Mariner stuff not worthy of a whole thread

[Luke]

Except he's gone - wouldn't they have long-since buried this thing if it was him?

The main cause for concern is the Sydney game at home.Our tactics were leaked before that game which he was still here for.He was of course on the bench and by all reports had horrible body language,hardly warmed up and only came out to warm up with a couple of minutes to go at HT.IF (big if) it was him,as we know he went the Monday after and there's probably no way for the club to get his info now unless FFA step in which they have.FFA are concerned about betting,insider trading etc.

Of course my conspiracy meter is at plus 1000 right now.

 

[nebakke]

They might be able to renege on compensation if he's breached his contract.

Ah, fair point - hadn't thought of that.
Would be nice if it was as simple as that...

 

[VicMariner]

PFA would get involved and make sure it isn't simple.

 

[rbakersmith]

From Gatty:

Central Coast Mariners demand players hand over mobile phone records
Central Coast Mariners have taken the extraordinary step of demanding their players hand over their mobile phone records amid claims of “an integrity issue” among the group.

It is understood concerns have been raised by the coaching staff that the Mariners formation and team line-up were leaked to Sydney FC coach Graham Arnold before the two teams met in a round four game in Gosford on October 31.

Sydney won 3-1 after the home side had attacker Nick Fitzgerald sent off in the first half. The scores had been locked at 1-1 at the time before the Sky Blues went on to win after former Mariners striker Matt Simon came on as a substitute to score twice.

Mariners chief executive Shaun Mielekamp confirmed to The Australian yesterday that the club had asked the players to hand over their phone records and that most had complied with the request.

However, The Australian understands at least six or seven players are standing their ground and have refused to comply with the request despite being threatened with legal action.

While reluctant to say too much, Mielekamp, who joined the club at the start of the season after spending time in the back off at Western Sydney Wanderers, revealed the matter has also been taken to Football Federation Australia.

“What I can say is that there has been an integrity issue that we have been made aware of and we have been in touch with the FFA regarding the matter and that is where it stands at the moment,” Mielekamp said.

He defended the club’s right to ask for the players’ phone records.

“We are definitely wanting to put this to bed as quickly as we can and by having the phone records, it allows us to move forward,” he added.

However, Professional Footballers Australia, the union that represents the players, has raised concerns about the legality of the Mariners move and is now looking into the situation.

“We have been made aware of a request made by the Central Coast Mariners and our lawyers are currently working with the club to understand the nature of their request,” the PFA said in a short statement.

“There is no further comment to make at this time.”

 

[midfielder]

The never ending story...

Interesting it was the players leadership group who asked for phone records ... issuing with betting make this a big deal ... as for the player finding another club it would be near impossible ...

 

[rbakersmith]

From the club:

Central Coast Mariners FC Club Statement

The Central Coast Mariners can confirm that there is an ongoing internal inquiry into the release of confidential information. The information released is highly sensitive and could have a potential impact to the integrity of the Hyundai A-League.

As part of that inquiry coaching staff, administration staff and players were asked to voluntarily provide phone records relating to the timing of when the information was released. The Club would also like to deny media speculation that players’ phones have been confiscated as it has been nothing more than a voluntary request in the interest of resolving the matter.

Majority of the coaching staff, administration staff and players have co-operated and cleared themselves from the inquiry.

The Club immediately provided all available information to Football Federation Australia (FFA) and had lodged a formal complaint to football’s governing body. The Central Coast Mariners are still awaiting an update from FFA on the matter.

Central Coast Mariners Head Coach Tony Walmsley provided the following insight:

"We trust our players implicitly and the fight back against Wellington Phoenix and the performance by 10 men against the Newcastle Jets demonstrates how quickly the belief is growing,” Walmsley said.

The staff and players are in great spirits and we are looking forward to taking on the Champions on Thursday with a lot of positive intent,” Walmsley said.

The Club will make no further comment.

 

[Forum Phoenix]

Only two motives and one other possibility as I see it:

A) Sour grapes - So Reddy, Bosnar become the most obvious targets. There's also Trifiro - the mysterious on the injury list for no apparent reason would fit.

B) Money. Secret agent, SFC or betting scandal... seems less likely to me than sour grapes.

C) Stupidity. We have a very young squad. This is the age of social media. Maybe someone got themselves caught up in something without really thinking it through. Wouldn't be the first time.

Hope it's not C. Caceres or Fitzy or Rose or someone would be a bit of a disaster and very sad.

 

[VicMariner]

This is going to be a big problem. Goodbye Mariners culture.

https://twitter.com/Gatty54/status/666464569724825600

Ray Gatt ‏@Gatty54 2h2 hours ago
Issue now for Mariners is that 6-8 players refusing to hand over records. Does club then say one of them has to be guilty? This is madness

 

[Gratis]

I think this is a little blown out of proportion by the media (and this time Gatty in particular) again.

