Mariners Squad - 2019-2020

[JoyfulPenguin]

 

[Antlion]

there's enough quality there to create a decent team from...let's hope we're competitive in the market
(note: hope is low)

 

[Pirate Pete]

Tom Glover. Would you have him back?

 

[Wombat]

Tom Glover. Would you have him back?

As a ball boy maybe.

 

[JoyfulPenguin]

Just watching Jesse Makarounas play for Moreland City against Moreland Zebras and his touch and passing range is so far ahead of NPL Victoria 2 it's insane. He's a former Young Socceroo and Joey, who was a highly rated product even after he was released by Adelaide a few seasons ago. Worth a trial at least?

 

[Forum Phoenix]

I'd be betting in it as an outside chance. He hasn't been announced as leaving so is still on standby

Outside chance of being retained at all.

But surely a long shot of making a keeper you’re still not sure you want to offer a contract to at all, and going... ah hell, i’ll make them keeper/coach.

 

[JoyfulPenguin]

Outside chance of being retained at all.

But surely a long shot of making a keeper you’re still not sure you want to offer a contract to at all, and going... ah hell, i’ll make them keeper/coach.

Well Nash was in a similar situation...

 

[pjennings]

But Nash was a qualified GK coach working for John Crawley at EGK.

 

[JoyfulPenguin]

But Nash was a qualified GK coach working for John Crawley at EGK.

When he was originally signed?

 

[Pirate Pete]

When he was originally signed?

On 28 July 2014 the Central Coast Mariners confirmed that Nash would be joining the team on a two-year contract at the conclusion of the 2014 NPL NSW Men's 1 season.[8] On 7 July 2015 it was announced that Nash would retire as a goalkeeper and become the club's goalkeeping coach following the departure of previous goalkeeping coach John Crawley.[9]

 

[Coastalraider]

Ah 2014 - what a time.

When we weren’t a total basket case, and had the potential to sign some sort of quality.

 

[pjennings]

When he was originally signed?

Yep - he was basically a coach that got short term contracts (I think mainly as injury replacements) at a number of HAL clubs but also played in the NPL.

 

[Forum Phoenix]

Well Nash was in a similar situation...

Staj said there were two players they were unsure they would retain and they had explained to those two players that while that was obviously hard for them to wait, they had put themselves in that position.

That’s clearly Kennedy and Hoole.

So be a strange move to then hire said player as a coach don’t you think?

 

[JoyfulPenguin]

Staj said there were two players they were unsure they would retain and they had explained to those two players that while that was obviously hard for them to wait, they had put themselves in that position.

That’s clearly Kennedy and Hoole.

So be a strange move to then hire said player as a coach don’t you think?

It would, I just struggle to have any faith in our decision making anymore.

 

[turbo]

So be a strange move to then hire said player as a coach don’t you think?

Being a keeping coach vs an active keeper puts him in a different pool of available staff. I’d be willing to bet that as an all age borderline 35s player I could better instruct than do many things and Kennedy may have something to offer our younger keepers if he were to step aside. Not necessarily an ideal keeper coach replacement but if we’ve been caught with our pants down with Nash’s move he may be a viable short term option. Hopefully the club has been giving the idea some thought before this happened but if they intended to stick with Nash it’s a possibility.

 

[Antlion]

If Kennedy doesn't know when to stay or come for the ball, how can he advise and instruct less experienced keepers when to so?

 

[Pirate Pete]

If Kennedy doesn't know when to stay or come for the ball, how can he advice and instruct less experienced keepers when to so?

And what was Nash doing coaching?
The week after the game they'd have been looking at video.
Would Nash have been telling him he should have come for that ball and BK not understanding? Maybe lack of confidence.
Surely as a decent coach he should have been getting the message through.

 

[pjennings]

And what was Nash doing coaching?
The week after the game they'd have been looking at video.
Would Nash have been telling him he should have come for that ball and BK not understanding? Maybe lack of confidence.
Surely as a decent coach he should have been getting the message through.

Lack of confidence has a lot to do with it. The basic thing you have to get your head around as a keeper is that you will let in goals. You have to make the right decision all the time. That means sticking to the basics and not second guessing your decisions.

Look at Lydia Williams in the Italy game for Italy's second goal. That was her ball. She needs to call it, she needs to come and she needs to get it. If she wasn't going to get it she needed to stay. You make the decision and stick to it. If you can't get the ball you still need to communicate to your defence. She called for it, came and then backed out.

Lydia did , and BK does get into trouble when they think they should come and start, but then second guess themselves. If you aren't going to get the ball - do not come. The only time you come if you can't get the ball is to cut down the angle.

 

[Capn Gus Bloodbeard]

Staj said there were two players they were unsure they would retain and they had explained to those two players that while that was obviously hard for them to wait, they had put themselves in that position.

That’s clearly Kennedy and Hoole.

So be a strange move to then hire said player as a coach don’t you think?

Sounds typical CCM really, we have a history of hiring ex-players as unqualified, inexperienced coaches.....

Losing Nash can only be a positive. It's overly simplistic to identify that he's been the coach of our poorest defensive years; after all, the underperformance of the defence (even midfield) are pertinent for that.

But the goalkeeping itself has been poor - I suppose it comes down to, how do you identify what's down to the coach, and what's down to the player? Similarly, would we be as disappointed with Kennedy with a different keeper coach?

Either way, i feel like cleaning out as many people as possible that have anything to do with our dark years can only be a positive step forwards.

But for that reason, I do think keeping Kennedy as keeper coach would be the wrong move.......although I expect it's going to be a serious consideration at the moment. We have no keeper coach, the fans want to let him go, he's approaching the end of his career one way or another.....it could be the move that satisfied both parties. As to whether it's the right move.....Having experience doesn't automatically make one a good coach

 

[Insertnamehere]

Sounds typical CCM really, we have a history of hiring ex-players as unqualified, inexperienced coaches.....

Losing Nash can only be a positive. It's overly simplistic to identify that he's been the coach of our poorest defensive years; after all, the underperformance of the defence (even midfield) are pertinent for that.

But the goalkeeping itself has been poor - I suppose it comes down to, how do you identify what's down to the coach, and what's down to the player? Similarly, would we be as disappointed with Kennedy with a different keeper coach?

Either way, i feel like cleaning out as many people as possible that have anything to do with our dark years can only be a positive step forwards.

But for that reason, I do think keeping Kennedy as keeper coach would be the wrong move.......although I expect it's going to be a serious consideration at the moment. We have no keeper coach, the fans want to let him go, he's approaching the end of his career one way or another.....it could be the move that satisfied both parties. As to whether it's the right move.....Having experience doesn't automatically make one a good coach

Kennedy and Hoole have always been 1 in 5 players. They give you 1 good game in 5. It was no different when they were at jets and hoole at sfc. You allow that for a guy who's U21 but you cant accept it for guys with 100+ games to their name.
They've also had some very good coaches and been in decent teams and still not improved. Bye bye I say. Give an NPL or yoof bloke a crack.