Mariners Squad - 2019-2020

[nebakke]

I understand your point, and agree a little as well, but the end result to this theory is that we only recruit players who would be bench players at other teams, based on the ‘carrot’ of getting game time.

That’s actually what we have been doing, and the result is we are crap, because there is a reason those players spend time in the bench everywhere else.

We need to break the cycle and recruit players who would actually get game time at top 6 clubs, and those players don’t want to come to the spooners.

The thing is that the maths around what interesting players are available is not as simple as "could they walk into a starting spot in Sydney or Perth" it's also about what is needed at those other clubs at the time and what sort of player they're looking for, not to mention history. So again, a bit of shrewdness from the coach and this might not be quite as dire.
Really my core point is that I worry that the quality argument leads to everyone including the club, just seeing it as a "fait accompli" when it's not.

 

[bikinigirl]

The thing is that the maths around what interesting players are available is not as simple as "could they walk into a starting spot in Sydney or Perth" it's also about what is needed at those other clubs at the time and what sort of player they're looking for, not to mention history.

. are you suggesting that other clubs might actually think differently before they go and sign 8 or 9 defensive midfielders?

 

[Insertnamehere]

What's the whisper about why staj isn't signed? Who are the other options being explored?

 

[Insertnamehere]

Bugger. Haven’t followed his ins and outs

think he started falling apart after he left roar years ago.

 

[NoDiggity]

Can anyone drop any hints to who the other coach/coaches are that we are looking at? Or is it hush hush

 

[Antlion]

Thing about recruitment is that it is like economics: confidence sways everything.

* If we had kept the same coach and only a small turnover of players then the spooning team is very unattractive. Thankfully not our scenario.

* If we change coach and a large number of players but start recruitment by signing a number of budget players then the spooning team is probably still fairly unattractive to players.

* IF we get a new coach who can sign a few actually decent players early - momentum begins to look like this team could do anything and suddenly there is some appeal that this could be a new season, a new era, success to be a part of. Good players would not see the spooning team but effectively a new team with a rich history.

It'll come down to which of the above scenarios potential players see us as.

 

[Michael]

Unless it’s a European coach no one really knows of (like when Kurz joined Adelaide) I don’t think it’d be anyone other than Staj.
What other Aussie managers are available aside from NPL level?

 

[pinklady]

Unless it’s a European coach no one really knows of (like when Kurz joined Adelaide) I don’t think it’d be anyone other than Staj.
What other Aussie managers are available aside from NPL level?

Staj has signed but will not be confirmed as yet - possibly at the MM dinner. Delay may have something to do with other staff (assistant coaches) Plenty of triallists at training this week - no real stand outs.
Loanees have all finished up = Graham and Mellon returning to where they came from.. Some small glitch in O'Neill's terms regarding his Burnley contract.
Tom H has not been offered a new deal as yet - he wants to stay and will look at another A League club if a contract is not offered.
Pearce has been offered a contract extension - no word on BK or Gauci being offered anything.
Kekeris has not had his scholarship deal extended.
Shabow still has one year to run but his agent has been told that he is free to explore other opportunities.

 

[Antlion]

Staj has signed but will not be confirmed as yet - possibly at the MM dinner. Delay may have something to do with other staff (assistant coaches) Plenty of triallists at training this week - no real stand outs.
Loanees have all finished up = Graham and Mellon returning to where they came from.. Some small glitch in O'Neill's terms regarding his Burnley contract.
Tom H has not been offered a new deal as yet - he wants to stay and will look at another A League club if a contract is not offered.
Pearce has been offered a contract extension - no word on BK or Gauci being offered anything.
Kekeris has not had his scholarship deal extended.
Shabow still has one year to run but his agent has been told that he is free to explore other opportunities.

Thanks for this, most informative

 

[Michael]

That Kekeris news hurts my poor little yellow navy heart.

 

[Insertnamehere]

That Kekeris news hurts my poor little yellow navy heart.

yeah pretty pissed kek hasnt been offered a new deal. begs the question if nizzy has.
club better manage a way to keep them.

 

[Michael]

yeah pretty pissed kek hasnt been offered a new deal. begs the question if nizzy has.
club better manage a way to keep them.

Will hold hope that they just haven’t been offered anything as yet. Same with tommy and Jem. I think I remember seeing when Cahn was in charge of youth that the boys are now under contract during NPL.
One of the biggest disappointments for me personally through all this well documented horrificness over the last 4-5 years is that we haven’t truly developed one of our own NYL players. We haven’t stuck by them, not properly and we haven’t developed them properly. I class a success being a player we brought through the youth team set up gave bulk games and experience and sold overseas. Bingham and McGing were the last true ones to get games and last a few years. Bingham can be classed as failure. McGing can be classed as a pass as he got a O/S move. But they broke into the team just before the start of the shit.
We’ve had some gems in this time and the club f**ks them over or don’t do enough to keep them.