1.) There has been a leak regarding tactics and team sheet to an opposing team. Not cool. Illegal. Bad.
2.) The 'leadership group', and it has been noted that is not the management or coaching staff - therefore senior players likely Monty/Rose etc. - asked players to voluntarily hand over phone records related to those dates to clear their names and simplify things. Most did.
3.) The club has handed everything they know over to the FFA.

This is all that has happened. It has to be addressed and the person responsible appropriately dealt with. The club has done nothing wrong and it is now in the hands of FFA. Await outcome of investigation.

It was clear from the last 2 games the players and coaching staff had each others' backs, big time. The culture will be fine.

 

[greenlig]

Are relations so bad between management and Arnold that they can't just ask on his end?

 

[scottmac]

Arnold may have asked for it.

 

[rbakersmith]

Are relations so bad between management and Arnold that they can't just ask on his end?

If you were Arnie, would you give up the source of your information?

 

[FFC Mariner]

I'd suggest that FFA involvement implies betting. Maybe not

As for handing over phones or records. If the club pays the bills and supplies them, they have a perfect timing right as employers. If they don't, it's up to the players and I can see why someone might refuse.

Do the players really want the club to know who they text, the sites they visit or the apps they have? I can see why not.

Simple solution. Factory reset and hand it over ☺

Companies investigate leaks of confidential information regularly. It's not unusual.

Reports of our imploding culture are premature as usual

 

[Timmah]

When they say phone records I'm gonna say it's just what your mobile provider puts on your bill? Like calls and sms, time and duration of each. I doubt it'd drill down to what sites were accessed level.

 

[dibo]

People leaking is how culture is broken. Leaking betrays trust of your teammates.

 

[gull]

From the club:

It's a good response, but why not issue this before it becomes a story?

Keep control of the situation, and then it isn't really one as it becomes a non-event.

 

[Rowdy]

Reading through Gatty's twitter ........

 

[rbakersmith]

It's a good response, but why not issue this before it becomes a story?

Keep control of the situation, and then it isn't really one as it becomes a non-event.

I'm sure their idea of "keeping control of the situation" would have involved dealing with the matter internally until the leaker was identified, then issue a statement. It looks like the leaking of the leak investigation put paid to that idea...

 

[Rowdy]

After digesting all of the 'allegedly's' and giving it some thought, memory kicked in to an interesting 'fact'.

Syd FC played Brisbane Roar at home the week after playing us. Watching the pre-game show on Fox the studio commentators cut to the ground to talk to John Aloisi and the first thing they asked was,

"We're hearing John that when Brisb arrived into your changerooms that SydFC had accidently left some paperwork behind in the room from their prior training session at the ground. It apparently had diagrams for set pieces, formations and some possible tactics. Did you have sneaky peak John, was it of any help??? " asked Adam Peacock.

Aloisi was grinning ear to ear, chuckling & confirmed that SydFC had indeed left some paperwork of their's in the changeroom, but Aloisi said "We gave it straight back to Sydney, I didn't take a look at any of it ...... I don't NEED to. "

It was clearly obvious from all the laughter that, both the Fox panel & Aloisi were insinuating SYDFC had deliberately left the documents in the changeroom.

Like I said, after much thought I don't think this is a coincidence.

Were the Fox panel, Aloisi/Brisb. & whoever else, "in the know" about events/(leak) the previous week when SydFC played us ???

I think yes, which explains the level of tongue in cheek humour towards Aloisi & his clear statement of 'giving them back/not needing them' as he knew they were just a 'red herring', as did the panel.

Still seems the joke is on us.

The truth will come out eventually as to which person betrayed the club and their team-mates.

Players from all A-League teams gossip and socialise on-line privately, some being child-hood friends.

So time will tell, not a matter of if just when.

 

[elevated position]

Only two motives and one other possibility as I see it:

A) Sour grapes - So Reddy, Bosnar become the most obvious targets. There's also Trifiro - the mysterious on the injury list for no apparent reason would fit.

B) Money. Secret agent, SFC or betting scandal... seems less likely to me than sour grapes.

C) Stupidity. We have a very young squad. This is the age of social media. Maybe someone got themselves caught up in something without really thinking it through. Wouldn't be the first time.

Hope it's not C. Caceres or Fitzy or Rose or someone would be a bit of a disaster and very sad.

On to this list of suspects you could add Nash as he works for Crawley and Creepy has a dislike towards Hutch.
But at least the Mariners are getting more airtime than other teams. Now if we could get some positive news.!!!!