Mariners Pre-season

[soundsdifferent]

Also there is much more room for trailing players, because i would presume that during the pre season cup they would have had to play within all the rules of the game, but because these games are just friendlies if gives the manergers room to be able to make as many subs as they want, so they can look at more players.

 

[midfielder]

http://player.sbs.com.au/twg#/twg_08/ALeague/A-LeagueNews/playlist/TRIAL-Sydney-FC-v-Central-Coast-Mariners/

From the highlights Danny is back in form... best I have seen him play in a long time all 3 minutes but 3 excellent bits of keeping...

Hutch was on main team  :'( SFC did appear to have the best of the play. 

 

[bulldogmariner]

Danny was our MOM he was simply outstanding. I think having a little bit of pressure on him from Redders who is developing into a classy keeper is helping him.
Sydney FC tried to play an attractive style of football with a lot of passing through the midfield. Kisel was oustanding in his role and passed the ball with some quality. They looked to use Cole and Buyn down the wings with Danning and Gan tucking in. There were some great pieces of play but for a team who has had 9 pre season games for mine they were a little disappointing. So don't believe all the hype.

We were solid and deserved the scoreline to remain 0-0. We had a number of half chances but lacked the quality in the final third to put them away. Same as Sydney. We need to bring another striker into the squad to support DMAC and Matty as Nik is just not up to it. I thought Doig was great and he will add so much to our team. Gives Lawrie options with his defense as Doig will be first man picked each week. Adrian, Elrich and Kwas will be rotated throughout the season with whoever is playing the better football at the time getting the minutes. Travis will play in the centre of the park with our Maltese international alongside adding much needed flair to our squad.

 

[Dr Nick]

There were some great pieces of play but for a team who has had 9 pre season games for mine they were a little disappointing. So don't believe all the hype.

do we know how many starting XI players sydney were missing?

 

[marinermick]

There were some great pieces of play but for a team who has had 9 pre season games for mine they were a little disappointing. So don't believe all the hype.

do we know how many starting XI players sydney were missing?

mark bridge - that's about it

don't think musailik would get a start in that midfield

i think they have some big holes and depth issues in defence

 

[Dr Nick]

There were some great pieces of play but for a team who has had 9 pre season games for mine they were a little disappointing. So don't believe all the hype.

do we know how many starting XI players sydney were missing?

mark bridge - that's about it

don't think musailik would get a start in that midfield

thats good then. considering we were missing our two best centreforwards, plus clarky  porter and huke

 

[Jaza_SFC]

i think they have some big holes and depth issues in defence

I'll give you depth issues - but we've been EXTREMELY solid in defence this pre-season. Larry has the team playing a solid shape. Colosimo + Jurman (best youth CB in the league) is quite a combo.

TBH we just need another defender for depth, and luckily we have one big pay packet left in the cap for it. THen we're set.

Last night was below par for our pre-season so far. No Rhyann Grant on the pitch, Kofi + Kisel + Gan all having below par games. We can do much much better than that, and we will do. A lot of shirked tackles from both sides to be fair.

 

[marinermick]

i think they have some big holes and depth issues in defence

I'll give you depth issues - but we've been EXTREMELY solid in defence this pre-season. Larry has the team playing a solid shape. Colosimo + Jurman (best youth CB in the league) is quite a combo.

TBH we just need another defender for depth, and luckily we have one big pay packet left in the cap for it. THen we're set.

Last night was below par for our pre-season so far. No Rhyann Grant on the pitch, Kofi + Kisel + Gan all having below par games. We can do much much better than that, and we will do. A lot of shirked tackles from both sides to be fair.

not convinced about jurman but you have seen more games than me

you were torn apart down the right hand side in defence

and you know that colosimo will be injured at some stage

depth certainly needed

 

[Forum Phoenix]

Player critique will alway be necessary and fine and even fun, but this offhand Hutch bashing is simply ridiculous and counter productive to being Mariners "supporters"
Sick of this snide undermining crap.

