Mariners 12th MAN- the CROWD !

[Sean]

Its all about finding the right song which captures the zeitgeist. Elvis and this song does not have anything to do with our area or our club, our clubs morals or what we have been through as fans and as a team.

 

[Atomic]

Not yet... but it will. When 20,000 people are singing with one voice and the joint is turned from a sporting arena into a cathedral and opposition players and supporters are stunned at the atmosphere, then it will be a song instantly identifiable with our club and what we as supporters have been through.

Well, I can dream can't I??

 

[bjw]

Not yet... but it will. When 20,000 people are singing with one voice and the joint is turned from a sporting arena into a cathedral and opposition players and supporters are stunned at the atmosphere, then it will be a song instantly identifiable with our club and what we as supporters have been through.

Well, I can dream can't I??

This.
no matter what song we chose theres going to be the usual resistance to it from supporters who dont share the same ideals of support that the people who came up with the idea have.

Give this time, it will work.

 

[clarence]

Bluetongue needs an atmosphere, 8000 can still make some noise and it soon would turn into 12-14000 if the atmosphere was buzzing, sure the team needs to perform and we all have our opinions of certain players and management etc, but collectively as fans we all want Victories. 

I challenge the Coast and Mariners Fans all to join in when the chants go out, give the team a lift !, thus giving the atmosphere at Bluetongue a lift ! We want a great football team, then lets support them like a great football team !

Woodchuck, it HAS happened before when the whole stadium has gone off!

Cast your mind back to the second semi vs. Newcastle a couple of season back, when the Mariners came out and spanked those scum with an exhibition of how Football should be played. I think Kwassi still gets sexually aroused reminiscing about the goal he scored running towards the box and slamming it in.

Both sides of the stadium were going off independently, and Auburn Mariner gave the call to 'stand up for the Mariners' and half the whole Stadium stood up (certainly the Bays surrounding Bay 16 all stood up for once). Made my hairs on the back of my scruffy neck stand up.

We beat Newcastle that day because the team believed they could do the job and once we (the crowd) sensed this belief, we got behind them. Even if that match had gone to a penalty shoot out we would have won.

The scenes outside the stadium was one huge outpouring of euphoria and pride.

IF the Mariners can start this season off well, and continue with a good run til they get more home games towards the end of the season, we will pack the crowds in and there will be volume. It may not be as co ordinated as the English crowds with everyone joining in with chanting and so on, but once there is a sniff of success the crowd will get behind the team for sure.

 

[trev]

Bluetongue needs an atmosphere, 8000 can still make some noise and it soon would turn into 12-14000 if the atmosphere was buzzing, sure the team needs to perform and we all have our opinions of certain players and management etc, but collectively as fans we all want Victories. 

I challenge the Coast and Mariners Fans all to join in when the chants go out, give the team a lift !, thus giving the atmosphere at Bluetongue a lift ! We want a great football team, then lets support them like a great football team !

Woodchuck, it HAS happened before when the whole stadium has gone off!

Cast your mind back to the second semi vs. Newcastle a couple of season back, when the Mariners came out and spanked those scum with an exibition of how Football should be played. I think Kwassi still gets sexually aroused by the goal he scored running towards the box and slamming it in.

Both stadiums were going off and Auburn Mariner gave the call to 'stand up for the Mariners' and half the whole Stadium stood up (certainly the Bays surrounding Bay 16 all stood up for once). Made my hairs on the back of my scruffy neck stand up.

We beat Newcastle that day because the team believed they could do the job and once we (the crowd) sensed this belief, we got behind them. Even if that match had gone to penalty shoot out we would have won.

The scenes outside the stadium was one huge outpouring of euphoria and pride.

IF the Mariners can start this season off well, and continue with a good run til they get more home games towards the end of the season, we will pack the crowds in and there will be volume.

