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Mariners Financial Crisis in the Daily Tele
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Roy Law
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We, on the outside, know everything; they, on the inside, know nothing.
Muppet
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The latest from SMH regarding the club.
Moscow meeting to decide on takeover of cash-strapped Central Coast
Michael Cockerill
January 4, 2012
A meeting in Moscow yesterday was expected to decide whether a planned takeover of Central Coast Mariners by a consortium led by Russian interests will proceed.
Negotiations between the Russian investors, with connections to the famed Spartak Moscow club, and the Mariners have been continuing for months, but with the due diligence finally completed representatives of the consortium flew back to Moscow last weekend to get the green light.
If the deal proceeds, the owners of the Mariners - led by property developer Peter Turnbull - could hand over effective control by the end of the month.
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Central Coast have struggled twice to pay players on time this season, but despite the off-field issues coach Graham Arnold has guided the team to the top of the league at the halfway point.
Last week's decision to sell leading scorer Matt Simon to Korean club Chunnam Dragons for a transfer fee believed to be around $200,000, plus a series of money-spinning home games over the festive season, has helped solve the club's cash flow problems pending its sale.
Meanwhile, in transfer news, Australian youth international Jason Davidson has joined mid-table Dutch Eredivisie side Heracles Almelo on a six-month deal with a two-year option. Davidson, 20, has spent the last three months training in Germany with Borussia Moenchengladbach after leaving his Portuguese side, Pacos de Ferreira, just after the start of the European season.
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/sport/a-league/moscow-meeting-to-decide-on-takeover-of-cashstrapped-central-coast-20120103-1pjlq.html#ixzz1iSSVDZ00
Moscow meeting to decide on takeover of cash-strapped Central Coast
Michael Cockerill
January 4, 2012
A meeting in Moscow yesterday was expected to decide whether a planned takeover of Central Coast Mariners by a consortium led by Russian interests will proceed.
Negotiations between the Russian investors, with connections to the famed Spartak Moscow club, and the Mariners have been continuing for months, but with the due diligence finally completed representatives of the consortium flew back to Moscow last weekend to get the green light.
If the deal proceeds, the owners of the Mariners - led by property developer Peter Turnbull - could hand over effective control by the end of the month.
Advertisement: Story continues below
Central Coast have struggled twice to pay players on time this season, but despite the off-field issues coach Graham Arnold has guided the team to the top of the league at the halfway point.
Last week's decision to sell leading scorer Matt Simon to Korean club Chunnam Dragons for a transfer fee believed to be around $200,000, plus a series of money-spinning home games over the festive season, has helped solve the club's cash flow problems pending its sale.
Meanwhile, in transfer news, Australian youth international Jason Davidson has joined mid-table Dutch Eredivisie side Heracles Almelo on a six-month deal with a two-year option. Davidson, 20, has spent the last three months training in Germany with Borussia Moenchengladbach after leaving his Portuguese side, Pacos de Ferreira, just after the start of the European season.
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/sport/a-league/moscow-meeting-to-decide-on-takeover-of-cashstrapped-central-coast-20120103-1pjlq.html#ixzz1iSSVDZ00
Roy Law
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I know we need the money but I can't help feeling anxious about the future identity of the club if Peter Turnbull loses 'effective control'. I hope it means he still drives the direction as I can't believe Russian owners would be able to provide the same emotional connection to the Coast. And, being a little paranoid, I hope that it doesn't unsettle people like Graham Arnold.
Muppet
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On the contrary I see it a a good thing if they do buy us. A team backed by a very rich owner, tied to a team that plays champions league and eufa football. I think that it would increase the opportunity of the players to be able to move to Europe if they are good enough. Arnold would have a benefactor who does not mind splashing the cash not to mention the mouthwatering prospect of him being able to move to Europe to coach. Imagine Spartak Moscow coming out and doing their pre season training at the COE. It brings in the dollars from a local perspective as they would probably pay to use the facilities and stay in the hotel when it is built. There is the Added benefit of having a game at Bluetounge and the opportunity to perhaps get a decent marquee.
they are perfect investors IMO, not just to boost the CoE to finance it to run the thing properly but like u say getting Russian squads out here to tour during their winters. Must be a pretty good prospect for them!