Even if he was playing crap I'd still have a problem with the way people readily dismiss and bitch about players who deserve our loyalty and respect.  But the truth is Hutch consistently and ably fills his required role, or the gaffer would cut him. Favourites my ass.

Honestly, I understand people want creative endeavour, who doesn't like da sexy futbol, but players need to perform different and specific roles in a team and on the field. Some of the people on the forum greatly need to take this into consideration. It's like your watching a keeper and keep bitching that he doesn't score any goals.

A holding midfielder needs to hold the ball up to help control the tempo and play. To do this it is imperative that you keep the ball when you get it and do not look for the killer ball through or give it away easily.

Hutch holds the ball well. Is mentally tough and tenacious. Takes a backward step from no one. Harasses and tackles well. Has a good work rate. Strong with both feet. Knows how to draw a foul. Rattles other players. Can take a free kick or set piece. Regularly contributes a handful of goals over a season. Loves his team and... GIVES SHIT TO THE JEST.
HOLY CRAP! What more do you want from an A league holding midfielder!?

If he also had the footwork of Caceres and the attacking nouse of Charlie Miller, he sure as hell wouldn't be playing in this league. I know it can be frustrating watching him choose safety and pass back instead of risking the through ball, but he is fulfilling his role and making sure our team has time to marshall and gets some possession. He is undoubtedly asked to do this.

I think he had a poor patch of form last year, largely due to the fact we were particularly unbalanced with the loss of Mile, but he was solid for the latter part again. And without doubt imo is a player who has certainly contributed more to our club than he has cost us. I think the negativity shown regardless of any current form or performance, shows that more than a little more balance or objectivity is required in some peoples player evaluations. Or hey, lets keep bitching regardless!!! Awesome idea! That'll help our season along.
 

 

[Forum Phoenix]

Thanks for the reports guys. One question do any of you think Wales could be the AM we are looking for?

Maybe, but hes probably better suited to being either a paired CM in a flat central setup like he was for much of the second half (and working his arse off) or operating as the central attacking mid in the 4.2.3.1 that we ran in the first half. I wouldnt play him as the top of the diamond, because I think the benefit from him is his ability to work up and beyond.
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+ 1

Spot on assessment for mine.

 

[Wombat]

Phoenix,

I hear what your saying but Lawrie has always played favourites....i.e Kwasnik.

Personally I would have had Hutcho in my starting 11 for the first 3 seasons although not in Centre Mid.  Many other supporters could not understand what I saw in him but he does have some qualities.
However last year he was disgraceful and contributed absolutely nothing to the side. He should have been dropped but he was retained for each and every game were he got worse and worse as did the Mariners as a team.
Lawrie told him a couple of seasons ago that he considered him a squad player only, so how the hell did he go from that to cornerstone of the team!
He would be a useful squad player but is simply not starting 11 quality.
If he plays well this season...driving forward, passing to his own teammates, tackling without giving away free kicks, not falling over every time he is challenged, shooting on target....i'll be the first to praise him.

 

[mariners4ever]

i think they have some big holes and depth issues in defence

I'll give you depth issues - but we've been EXTREMELY solid in defence this pre-season. Larry has the team playing a solid shape. Colosimo + Jurman (best youth CB in the league) is quite a combo.

TBH we just need another defender for depth, and luckily we have one big pay packet left in the cap for it. THen we're set.

Last night was below par for our pre-season so far. No Rhyann Grant on the pitch, Kofi + Kisel + Gan all having below par games. We can do much much better than that, and we will do. A lot of shirked tackles from both sides to be fair.

not convinced about jurman but you have seen more games than me

you were torn apart down the right hand side in defence

and you know that colosimo will be injured at some stage

depth certainly needed

didnt they get ryall from victory ??? what happened to him ??? haven heard anything about him since he signed for them

 

[bjw]

i think they have some big holes and depth issues in defence

I'll give you depth issues - but we've been EXTREMELY solid in defence this pre-season. Larry has the team playing a solid shape. Colosimo + Jurman (best youth CB in the league) is quite a combo.

