Mariners 12th MAN- the CROWD !

[Bex]

i can understand that, im saying to ppl in general build the core before you go off trying to get the whole stadium going... 400 ppl in the supporters bay all chanting ppl on the fringes pick it up..may join in and it grows

Having been in the bay since day 1 I agree with Part_timer, we need to get 1 bay chanting "good football chants" before worrying about anything else.

What we need to do is encourage people to join us in/around bay 23 and join in

You may well be totally right, but is there a negative at all for you in someone else trying something that they think will work? And are you always right about everything, because I know I'm not.

As you can see above, the negative feedback has succeeded in encouraging another potentially active supporter to sit back and wait for you guys to do something. Great work.

Look, I'm not trying to make out I know it all or that I'm the perfect supporter but, really, what harm is there in encouraging people to actively support the team? I thought that was what the Marinators was about.

 

[Deej]

i can understand that, im saying to ppl in general build the core before you go off trying to get the whole stadium going... 400 ppl in the supporters bay all chanting ppl on the fringes pick it up..may join in and it grows

Having been in the bay since day 1 I agree with Part_timer, we need to get 1 bay chanting "good football chants" before worrying about anything else.

What we need to do is encourage people to join us in/around bay 23 and join in

You may well be totally right, but is there a negative at all for you in someone else trying something that they think will work? And are you always right about everything, because I know I'm not.

As you can see above, the negative feedback has succeeded in encouraging another potentially active supporter to sit back and wait for you guys to do something. Great work.

Look, I'm not trying to make out I know it all or that I'm the perfect supporter but, really, what harm is there in encouraging people to actively support the team? I thought that was what the Marinators was about.

Ideas are always good, but it's a personal opinion that the challenge we face first is getting bay 23 more active.  I've also sat in Gold and Platinum seats at some stage throughout the 4 years, and the people in those seats are generally not interested in getting anymore actively involved than 'Mariners clap clap clap' or a few random 'come on Mariners'.  Not everyone in those seats have that level of involvement granted and would like to join in more but why haven't they in 4 years? A number of bay members have chosen to upgrade to a better view and that's fine also, it's personal choice.

From a Marinators perspective we should want to see bay 23 grow, be more vocal and have fun, hopefully if that happens people will follow as will the rest of the stadium.

 

[pommypete]

With the Marinators moving to bay 23, the acoustics will be much better and the prawn sandwich eating brigade will actually be able to hear you, therefore they might even join in??

 

[Deej]

With the Marinators moving to bay 23, the acoustics will be much better and the prawn sandwich eating brigade will actually be able to hear you, therefore they might even join in??

Perhaps? We'll wait and see

 

[scottmac]

  I've also sat in Gold and Platinum seats at some stage throughout the 4 years, and the people in those seats are generally not interested in getting anymore actively involved than 'Mariners clap clap clap' or a few random 'come on Mariners'.  Not everyone in those seats have that level of involvement granted and would like to join in more but why haven't they in 4 years?

Isn't that what the idea was for, to give people in these areas an excuse to cheer. People wave those cash banners and cheer when their asked to, and they would participate in a chant if asked to as well. Then suddenly everyone stadium wide knows a chant. Shit, you may just get more people in the bay if they feel as though they could join in straight away.

The reason people don't join in even though they want to, is the fear of the unknown and getting things wrong. What has been proposed removes that and teaches everyone at the same time.

Anyone willing to throw out a few come on mariners or a clap clap clap, would be willing to try something else IF they knew what it was.

 

[~Floss~]

I used to think the same thing.

Tested my theory once when sitting in a group on the Western side. About 6 of us were so sick of the ol' 3-clap after about the 10th time, we demonstrated some "c'mon you yellow" and "c'mon mariners" at opportune moments.

I can tell you NO ONE joins in.

We did get a response once after we stopped, one lady said "aw, don't stop guys that sounded pretty good"

There's still hope that with another year or 2 of persistence some different chants might start to rub off on other areas of the ground, but I can see it would be impossible for small groups of 6 or 8 or 10 scattered around to have the necessary level of perseverence.

Chants last (slightly) longer in the bay because different groups or sections within the bay catch on to the chants of other groups and actually join in. Try standing with 3 or 4 mates and lasting any longer than 3 or 4 verses... much harder.