Yes i remeber this night as one of the best moments as a mariners fan, Every1 around bay 16 was standing up and chanting as well, it was awesome. Standing in the bay myself was a joy to behold, and after the game every1 was still chanting , hopefully we can replicate what happened in V3 and this year and win the GF as well.

 

[Bear]

We could do better in your honest opinion hey Jesus?

Care to suggest something, and come to the bay every game and give your own song a try?

Or maybe run with what we have been trying to do for a year, and see that it is, actually, quite good........ IMHO

 

[Bear]

You know what, ill go further, and suggest our biggest problem with numbers and people not getting involved, is people throwing a lot of "we could do better IMHO" around, and not actually trying to join in and have a good honest f**king go anymore

Are you going to show up in the bay, and if you dont like whats being sung because "we could do better", just stand there and not contribute, and watch the marinators get worse and worse?

Or will you join in and have an honest go at getting the marinators back to what we should be, a loud proud supporters group, instead of a bunch of people complaining that "we could do better"?

 

[FFC Mariner]

Top post, stop f**king whining (thats a general comment not aimed at anyone in particular) and get stuck in.

 

[scottmac]

Top post, stop f**king whining (thats a general comment not aimed at anyone in particular) and get stuck in.

I wish i could, but 7 and 9 yr old prevent me from joining, which in hindsight makes my opinion, from a bay point of view, worthless.
I agree that if the song is a popular majority, then it must be given a go by all in the bay for the good of all supporters. The crowd need to see the Marinators as the united head of support for the team if anything like this was to spread stadium wide, which is why i have been critical of pisstaking previously.

I remember one NYL game last year in which there was one sole voice in the bay constantly cheering 'come on you yellow'. Because of the lack of noise in the stadium, being well before kick off of main game, it was easy to hear and easy to copy. I started to copy along with at least a couple around me. Point being, easy to hear and understand means easy to copy. During the main game this could only be achieved by many voices in unison.

 

[Forum Phoenix]

Hmmmm, this discussion seems to come up every year dosn't it. I also have young kids and so don't stand with the Marinators (excepting away trips) but think as this will hopefully effect everyone in the stadium that everyones opinion has some value on this one. Though I appreciate it must begin with the Marinators or we will never have a song and so your opinions are ultimately of more importance. Personally I'd like something with the bagpipes to completely shove it up Fosters ass and stir the spirit... But that said, I actually had an experience today that I think is pretty relevant...

I was looking at the lyrics of my football club songs song today as a bunch of our kids were studying some handouts of the lyrics...

And I couldn't help but think... shit... on paper... they're pretty corny really...

But here's the thing...  it really just doesn't matter. I'm sure many on here can relate that when you sing your clubs song... it has very little to do with the lyrics or the tune... and everything to do with the emotional commitment given by the singers. Suddenly any song can become, awe inspiring, uplifting and even beautiful...

Don't get me wrong, a good song selection will surely help, but I have to agree with bear, because ultimately probably pretty much anything can work if we just give it our commitment and hearts.

The other factor is that as supporters its surely more important to take action than anything else, can't remember who said it... but the quote is...

"A good plan violently executed now is better than a perfect plan executed next week" This song issue has been debated for a long time... so for what its worth my two cents would be to either commit to the song for this season, if the Marinators as a group haven't already (and please any chance of doing some hand outs for around the ground as well?) Or otherwise perhaps the marinators exec cold consider selecting 3 or 4 songs of different styles to trial for several weeks over the season and then at the end of this season conduct a member vote/poll or some such, an then officially adopt that song for better or for worse for ongoing seasons?

Interested to hear your thoughts?

 

[Bex]

My thoughts are that Marinators senior members should support people like yourself and provide constructive guidance. If you're willing to take some action, then there can't be any harm in an extra active marinator support, even if the senior members may not like the idea or may have tried it before. And you never know, with a little support and guidance, other people's actions might actually end up working.

