGlinchey he was a free agent and was entitled to sign with the club of his choice.

''Michael has since signed with Wellington Phoenix and is, in the PFA's view, permitted to train, play and partake in all activities with the A-League club in accordance with his contract.''

The Mariners are seeking legal advice in an attempt to block McGlinchey playing for the Phoenix.

- The Dominion Post

http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/10246071/Arbitration-likely-in-tug-of-war-for-McGlinchey

 

[sydmariner]

It looks like we're off to arbitration:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/10246071/Arbitration-likely-in-tug-of-war-for-McGlinchey

 

[yellowcake]

He clearly doesn't want to play for CCM and somehow wants to settle / raise his family in Wellington (weird, as he's never lived there at an age he'd remember).

What about we sell him (which we can for a fee) to Vegalta Sendai, who have an immediate buyer in Wellington, who want the All White playmaker enough to pay a appropriate transfer and allow a slight profit to the Japanese for their trouble.

Everybody wins? Forget the arbitration.

 

[rbakersmith]

UPDATE: Please note that the legal mediation process regarding Michael McGlinchey, #CCMFC & @WgtnPhoenixFC is ongoing. #ALeague

http://www.twitter.com/CCMariners/status/486657880506892288

 

[midfielder]

Management will have to assert that the contract remains and they have every intent to transfer him to the new company, therefore they maintain rights over him in spite of his contract not being with the company that holds the licence. Whether 1 or 2 is true, that's within the prerogative of the club to manage - they could always change plan, e.g. sorting a release/retirement for another player to free up the space in the squad and the cap, etc.

McGlinchey will have to argue that he no longer had a contract as he was (presumably) the only one left with the original company. As the term of the contract still continues until some time in the future, he will have to claim that there is a break point here where his contract ceases to be enforceable and he's a free agent. If 3 is true, perhaps it provides them with a break point.

Kareem also said FIFA may be on our side...

I have given this a little thinking... if a player can because of a change of ownership claim I am free ... the reverse is a club could terminate a player on the same grounds...

Further from what we have read it was an assumption by weeMac he had no contract and at no stage did he approach the Mariners with his personal position ...

As to whether I want him back .... on balance yes many clubs over the years have told players they cannot go and the players still turned up and played... Its also worth remembering I think he was born in NZ but left at about two months old so the story of returning home is a tad stretched...

I am starting to think this is going to go our way and all the stuff of turning up for training etc could blow up in the Nix's face...

 

[Big Al]

Yep that same PFA would have supported a CCM player who the club let go because the licence changed hands & didn't want him any more.

We clearly have a right to him IMO
but
We don't want him until 1st Jan (Why? Who Knows?)
&
he doesn't want to play for us.

The reason we are kicking up a stink is we aren't getting & are unable to get any compensation which we should get as clearly he is ours. The nix are pushing hard to get CCM to fold with press leaks galore & pics in training. Everything thing they can to not only get him but for nothing.

Best solution is he sits out the whole season & signs for the nix when becomes a free agent. We don't want him but there is no way you can have him with the way you have behaved.

P.s
Wondering how much of an effect the extention he signed as part of the loan deal or prior can't remember has to do with it. I wonder if he is claiming the extention doesn't exist more than his original contract?

 

[midfielder]

Big Al

Agree if there was no offer on the table I am sure the PFA would say we had to honour the contract.

I read [I think] that this could go to the AFC to be decided and they in turn I assume use FIFA laws... if so my understanding [ not an expert by any stretch ] but my understanding is FIFA when clubs change ownership say existing contracts remain... stopping clubs from getting rid of players and players for leaving because of a better offer as a free agent...

Also if I was the Nix's I would not wanta be seen to rattle the cage to much as I think 2016 is when the AFC decide if they can stay in the A-League ...

 

[dibo]

the reverse is a club could terminate a player on the same grounds...

For all we know, the club has already tried this on. If so, it would weaken our position enormously.

 

[midfielder]

For all we know, the club has already tried this on. If so, it would weaken our position enormously.

Agree ... but again if he said no he is saying the contract is valid and enforceable...

I have also changed my mind on the club coming out in the media... if this does go the AFC leaks to the media and pictures could be seen in a poor light...