Mariners 12th MAN- the CROWD !

[scottmac]

I've just had an idea. Maybe shite, maybe not?

Has anyone ever suggested of tried a cheer off between Eastern and Western stands at half time? It could be incorporated into half time entertainment using the marinators as the control.

1. Marinators show crowd what chant is involved or pre recorded chant shown on big screen.
2. Eastern stand chants
3. Western stand chants
4. Winning side has the wave for cash prize selected from there or some other gimic.

Chant could be a variant of the much dreaded clapping chant, or an easy one already in use by the marinators. A great way to get everyone involved and once learnt can be started by the marinators knowing that everyone can participate?

 

[fedelta]

sounds like a swimming carnival imo

 

[Forum Phoenix]

FWIW... I think its anything but a shite idea. Again probably something similar has been suggested before of course but as Bex said this still doesn't change its potential value.

What I really like about an idea like this is that it would help creates a chanting is normal and expected at games type feel for the masses - also would likely get people involved who had never chanted before and above all would be the best way I can think of to teach people en masse one mariners chant at a time as opposed to just hopiung if teh chants easy enough or whatever that people will hopefull eventually catch on. You leave things to chance and generally people will take the path of least resistance and f**k all will happen in my opinion. With a strategy like this by the end of the year - we could really have built a fairly decent around the ground repetoire? Be nice to have some of the overall atmosphere responsibility at games not just being dumped on the Marinators heads as it tends to be - as that responsibility belongs to us all. The Marinators should just be our leaders.

 

[Forum Phoenix]

Swimming carnival style support as a starting place for the masses would be a pretty bloody good beginning imo.

Most people would understand "swimming carnival" support - three clap chant probably testifies to this  - Where as few have been raised with an understanding of "football support." Never seen a flare ripped in my local bay by a middle aged woman with two kids and not sure I ever will Though it would be pretty cool  :ashamed:

Ideals are for long term goals, beginnings are all about working with what you've got or there will probably never be a significant 12th man. We may manage an eleven and half'th man from time to time, but thats about it. Far better for the "masses" to begin by supporting a little swimming carnival style and then evolve them than being content with Library style support.

 

[Part_Timer]

lets get a small dose of reality ppl, you keep talking about the whole stadium chanting..
we cant even fill our supporter bay and alot of those who do stand in the area dont chant..
you want the crowd to get involved in chants they can hear?? FILL THE BAY AND JOIN IN ppl will follow

 

[scottmac]

lets get a small dose of reality ppl, you keep talking about the whole stadium chanting..
we cant even fill our supporter bay and alot of those who do stand in the area dont chant..
you want the crowd to get involved in chants they can hear?? FILL THE BAY AND JOIN IN ppl will follow

like i have said previously in this thread, because of the nature of participants in the bay (don't get me wrong, without kids in tow i would be a major culprit) i can not join in. In a few years when i can leave the kids (or they're old enough to hear the colourful support of people such as Breeze) then i am in there.

 

[Part_Timer]

i can understand that, im saying to ppl in general build the core before you go off trying to get the whole stadium going... 400 ppl in the supporters bay all chanting ppl on the fringes pick it up..may join in and it grows

 

[Forum Phoenix]

This is about reality part timer, the bay is not filling and even some of those who do go apparently don't chant. From what I see the Marinators really do do a great job and are giving all they can each season. I'm not commenting on how to fill the bay or promote the marinators, I'm sure thats in good hands. The question is how to get the greater crowd to help show better support and join in with Marinators, as a serious twelfth man takes a stadium not a bay.

Personally I'm not remotely convinced that even if we can just get more people into the bay things will change around the ground at all, even with modifications something like 3 clap Fyfes a c**t I just can't see catching on around the ground

You can't say it's unrealistic, that they can't or won't chant. Because they do it with 3 clap already. And while the chant is certainly crap, it's still ironically our best active supporter chant simply because of the involvement it gets.

This is exactly about being realistic part timer. Scum have a bigger cheer squad because of their attending demographic. A lot of our demographic will most likely never be in the bay or supporting in the same way. Thats fine, it continues to distinguish and brand the Marinators as the supporter elite. But imo when active support is more a norm I see the Marinator numbers swelling also. Otherwise I'm afraid that not only will our masses fail to be very active in a supporter sense but also that theres the danger of people because of their lack of understanding of active support in football culture, simply seeing it all as those strange/funny full on guys who stand over their and yell out, and will never associate themselves with this kind of support.

This would be a loss.

 

[Bex]

Scottmac, I reckon thats a brilliant idea. The question is, who do we speak to to get something promoted at half time? I don't know, but I'm guessing any of the committee or Marinators elders will know the answer.

lets get a small dose of reality ppl, you keep talking about the whole stadium chanting..
we cant even fill our supporter bay and alot of those who do stand in the area dont chant..
you want the crowd to get involved in chants they can hear?? FILL THE BAY AND JOIN IN ppl will follow

And there it is, the negative influence. What harm is it for you if Forum Phoenix and/or Scottmac heads off and organises something that they feel might help? You're not being asked to do anything are you? It doesn't hinder your desire to get more people in the bay does it? To be honest, if some of the crowd start to chant and get the feel for it, they might just decide to head over to the bay at half time or at the next game.

IMO, this type of needless negative influence is a big part of why marinators participating member numbers are not growing. But I could be wrong.