 

[woodchuck]

Could be a good idea to get the stadium to play the song just before kick off, or at least put the words up on the big screen, has anyone approached them about this ?  Might take a few weeks but surely even the most 'stunned mullets' in the crowd would at least manage to hum along.

 

[FFC Mariner]

I think one of the advantages of the move to bay 23 is the ability to influence people down the sides with simple chants (Yellow Army for example)

What people can hear, they are more likely to copy

 

[pjennings]

I think one of the advantages of the move to bay 23 is the ability to influence people down the sides with simple chants (Yellow Army for example)

What people can hear, they are more likely to copy

I'm in Bay 6 and often struggled to hear what the Marinators were singing. During the ACL I was moved to the Eastern side and even with limited numbers the Marinators were much easier to hear at the halfway.

 

[soundsdifferent]

You know what, ill go further, and suggest our biggest problem with numbers and people not getting involved, is people throwing a lot of "we could do better IMHO" around, and not actually trying to join in and have a good honest f**king go anymore

Are you going to show up in the bay, and if you dont like whats being sung because "we could do better", just stand there and not contribute, and watch the marinators get worse and worse?

Or will you join in and have an honest go at getting the marinators back to what we should be, a loud proud supporters group, instead of a bunch of people complaining that "we could do better"?

good post.
im not in the marinators during games. but i say if someone is going to mess around, not chant and not get into it, tell them to piss off. tbh when sitting in bay 15 it sounded like 10 eople were chanting sometimes, but with upwards of 200 in the bay at times it just looks dum when it sounds like 10 people chanting. i think some people might think that they can be a bigger mariners fan because they sit in the bay. well they can get over it, i dont think anyone thinks your a bigger fan because you sit in there, half the people in the bay are quite suitable canidates for sitting down & STFUing because thats what they do in the bay. and i think people who are in the bay for the right resons should have the right to tell others to do something or piss off

 

[Forum Phoenix]

I think one of the advantages of the move to bay 23 is the ability to influence people down the sides with simple chants (Yellow Army for example)

What people can hear, they are more likely to copy

I'm in Bay 6 and often struggled to hear what the Marinators were singing. During the ACL I was moved to the Eastern side and even with limited numbers the Marinators were much easier to hear at the halfway.

Could hear much better when not in bay 16. I have never missed a game but have never made out I cant help falling in love or sailing as yet. Maybe will be able to now, and as FFC said this is bound to help, especially with other simpler chants. People look at us very strangely when my group chant yellow army where we sit. But if they're hearing it regularly and clearly hopefully this will change.

Bex, thanks for your kind thoughts, I'm very happy to do anything I can to help and have seriously considered attending a marinators meeting and getting involved. But I felt there was little point as I was restricted by my family commitments to sit where I sit at games. Planning on making a big banner again this year. Would be happy to help pass out handouts in my surrounding bays if the Marinators think it would help or require any assistance. We already try to start chants where we sit, Yellow army and come on you yellows for eg... but three clap mariners is the only one thats caught on with the crowds. Much to the ire of some Marintors as i understand it...

Because of my seating situation I've given this fact a lot of thought... The great thing is that it proves our crowds actually can and are willing to chant en masse. 3 clap seems to work not just because its so simple, but also its the way its particular brand of simplicity works. Yellow Army is pretty bloody simple too. But three clap is shouting only one word, and that word is peoples most comfortable and known word in relation to supporting the team - Mariners. From an embarrassment point of view for people this is actually less exposing than yellow army. The physical clapping action is also easy, some people just clap and don't yell mariners and vice versa. Its low risk embarrassment wise and creates a clear discernible rhythm. For mine nothing limits or kills a chant quicker than a lack of rhythm and unison and no one likes to feel stupid and stuff up. I think generally speaking, people would absolutely rather not chant than risk sounding or looking stupid.