 

[Cricko_086]

I asked this on another thread but why hasn’t the Millar move been announced? Both clubs are done for the season, what are they waiting for? (Or if we staged the coup and kept him why hasn’t that been announced)

I don’t understand the rules for these announcements so if I’m missing something I apologise

 

[Insertnamehere]

I asked this on another thread but why hasn’t the Millar move been announced? Both clubs are done for the season, what are they waiting for? (Or if we staged the coup and kept him why hasn’t that been announced)

I don’t understand the rules for these announcements so if I’m missing something I apologise

i can only guess but end of contracts is 31 may. the other thing is he only had a pre contract so maybe theres still detail to work out.

 

[JoyfulPenguin]

Will hold hope that they just haven’t been offered anything as yet. Same with tommy and Jem. I think I remember seeing when Cahn was in charge of youth that the boys are now under contract during NPL.
One of the biggest disappointments for me personally through all this well documented horrificness over the last 4-5 years is that we haven’t truly developed one of our own NYL players. We haven’t stuck by them, not properly and we haven’t developed them properly. I class a success being a player we brought through the youth team set up gave bulk games and experience and sold overseas. Bingham and McGing were the last true ones to get games and last a few years. Bingham can be classed as failure. McGing can be classed as a pass as he got a O/S move. But they broke into the team just before the start of the shit.
We’ve had some gems in this time and the club f**ks them over or don’t do enough to keep them.

Definitely disappointed to lose Kekeris but isn't his he ineligible for a scholarship past May? I think he is worth a minimum wage deal and if we aren't using the homegrown allowance to lure Lachie Wales or others home we should use a portion of it on him.

 

[Wombat]

Staj has signed but will not be confirmed as yet - possibly at the MM dinner. Delay may have something to do with other staff (assistant coaches) Plenty of triallists at training this week - no real stand outs.
Loanees have all finished up = Graham and Mellon returning to where they came from.. Some small glitch in O'Neill's terms regarding his Burnley contract.
Tom H has not been offered a new deal as yet - he wants to stay and will look at another A League club if a contract is not offered.
Pearce has been offered a contract extension - no word on BK or Gauci being offered anything.
Kekeris has not had his scholarship deal extended.
Shabow still has one year to run but his agent has been told that he is free to explore other opportunities.

The scary thing is................that must mean Nash will be being retained.

Pikey.........."make sure you keep all the minimum wage people". Shaun......tick.............."I re-signed 2 of them boss". "No other club (apart from Umina's AA9's) made an offer so i got them real cheap Mikey!

 

[Wombat]

Will hold hope that they just haven’t been offered anything as yet. Same with tommy and Jem. I think I remember seeing when Cahn was in charge of youth that the boys are now under contract during NPL.
One of the biggest disappointments for me personally through all this well documented horrificness over the last 4-5 years is that we haven’t truly developed one of our own NYL players. We haven’t stuck by them, not properly and we haven’t developed them properly. I class a success being a player we brought through the youth team set up gave bulk games and experience and sold overseas. Bingham and McGing were the last true ones to get games and last a few years. Bingham can be classed as failure. McGing can be classed as a pass as he got a O/S move. But they broke into the team just before the start of the shit.
We’ve had some gems in this time and the club f**ks them over or don’t do enough to keep them.

McGing was a Wanderers junior.

 

[Wombat]

Staj has signed but will not be confirmed as yet - possibly at the MM dinner. Delay may have something to do with other staff (assistant coaches) Plenty of triallists at training this week - no real stand outs.
Loanees have all finished up = Graham and Mellon returning to where they came from.. Some small glitch in O'Neill's terms regarding his Burnley contract.
Tom H has not been offered a new deal as yet - he wants to stay and will look at another A League club if a contract is not offered.
Pearce has been offered a contract extension - no word on BK or Gauci being offered anything.
Kekeris has not had his scholarship deal extended.
Shabow still has one year to run but his agent has been told that he is free to explore other opportunities.

Pink lady is always in the know. Rarely wrong with the gossip..

 

[priorpeter]

Interested to know where this talk of other coaches is coming from hahaha.
Also as much as I’d love to keep both Tom and Jem, it won’t happen.
Hoole will be lucky to pick up a contract in the NPL next season.
I understand that Pearce will be around for another year.
Expect some announcements from the club over the next few days RE releases and appointments.

 

[FFC Mariner]

Trajcic signed I believe,