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"I for one welcome our insect overlords" - The Politics Thread

midfielder

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Love this clip from George Carlin...

A tad old but me thinks there is a lot of truth in this .... it applies equally to both parties ...

 

true believer

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Not as long a bow as this ... "From true believer ... "violence and abuse are part and parcel of your conservative make up" ..."

ooh dear , you chortle that you want rudd to run into a club. then shrill foul when pulled up over
your craving violence, tisc tisc .

peter balwin was bashed by tom dominic when he sounded the alert on his attempt to rig a preselection.
a bit like alex hawke hay. you non liberal voter ,you.
 

rbakersmith

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As much as I think it's great that Lawrie and Nathan are running, I strongly disagree with these:

Check out #CCMariners Ambassador @LawrieMcKinna's campaign site. Lawrie is running for the seat of Robertson | http://www.teamcentralcoast.com.au
https://twitter.com/CCMariners/status/371808770696810496

Check out the campaign website of huge #CCMariners supporter @NBRACKEN142. Nathan is running for the seat of Dobell | http://www.teamcentralcoast.com.au
https://twitter.com/CCMariners/status/371809300512911361

While it would be in the club's interest for them to get up, the Mariners should definitely not be in the business of endorsing candidates.
 

midfielder

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D

The ALP leader thing i.e removal ... will this still apply after an election lost ... say Libs win the election ... does the ALP Leader if they say I still want to lead the party need to be voted out by members ...
 

dibo

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The ALP leader thing i.e removal ... will this still apply after an election lost ... say Libs win the election ... does the ALP Leader if they say I still want to lead the party need to be voted out by members ...
If we lose an election, the position is immediately up for election. It's only if we win that the position is 'protected', but you can understand that it's highly unlikely we'd be looking to roll a PM the day after an election win.
 

midfielder

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Thanks I understand if you win the PM cannot be replaced unless members also vote ... but I understand now it only applies to the PM so naturally if you are not PM you don't have the same protection ...
 

dibo

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Your understanding is wrong.

There can only be an election for leader (be they Prime Minister or Leader of the Opposition) immediately after an election defeat or in certain other circumstances including the Leader's resignation or a petition of 60% of Caucus.
 

FFC Mariner

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One of the new Governments first acts will be to reverse the FBT debacle.

One of the largest salary packaging firms saw their share price massacred when the announcement was made and it was up over 9% at one point today.

Someone knows something.
 

dibo

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Yeah, because people shouldn't have to keep a record for what, 9 weeks out of 60?

Complete bullshit. The Libs are supporting tax dodges for high income earners for the sake of a few hundred jobs, but will slash 12,000 public servants.

Complete bullshit.
 

dibo

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McKinna shows his true colours and does a preference deal with the Libs. Preferences the CDP and PUP ahead of Labor.
 

midfielder

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Its been arguably the worst campaign the ALP has run at a Federal election in a long time...

Whether this has been K - 07 doing or some back room types or both ... In the past there has normally been a swing back to the sitting government but the gap if anything seems to be getting wider ... wiser minds than me will no doubt do some analysis ... but for me here are the key turning points..

The I will raise the standard ad ... HHHHmmmm sorta reminded everybody that he was arguably the worst..
Appointing Peter B .... IMO just plan dumb ...
Northern T special zone ... HHHHMMMmmmm close to a copy of the Phoney's idea which got heaps of nay sayers .. the reaction by Bill Shorten "found out this morning" HHmmm old Kev is back..
Syria .... For me personally the only thing that grabbed my attention and was for me a vote winner .... K - 07 backed the US and took the normal line Australian PM's take regarding US defence statements essentially support and backing... Phoney said no Australian involvement and no troops will be committed [ took guts in the middle of a campaign] and when questioned further explained it in terms of goodies and badies sometimes the simple works ... I also agree we should not send troops...
Tried to Hard ... Kev after about a week always seemed tired, I think he did to much and a lot was rushed .. also gave the impression of promising something everyday ...
Attack the Phoney ... Given the raise the standard ad the ALP seemed to be in constant attack on the Phoney and after a while it just wore thin ...
PNG... The media in general .... OK News was out there screaming ... however ABC, Fairfax, SBS normally more ALP learning have been very critical and much more supportive of the Libs than normal... The FTA commercial stations have also moved away from ALP support .... Even ABC radio has been far more supportive HHHMMMM or maybe far more critical of the ALP.. this all happened after the PNG announcement.

Just my tho's ... Twil be interesting if the Dude holds his seat what he does ... and who will take the reins ...

My guess is Libs between 85 & 95 seats ....
 

dibo

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The country's in good shape.

2.6% GDP growth, 2.4% CPI, 2.5% cash rate, unemployment 5.7%.

If that's what Tony Abbott calls an economic crisis, he should reflect on the fact that there would be a queue around the block of countries asking for the Labor Party to send their economies into similar crisis.

The Liberals make a big deal of election mandates; how Labor didn't have one to introduce a carbon price and how Labor has to respect the Liberals' mandate to remove it should they win, without ever considering that they failed to respect Labor's mandate to introduce a carbon price after the 2007 election.

Instead they run around talking about Julia Gillard's supposed lie to the people.

The problem with this election is it's not about what's going on in the country, it's about what's going on in people's heads.

The Liberals have repeated and repeated and repeated a series of poisonous lies that seem to have paralysed the electorate.