 

[Part_Timer]

hahahahaha you are confused..

 

[Bex]

hahahahaha you are confused..

actually, no..

 

[~Floss~]

Scottmac, I reckon thats a brilliant idea. The question is, who do we speak to to get something promoted at half time? I don't know, but I'm guessing any of the committee or Marinators elders will know the answer.

All the excessive, annoying announcements and half-time "entertainment" are plugs for paying sponsors.

Getting time to play a song or lead a chant over the PA would involve replacing one of the paying sponsors.

Alternatively one of the sponsors would need to be approached about changing the focus of their paid airtime. Personally I'd like to see the Wave For Cash banners scrapped, and give the cash to someone who stands and waves something in support of the team (not the sponsor)... but you couldn't convince the sponsor that their brand would get the same expoure that way as it currently does. People go nuts for Wave For Cash; the stands are a sea of the sponsor's logo. I can only dream of a day when we see that many people standing holding scarves instead. Sadly it appears the only way to get that to happen would be to offer them a thousand bucks.

 

[Bex]

Good point Floss. I do wonder whether the sponsor would mind if there was some chanting thrown into the mix as well. Shit, they're already on their feet which is a big start for most.

 

[Forum Phoenix]

There would be multiple logistics and issues that would of course need to be discussed and worked around, but fwiw half time never seems truly full. There's still plenty of dead minutes in there usually. But that said, theres no reason why it needs to be half time really? Personally I think it would actually be better at the beginning of the match for getting the crowd Geed up and making teh environment more intimidating for the opposition. When you think about it, it's the perfect replacement for when Millsy *shudder* starts going, "Show us your yellow!" And lets here you make some noise! etc... etc... He's using the perfect window of time, with a very similar purpose of trying to lift the crowd. Its a fantastic idea in principle. But he, or at the least his material he uses is very poor. But who knows give him a decent focus/clear brief, with the Marinators backing and some support around the ground and the guy could turn into a real asset in doing something like this instead of the guy who makes me squirm in my seat right before kick off, saying things like, come on make some noise if you love the mariners?

You on here by any chance Millsy? 

Whatever the case, we need some much better pre match rev ups and thats for sure.
Justin McGuire you on here? I see you in the Bay a lot. Your dad would do a massively better job than Millsy imo.

 

[Bex]

Yep, I reckon the before the game idea is excellent.

I'm guessing Lamese as Marketing responsible would be the right person to speak to about moving this forward. Perhaps she can give you the name and number of the appropriate person to speak to about pre-match activities.

 

[Deej]

i can understand that, im saying to ppl in general build the core before you go off trying to get the whole stadium going... 400 ppl in the supporters bay all chanting ppl on the fringes pick it up..may join in and it grows

Having been in the bay since day 1 I agree with Part_timer, we need to get 1 bay chanting "good football chants" before worrying about anything else.

What we need to do is encourage people to join us in/around bay 23 and join in

 

[Forum Phoenix]

Yep, I reckon the before the game idea is excellent.

I'm guessing Lamese as Marketing responsible would be the right person to speak to about moving this forward. Perhaps she can give you the name and number of the appropriate person to speak to about pre-match activities.

Unless the Marinators are enthused about an idea like this I can't really see that much point spending any more time theorizing or typing about it further to be honest Bex...
3 nays so far... so doesn't look too promising, but no blame attached here. I feel Scottmacs idea is a quality idea with little to lose imo, but thats just my opinion and its all just ideas and possibilities so I certainly feel no personal attachment.

As a dedicated supporter I'll just hope that whatever the strategies the Marinators have for expanding the Marinators bay go really well this season. Hopefully there's also a few plans up their sleeves for expanding into the greater crowd in the not to distant future also as while I certainly can't see anything wrong with a desire to prioritize the bay first - especially with probably limited time and resources like most groups -  its just that even after that I'm not personally as convinced as some that the organic spreading would happen in say the next three seasons or so, which i think is a bit of a shame.

I just think there's probably a few too many issues around confidence in knowing what you are doing and style of chant and demographic etc for the spreading to happen very organically. From what I've heard but please correct me anyone if I'm wrong, the Marinators have already made efforts the years to help get active support out of the neighbouring bays, but nothing has really taken off as yet. Maybe the bay move will significantly impact on this though?

Be really interested to hear as a general CCM supporter what the Marinators plans/hopes are for this year having just had a recent general meeting. I should try and get along one day, it just never seemed to make much sense because I can't sit in the bay and marinate ;D

A Marinator Exec thread in the lines of the CCF one would be awesome for all of us big fans and would be marinators with other commitments from around the ground. Also help stop us driving you crazy talking shit about plans you've already made maybe too ;D But hey, what else is a 12th man thread on aforum for? 

 

[Jimmy]

i can understand that, im saying to ppl in general build the core before you go off trying to get the whole stadium going... 400 ppl in the supporters bay all chanting ppl on the fringes pick it up..may join in and it grows

Having been in the bay since day 1 I agree with Part_timer, we need to get 1 bay chanting "good football chants" before worrying about anything else.

What we need to do is encourage people to join us in/around bay 23 and join in

+1

 

[Part_Timer]

youd have to come back to the bay first jimmy...

 

[Jimmy]

youd have to come back to the bay first jimmy...

Rnd 10 mate.