Familiarity is obviously key in changing this as thats what breeds confidence, so the bay moving and hopefully hearing the chants and songs better will hopefully have an impact. But chants that involve simple physical gestures, a clear easy rhythm and few words, are obviously the most likely to succeed in terms of mass participation so hopefully the Marinators have a few more up their sleeve which may be brought to the greater crowd this year. I don't know whether handouts on chanting and advocating active support have been done before around the ground, probably, only that I or my family and friends have never received one.

My biggest thought in this regard would be that as a family club, which isn't just spin as when you look at our game audience demographic we truly are, we actually need to target the kids and begin creating the supporter culture from the bottom up. I doubt we'll be able to compete with the squadron or cove otherwise due to our population and our key audience demographic

I actually co own some martial arts schools here on the coast and have nearly 500 kids in my club and from what I observe in merchandise and those outside the marinators bay that are most willing to chant, its the kids. So personally I think this is who needs to be targeted around the ground and probably also explains 3 claps success to a large degree. Kids are less self conscious, they're often passionate, and they are tomorrows Marinators. Also if your kids chanting, it will likely help get the adults involved. Bit like at a house party, when you first turn the music on and all the kids get up and dance and muck around until eventually the adults get drunk enough to lose their self consciousness, follow their lead and take over. I have some ideas on how this might be achieved and would be willing to chat with anyone from the Marinators if your at all interested.  But please don't take offence any exec or Marinator members to my thoughts or offer, I'm not trying to be presumptive, I'm aware that everything I've said has very likely been discussed before and could for all I know already be in action, its just my two cents.

Best
FP

 

[pommypete]

Got married to this song,twice,the second time Elvis was there singin it!

 

[Bex]

@ ForumPhoenix

All sounds like positive constructive stuff to me. There are plenty on the board here who will hate the promotion of the Mariners clap clap clap chant, but the way I see it is that the opinions on this board have little influence on the actions and outcomes at matches. There are plenty on here with there own agenda (nothing wrong with that, it is a forum) and preconceptions who are quite keen to give negative feedback. At the end of the day, negative feedback on a forum does not make an idea any less valid; forums are always full of negativity.

However, you do need to get the buy-in/support of senior Marinators because they have the contacts at the game and the experience in organising stuff at the game. Having said that, additional manpower in something like handing out flyers would always be encouraged.

It would be good if senior members could assist by providing those contacts and by providing constructive general guidance so that you can implement your ideas. Its worth keeping in mind that everybody has a different way of doing things and what might not work for someone may well work for someone else. Its not the end of the world if someone else tries something thats already been tried and it fails again. The worst that can happen is that someone has been encouraged to take some action and that may bring along others that will also take action.

If we're to involve the entire stadium in the chants one day, we need to reach all different types of people and therefore it makes sense that we should encourage a multipronged attack by anyone willing to contribute. Sure its good to have an organised approach to these things, but IMO it shouldn't be considered disorganised just because someone new is willing to help in a practical way with something other members don't like. If those other members don't want to help on game day with that particular idea, thats fine, nobody is forcing anyone to do stuff they don't like.

Personally, I wouldn't mind if we endured Mariners clap clap clap several times a match if it meant that we got constant chanting for the entire game.

 

[Bear]

You know what, ill go further, and suggest our biggest problem with numbers and people not getting involved, is people throwing a lot of "we could do better IMHO" around, and not actually trying to join in and have a good honest f**king go anymore

Are you going to show up in the bay, and if you dont like whats being sung because "we could do better", just stand there and not contribute, and watch the marinators get worse and worse?

Or will you join in and have an honest go at getting the marinators back to what we should be, a loud proud supporters group, instead of a bunch of people complaining that "we could do better"?

good post.
im not in the marinators during games. but i say if someone is going to mess around, not chant and not get into it, tell them to piss off.

Not exactly what im saying. What im saying is, dont complain and bitch that we could do better if your not going to have a go to fix the problem.

Constructive criticism is fine if you dont like something thats being done, but if your then not going to even offer an alternative and try said alternative, then why are you posting?

 

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