Great for the local economy here. The visits are one thing, also remember too this links the coast to Russia in a business/investment sense. Not just football potentially if Russian investors like the area... who knows the wider (positive) repercussions.
Provided there is local influence from the existing shareholders that can be worked out. Though I do think the new owners need to be trusted with a controlling stake to make it worthwhile for them and motivated to invest further.
Great for the local economy here. The visits are one thing, also remember too this links the coast to Russia in a business/investment sense. Not just football potentially if Russian investors like the area... who knows the wider (positive) repercussions.
Provided there is local influence from the existing shareholders that can be worked out. Though I do think the new owners need to be trusted with a controlling stake to make it worthwhile for them and motivated to invest further.
pjennings
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We are facing a huge couple of months in which we hopefully will
1) confirm our Russian investors
2) improve Arnie's contract
3) re-sign a number of players
After this we will likely lose Bernie. Mustafa, Ryan and Bozanic for nearly a month with the Olyroos and the following month we have the run in for the Premiership and finals as well as the beginning of the ACL campaign.
In April the final series and the ACL campaign continues.
It looks to be a very exciting time - but I can't help but think the Russian investment is the most important part of the equation.
1) confirm our Russian investors
2) improve Arnie's contract
3) re-sign a number of players
After this we will likely lose Bernie. Mustafa, Ryan and Bozanic for nearly a month with the Olyroos and the following month we have the run in for the Premiership and finals as well as the beginning of the ACL campaign.
In April the final series and the ACL campaign continues.
It looks to be a very exciting time - but I can't help but think the Russian investment is the most important part of the equation.
yellowcake
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I didn't want to start a new thread to hightlight my fears here and obviously the two points above are related. I understood Arnie's contract to run to end 2012/13 but he has to have his future secured - no problems with that.
Apparently during the Fox commentary of Sunday's game they were speculating on Arnie being Lavicka replacement at Sydney next year.
Arnie's importance to our minnow, budget operation summed up by Patrick in todays Tele...
I hope when Arnie goes (which of course he will, like Bernie, Matty Ryan, etc.), now he's shown what a great club coach he can be, is in the big leagues in Europe (as I'm sure he aspires and stated at such in the year prior to coming to CCM - it's in Fourfourtwo somwhere). And I'll barrack for that club.
Going to Sydney would be like: After Melbourne in 1997, Terry Venables switching to Iran. "Oi, Tel. Still wanna go to the World Cup?". Sorry, he'd be dead to me. Probably so would the A-League (to me).
So, it's been reported that they've approached him and no doubt Sydney would have the right money. That's how they roll. They're like the Veruca Salt (seen Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory?) of Australian Football. How many heralded signings are something they've seen and 'wanted now' from other A-League clubs... Aloisi, both the 'killer B's', Colissimo, Beauchamp, etc. Please, please, no.
Forum Phoenix
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Boy, all Sydney would need to do is lose a handful of games and they would turn on him knives out and all but destroy his rep again.
Stay with the beautiful seaside coast Arnie, where players will always play heart and soul for you, rent is cheaper, and you are greatly loved and appreciated. After these two years of football, you could produce a year of dross and I'd still back you to the hilt. No Sydney fan would give you that. Or their board.
Stay with the beautiful seaside coast Arnie, where players will always play heart and soul for you, rent is cheaper, and you are greatly loved and appreciated. After these two years of football, you could produce a year of dross and I'd still back you to the hilt. No Sydney fan would give you that. Or their board.
MrCelery
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Mariners face challenge off field as transfer market opens
Michael Cockerill (SMH)
January 12, 2012
Playing sophisticated football. And don't the fans know it ... Central Coast Mariners.
SUCCESS always comes at a price and for Central Coast Mariners that price is about to become apparent. This weekend, the transfer window opens and most of the squad is up for grabs. The Mariners are at the top of the pile and shortening favourites for a maiden championship with a squad which, collectively, is the lowest paid in the league. No wonder the phone line to Gosford is ringing hot.
In years gone by, the Mariners were proudly the league's most unfashionable team. Players other clubs didn't want were moulded into a fighting unit by a coach, Lawrie McKinna, who wore the underdog tag like a badge of honour. But things have changed under Graham Arnold. Suddenly, the Mariners are, yep, fashionable.