So that's a +1 for DJ & PT's "build the bay first" comments, without trying to stop anyone else from taking the alternate approach if they really think it's the way to go.

 

[Forum Phoenix]

Well, it's clear that I agree with SM.
But I am also a little confused now... working on handouts etc to get all the crowd involved I can understand being put on hold with any promotional flyer work or such all being focused around increasing the numbers in the bay instead - that makes sense.

But isn't this just an idea for a really good curtain raiser? The time slot is already being used by Millsy to do a poor version of getting our crowd hyped. But if it's instead being led by the Marinators and also happens to get the crowd involved I can't see at all how this could detract from "focusing on the bays growth"? Deej could you explain for me what is the other activity that the Marinators are planning on doing to focus on increasing its numbers 5 minutes prior to each match  commencing? If its significant, you guys should seriously consider trying to get Millsy to STFU, because he pulls all the focus at this point. If there is no activity that focuses on growing the bay here... Is there really any conflict of interests here?

Heres another thought...

If a primary focus needs to be about promoting the bay/Marinators then what about its the rest of the stadium vs the bay?

It would bring the entire stadiums focus onto the bay at the opening of every single game in a major way. I can't imagine a better way to promote the Mariners and potentially swell the ranks personally. And it could lead to some awesome chanting. Nothing galvanises a group quite like war.

Heard a lot of ideas on here, and suggested a few also, and like I said I'm not personally attached. But I just truly think this one of Scott Macs is a bit of a gem and if its geared around bringing prestige and focus onto the bay while getting our crowds a bit more involved and as a by product slowly educating them a little also.
I just can't see what's to lose? And think you'd be crazy not to give it a little more deliberation.

As to the crowd being involved. If its formally led from the pitch they will be. Millsy already even gets response from his piss poor rev up at the start as it is. I do understand floss, I sit in gold, and chant solo several times at every single game. This is why I have though a lot a bout it, and realised that they obviously need to be formally led. But anyway, the success of the greater crowd chants would only be a secondary concern, this could first and foremostly be a platform for promoting the Marinators.

 

[Bex]

Scottmac, its a very good idea, but its not an idea that the key people like so, as usual, it looks like the level of support is zero. I mean, if Floss tried sitting with some friends ONCE and their chants didn't manage to get the whole stadium involved, then clearly organisation of a competition over the PA between grandstands with words on the screen wouldn't do any better.

And in other news the Marinators forum has now reached 1,000 threads that discuss how they can promote a growth in the active supporters numbers at the game.

 

[dru]

Bex, Scottmac and Forum phoenix go right ahead and try and get others to join in around you, I do think that the focus of those involved in the home bay should be for it.

Having said that it was suggested that we try and get "Can't help falling in love with you" on the loud speakers at the appropriate time in the match at the last meeting. Time will tell if it get agreed to or if it runs into copyright/royalties issues or not.

but there is going to be a push to do this song at certain times and I think this is where everyones focus should be, those of us on here will know when it is going to be done and can join in no matter where they are in the stadium, getting people used to hearing it sung at the ground.

As with anything persistence is the key, I doubt YNWA at Celtic was great the first time but now when it is sung after half time everyone (well home support) gets up for it and it is a truely awesome sight. we will get there we just need to keep pushing

 

[Ursus]

With the Marinators moving to bay 23, the acoustics will be much better and the prawn sandwich eating brigade will actually be able to hear you, therefore they might even join in??

Don't be silly, I might spill my champagne. :ashamed:

 

[Ursus]

Seriously though, you will not get the rest of the ground involved in chants from a cold start. And the warm ups before the start of the game are just an embarrassment and have the absolute reverse effect. Everybody just cringes and sits lower in their seats.

At the moment I see the only way of getting the rest of the crowd involved is with a good song "Cant help falling in Love...", etc. Do not change the words, they do not have to be relevant. Look at the great songs in the UK.

The only other times you will get the rest of the stadium going is when the adrenalin is flowing 3-3 v SFC, 5mins left, and no one worries if they look like an idiot. Quite often then the simple chants start in the gold and spread.

For the present look to getting good quality chants going in Bay 23. Amusing, entertaining and easy. Get a chant leader with a good voice (which is in tune), good timing, preferably without a p.a. and wait for it to spread to other bays.

Quality of material and a good leader with timing are essential.