TBH we just need another defender for depth, and luckily we have one big pay packet left in the cap for it. THen we're set.

Last night was below par for our pre-season so far. No Rhyann Grant on the pitch, Kofi + Kisel + Gan all having below par games. We can do much much better than that, and we will do. A lot of shirked tackles from both sides to be fair.

not convinced about jurman but you have seen more games than me

you were torn apart down the right hand side in defence

and you know that colosimo will be injured at some stage

depth certainly needed

didnt they get ryall from victory ??? what happened to him ??? haven heard anything about him since he signed for them

he kinda f**ked a 13/14 year old.
bl ryall.

 

[marinermick]

However last year he was disgraceful and contributed absolutely nothing to the side. He should have been dropped but he was retained for each and every game were he got worse and worse as did the Mariners as a team.

"Contributed nothing" but still had the highest number of completed passes in the team by a long shot.

Given how much we turned the ball over last season imagine how awful we would have been without his retention of possession.

 

[Atomic]

Some highlights

http://player.sbs.com.au/twg#/twg_08/ALeague/A-LeagueNews/playlist/A-League-latest/

There are some quality passages from SFC

 

[Wombat]

However last year he was disgraceful and contributed absolutely nothing to the side. He should have been dropped but he was retained for each and every game were he got worse and worse as did the Mariners as a team.

"Contributed nothing" but still had the highest number of completed passes in the team by a long shot.

Given how much we turned the ball over last season imagine how awful we would have been without his retention of possession.

Anyone can pass the ball 10 feet.  How many of those passes went forward ?

Or quick diagonal balls out to the flanks.  He was very poor imho.

 

[dibo]

Wombat, you've got to be a parody, surely.

 

[FFC Mariner]

Phoenix, that was an interesting point of view and I guess that leads me to a question in general.

Why do some players achieve cult status and all clubs have 1 player who is "on the nose"

Ability isnt the determining factor but what did Gumps do to become a crowd hero whereas Hutch seems to be the public enemy No1.

This has not been a recent thing either, I recall him copping a fair bit at Pluim 2 seasons ago in the Charity Plate game but the more last season wore on, the worse it got

If anyone wanted to see the contrast, look at the response to Gumps as he came on as a sub in our last few games as opposed to the reception Hutch got after the last ACL game.

Now I am no great fan of his but he sure as hell wasnt the worst player on the park that night.

At Fulham, its currently Bobby Zamora copping it, when he leaves, it will be someone else and all clubs can identify the player the crowd gets onto.

So my question is, what do these players do (or not do) to get this treatment?

 

[dibo]

Good points raised FFC. I don't get why Caceres doesn't cop as much as Kwasnik when he loses the ball as often and as comically (if not usually as spectacularly). I don't get why Heff doesn't cop buckets for his frankly haphazard defending and sometimes interesting ball use. Or Boogs for his tendency for the old 'no other ideas so I'm going to hoof f**k out of it'.

 

[scottmac]

Phoenix, that was an interesting point of view and I guess that leads me to a question in general.

Why do some players achieve cult status and all clubs have 1 player who is "on the nose"

Ability isnt the determining factor but what did Gumps do to become a crowd hero whereas Hutch seems to be the public enemy No1.

This has not been a recent thing either, I recall him copping a fair bit at Pluim 2 seasons ago in the Charity Plate game but the more last season wore on, the worse it got

If anyone wanted to see the contrast, look at the response to Gumps as he came on as a sub in our last few games as opposed to the reception Hutch got after the last ACL game.

Now I am no great fan of his but he sure as hell wasnt the worst player on the park that night.

At Fulham, its currently Bobby Zamora copping it, when he leaves, it will be someone else and all clubs can identify the player the crowd gets onto.

So my question is, what do these players do (or not do) to get this treatment?

I believe its having charisma or even not having it. And by that i mean on the field. There is never a time when you could say that Gumps was not giving his all, because he oozes enthusiasim. People like Zamora and Hutch do not have this. They may be trying their absolute all but appear as though they could not give a f**k. Its probably best summed up by the word urgency.