The football is more sophisticated and so are the players. Virtually the entire first XI is in demand. From the oldest player, Patrick Zwaanswijk, to the youngest, Mustafa Amini. The latter is off to the Bundesliga midyear, but the club must make sure the recent departure of top-scorer Matt Simon doesn't herald a mass exodus.
Pick a player and you can bet he's fielding an offer right now. The challenge for the Mariners is a new one. To compete in the transfer market rather than simply observe it. It's a ruthless business - even contracted players such as Bernie Ibini-Isei and Alex Wilkinson are vulnerable to approaches, as recent events have shown. Every man has his price and but what price are the Mariners prepared to pay?
The answer to that could become apparent as early as next week, with the mooted change of ownership involving a Russian consortium. A big selling point to the new investors would be the team's success. The last thing the new investors - linked to Russia's most successful club, Spartak Moscow - would want to do is compromise that success with a fire sale of the best players. The key is for the ownership change to go through before players are enticed elsewhere. It's a race against time.
If the Russian deal proceeds, the important part of a complex equation is whether Arnold stays. It's ''Arnie'' who has not only kept the squad together, but kept it ticking along against the backdrop of the club's recent financial woes. Late payment of wages, training on a half-field, they're issues which - in a different environment - could fracture a dressing room.
Instead, the Mariners are as tight knit as they've ever been. That's testament to the culture built by McKinna, but also to the example set by Arnold and his staff, who have suffered the same privations as their players. But it's more than that. Young defender Trent Sainsbury, for instance, could go to Perth Glory tomorrow for better wages. Yet while he's not a regular starter, Sainsbury knows he's learning to become a better footballer faster under Arnold than he would elsewhere, so he's inclined to stay. Even Zwaanswijk reckons he's still picking up tips from Arnie, and he's played 295 games in the Dutch Eredivisie.
Central Coast weren't the champions last year, but during the calendar year they won more games than anyone else. They've continued where they left off this year. So clinical is their football and so confident is their mood that you'd wager they'll finally exorcise the demons of losing three grand finals by winning a first title. Keeping the bulk of the squad intact is a must in order to do well in the Asian Champions League, too.
With this coach, and this group of players, the A-League's smallest club are well equipped to make a big impression against heavyweights of Asia. That's got to be a goal worth paying for.
Michael Cockerill (SMH)
January 12, 2012
Playing sophisticated football. And don't the fans know it ... Central Coast Mariners.
SUCCESS always comes at a price and for Central Coast Mariners that price is about to become apparent. This weekend, the transfer window opens and most of the squad is up for grabs. The Mariners are at the top of the pile and shortening favourites for a maiden championship with a squad which, collectively, is the lowest paid in the league. No wonder the phone line to Gosford is ringing hot.
In years gone by, the Mariners were proudly the league's most unfashionable team. Players other clubs didn't want were moulded into a fighting unit by a coach, Lawrie McKinna, who wore the underdog tag like a badge of honour. But things have changed under Graham Arnold. Suddenly, the Mariners are, yep, fashionable.
The football is more sophisticated and so are the players. Virtually the entire first XI is in demand. From the oldest player, Patrick Zwaanswijk, to the youngest, Mustafa Amini. The latter is off to the Bundesliga midyear, but the club must make sure the recent departure of top-scorer Matt Simon doesn't herald a mass exodus.
Pick a player and you can bet he's fielding an offer right now. The challenge for the Mariners is a new one. To compete in the transfer market rather than simply observe it. It's a ruthless business - even contracted players such as Bernie Ibini-Isei and Alex Wilkinson are vulnerable to approaches, as recent events have shown. Every man has his price and but what price are the Mariners prepared to pay?
The answer to that could become apparent as early as next week, with the mooted change of ownership involving a Russian consortium. A big selling point to the new investors would be the team's success. The last thing the new investors - linked to Russia's most successful club, Spartak Moscow - would want to do is compromise that success with a fire sale of the best players. The key is for the ownership change to go through before players are enticed elsewhere. It's a race against time.
If the Russian deal proceeds, the important part of a complex equation is whether Arnold stays. It's ''Arnie'' who has not only kept the squad together, but kept it ticking along against the backdrop of the club's recent financial woes. Late payment of wages, training on a half-field, they're issues which - in a different environment - could fracture a dressing room.