 

[~Floss~]

Scottmac, its a very good idea, but its not an idea that the key people like so, as usual, it looks like the level of support is zero. I mean, if Floss tried sitting with some friends ONCE and their chants didn't manage to get the whole stadium involved, then clearly organisation of a competition over the PA between grandstands with words on the screen wouldn't do any better.

And in other news the Marinators forum has now reached 1,000 threads that discuss how they can promote a growth in the active supporters numbers at the game.

Although I'm not a "key person", I do think it's a good idea, sorry if any posts came across as "negative". The intention was to illustrate that it may actually take more hard work and commitment than it first appears; not to knock a suggestion just for the sake of being negative.

For me personally, I have other priorities that I prefer to be partaking in on match days, and I expect that a lot of the few remaining bay residents feel similarly. With bay numbers so low I can understand people wanting to prioritise maintaining numbers and volume in the bay rather than taking on commitments elsewhere.

You may very well find 1 or 2 from the bay who are keen to take on big organisational challenges like this on match days; you may even find a few people from otehr areas. It's a personal choice.

Of course if anyone really wants to get behind this idea but needs the help of "key people", the best way is to become involved in the Marinators Club and take the suggestion to the committee. I guarantee it would at least be looked-into.

On a public internet forum your only replies are going to be peoples' personal opinions, not an official response from the Marinators Committee.

 

[bjw]

Seriously though, you will not get the rest of the ground involved in chants from a cold start. And the warm ups before the start of the game are just an embarrassment and have the absolute reverse effect. Everybody just cringes and sits lower in their seats.

At the moment I see the only way of getting the rest of the crowd involved is with a good song "Cant help falling in Love...", etc. Do not change the words, they do not have to be relevant. Look at the great songs in the UK.

The only other times you will get the rest of the stadium going is when the adrenalin is flowing 3-3 v SFC, 5mins left, and no one worries if they look like an idiot. Quite often then the simple chants start in the gold and spread.

For the present look to getting good quality chants going in Bay 23. Amusing, entertaining and easy. Get a chant leader with a good voice (which is in tune), good timing, preferably without a p.a. and wait for it to spread to other bays.

Quality of material and a good leader with timing are essential.

agree, agree, agree, agree.
+1.

 

[Jerem]

we do and always will have an older demographic it seems ( from watching other matches)
at BT, to deal with, an ideal starting scenario i believe is to become a decent size to take up an
end bay on either side, and influence, or have the 12 man banner held up by someone of each or
every other bay , with some words on the reverse, thats all i could think of yet, but the thought of the whole ground swelling with one song at a time, il do anything to help that happen!

 

[Jazzie]

we do and always will have an older demographic it seems ( from watching other matches)
at BT, to deal with, an ideal starting scenario i believe is to become a decent size to take up an
end bay on either side, and influence, or have the 12 man banner held up by someone of each or
every other bay , with some words on the reverse, thats all i could think of yet, but the thought of the whole ground swelling with one song at a time, il do anything to help that happen!

Yep, I guess I'm in the "older" demographic .... and I know the song ..... it's a good idea, however, who will volunteer?  I'll probably be in bay 25, and will definitely sing along, although I risk life and limb ... people will throw things at me!

 

[Jerem]

we do and always will have an older demographic it seems ( from watching other matches)
at BT, to deal with, an ideal starting scenario i believe is to become a decent size to take up an
end bay on either side, and influence, or have the 12 man banner held up by someone of each or
every other bay , with some words on the reverse, thats all i could think of yet, but the thought of the whole ground swelling with one song at a time, il do anything to help that happen!

". . . .although I risk life and limb ... people will throw things at me!"

if thats the case, we have alot of work to do, who will volunteer, just ask people already in the bay before KO.

 

[Jazzie]

we do and always will have an older demographic it seems ( from watching other matches)
at BT, to deal with, an ideal starting scenario i believe is to become a decent size to take up an
end bay on either side, and influence, or have the 12 man banner held up by someone of each or
every other bay , with some words on the reverse, thats all i could think of yet, but the thought of the whole ground swelling with one song at a time, il do anything to help that happen!

". . . .although I risk life and limb ... people will throw things at me!"

if thats the case, we have alot of work to do, who will volunteer, just ask people already in the bay before KO.

No....its just that I sing badly , lol ... I'm sure if I start, others will come on board.