People have in their head that the country's in crisis and the simple facts of the matter don't seem to make any difference. Tony Abbott and News Limited have run around repeating the doublethink* for long enough that it's become true in people's heads.

They've systematically distorted and manipulated to the point that it seems the electorate can't even see what's in front of their faces.

Labor for years tried to simply respond with methodical policy and explanation. The carbon price was explained and explained and explained. The circumstances that led to its introduction were explained and explained and explained.

It was introduced with barely a ripple across the country in spite of the fantastic and terrible predictions of the Opposition and remains in place having barely any impact on the lives of the average voter (most voters are if anything *overcompensated* by tax cuts and benefit increases) while emissions fell 7% in its first year and yet the Opposition still refer to it as a 'toxic tax' that does nothing.

It's a lie. Pure and simple, it's a deliberate lie, ignoring the simple reality of the situation to ensure you won't vote Labor.

Worse, they've been talking about a how they really believe in climate change, and they'll act through their Direct Action plan to reduce emissions by the same amount as Labor for less cost and with no carbon tax. This week they've admitted that it can't meet its emissions targets for the stated cost, but they're capping the spend.

"If tackling climate change costs too much, then too bad, Abbott told the National Press Club on Monday."

So they lied all along - their plan can't match Labor's but they've told the big lie for long enough that it barely matters now.

The Liberals complain about Labor's $70 billion cuts claim, but they're the Liberals' own numbers from a leaked paper from their razor gang back in 2011:

MARIUS BENSON:
It’s likely the Treasury will also have a swing at your plans announced by Joe Hockey to cut $70 billion from public spending and to cut 12,000 positions from the public service can you clarify is that opposition policy now?
ANDREW ROBB:
Well it is opposition policy to put a freeze on public servants appointments now that will mean over a period of two years that by not reinstating those that leave the public service there will be 12,000 less positions that’s correct.

Secondly, the $70 billion is an estimate of the sort of challenge that we will have if we are to get this government position back to living within its means. This government, the $70 billion just highlights how wantonly this government has been living beyond its means.

That’s the sort of order of magnitude which over four years which is quite achievable when you consider that this government has spent $150 billion more than it has raised over the last four years. And we are saying that we need to identify up to $70 billion over the next four years if we are to get this economy back in some sort of shape that we can be, so that we can weather any economic storm that might come at us from other parts of the world.

Labor's not making this up. The Libs have already announced $40 billion in cuts, they're holding back on this 'Commission of Audit' that they'll run after the election. When Howard ran a commission of audit in 1996, 60,000 public servants were sacked. When Newman ran a commission of audit in Queensland, there were 14,000 jobs cut.

Does anybody seriously believe that there won't be another $30 billion found by the Commission of Audit with thousands more jobs slashed?

But they call Labor liars over and over, while telling the biggest whoppers of the lot.

But we're going to be stuck with them, because they've lied and distorted and misled for so long that there's nothing Labor can say to change voters' minds.

In trying everything they can, they sound more and more shrill and desperate and all the Libs need to do is keep repeating the lies up to polling day and they're home free.

And anything bad that happens in the first year after they get in they'll blame on Labor.

The venom has done the trick and the prey is limp.

But Uncle Rupert gets what he wants, and Tony Abbott will get to ride around in the car with the little flag on the front, and all will be right with the world.


* To tell deliberate lies while genuinely believing in them, to forget any fact that has become inconvenient, and then when it becomes necessary again, to draw it back from oblivion for just so long as it is needed...
 
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pjennings

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Sorry - but I am just appalled at the preference deal. Basically they went in saying we want the best for the coast - good ideal.

However, they haven't attracted anything over and above what the two parties were offering. Their answer is to endorse the Libs because they will be in power and turn two close seats into two comfortable lib wins. In future years because of this folly the electorates won't be marginal and so won't attract the amount we currently get. :mad:

Why not say the truth - no one offered anything new so vote for us - we will vote for the coast and then preference the major party you want to.

Simply put - a big loss for the coast and the Mariners:mad:
 

pjennings

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So they should have preference'd who and for why ...

I said that - essentially put out a split ticket.

Why not say the truth - no one offered anything new so vote for us - we will vote for the coast and then preference the major party you want to.

The why is

In future years because of this folly the electorates won't be marginal and so won't attract the amount we currently get.

If they had come out a week ago and said no-one is listening then their own vote would likely to have been higher (us vs them). If they did the right preference deals and avoided being last after each round they may even have won the seats.
 

pjennings

Well-Known Member
They were funded by Singo.

Why is anyone surprised about the preference deal ?

Not surprised - more disappointed. They said they wanted a better deal for the coast - this ensures the opposite by delivering a lot of 'centrists' to the right of the political spectrum and making the two marginal electorates comfortable liberal seats. I'm not for politicising the club - which is essentially what has happened. I'm happy to take money from any party for the club - in a non-marginal seat that money won't be forthcoming.
 

FFC Mariner

Well-Known Member
Think Libs will win Robertson but with Craig sitting on a reported 12%,of primary and prefererencing Labor, that might be enough to retain it.
 

dibo

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Think Libs will win Robertson but with Craig sitting on a reported 12%,of primary and prefererencing Labor, that might be enough to retain it.
The Thomson votes will come off the top of Labor's vote, not bolster it. He's splitting Labor's vote. Bracken will split some more off. Labor's vote might be as low as 30% there, while I'd be surprised if the Libs poll short of 42-45%.
 

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