Instead, the Mariners are as tight knit as they've ever been. That's testament to the culture built by McKinna, but also to the example set by Arnold and his staff, who have suffered the same privations as their players. But it's more than that. Young defender Trent Sainsbury, for instance, could go to Perth Glory tomorrow for better wages. Yet while he's not a regular starter, Sainsbury knows he's learning to become a better footballer faster under Arnold than he would elsewhere, so he's inclined to stay. Even Zwaanswijk reckons he's still picking up tips from Arnie, and he's played 295 games in the Dutch Eredivisie.
Central Coast weren't the champions last year, but during the calendar year they won more games than anyone else. They've continued where they left off this year. So clinical is their football and so confident is their mood that you'd wager they'll finally exorcise the demons of losing three grand finals by winning a first title. Keeping the bulk of the squad intact is a must in order to do well in the Asian Champions League, too.
With this coach, and this group of players, the A-League's smallest club are well equipped to make a big impression against heavyweights of Asia. That's got to be a goal worth paying for.
Muppet
Well-Known Member
I think that Mike Cockerill's article is a pretty positive piece. It's just a matter now of waiting to see what the outcome will be. I think having large crowds over the festive period has helped ease the pressure slightly along with Matt Simon's sale.
Cockerill is correct that the current position we are in should make it more attractive for the investors. We are in the ACL this season and the way things are traveling next season as well which must be a huge incentive.
There is no doubt that we are in the position we are in as a result of Graham Arnold and what he has done with the players. Hopefully money does not win out and he chooses to stay with the club and continues to develop the players.
Cockerill is correct that the current position we are in should make it more attractive for the investors. We are in the ACL this season and the way things are traveling next season as well which must be a huge incentive.
There is no doubt that we are in the position we are in as a result of Graham Arnold and what he has done with the players. Hopefully money does not win out and he chooses to stay with the club and continues to develop the players.
McGrime
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I see the Calendar turn towards the end of January and my eyes turn towards the land of the Northern Lights (well at least some of them / the land of Vodka at least)I await the coming of our Messiah.
Or at least a phone call letting us know that he's still interested.
I mean we are winning the comp by 10 points with a game in hand and could possibly be in front of last years champions Roar (come Saturday night) by 14 points (Fingers crossed).
Our young Lions are off to qualify for the Olympics while we pluck future young champions from the NYC to bolster our champions towards the "Premiers (toilet Seat Plate) Thing.
I mean we deserve some good news don't we!!!
The players could have done no more.
We need a real BIG CROWD Vs Brisbane this Saturday just to secure their tenure.
Cummon Guys Let's Get Everyone Motivated for this one........It could make all the difference.
Or at least a phone call letting us know that he's still interested.
I mean we are winning the comp by 10 points with a game in hand and could possibly be in front of last years champions Roar (come Saturday night) by 14 points (Fingers crossed).
Our young Lions are off to qualify for the Olympics while we pluck future young champions from the NYC to bolster our champions towards the "Premiers (toilet Seat Plate) Thing.
I mean we deserve some good news don't we!!!
The players could have done no more.
We need a real BIG CROWD Vs Brisbane this Saturday just to secure their tenure.
Cummon Guys Let's Get Everyone Motivated for this one........It could make all the difference.
it is a good return so far from what is a very limited youth program, makes u imagine with some investment what a full academy program could do at Tuggerah working off the participation base of the Coast. Some countries don't have the numbers playing the game we do, nor the natural advantages of climate. As always for Oz, excellent natural resources in need of foreign investment!
midfielder
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At some stage answers need to be seen.... a buyer holding out for you too fail is also not unheard of neither....
None of us have any idea who is paid who is not paid and the complexity of the spilt ownership of the COE & the Football...
While I am still I am happy to wait ... I guess there is a time line out there which cannot be passes.... this saga has been dragging on a long time now... hopefully sooner rather than latter it will be over and the new buyer emerge...
None of us have any idea who is paid who is not paid and the complexity of the spilt ownership of the COE & the Football...
While I am still I am happy to wait ... I guess there is a time line out there which cannot be passes.... this saga has been dragging on a long time now... hopefully sooner rather than latter it will be over and the new buyer emerge...
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