"I for one welcome our insect overlords" - The Politics Thread

[dibo]

Yeah, I don't think that's right. There's some pretty fanciful looking seat-by-seat polling.

If the polling is right, we're going to have a national result around 51-52 plays 48-49 and seat results more consistent with a national result of 55-60 plays 40-45, which would basically mean each side's seats would have to swing *hard* to the extremes and there won't be a marginal seat left in the country.

More likely, the MOE on marginal seat polling is way bigger than reported, mostly because we're new to large scale robopolling of small constituencies and haven't worked out the sampling and methodology kinks yet.

National robopolling seems fine (not least because you can compare against a bunch of other national polls taken by various methods), but the local stuff seems pretty whiffy.

 

[FFC Mariner]

I'm on 81-90 seats for the Coalition @ $2.30. The 91-100 at $3.50 was tempting but I think thats a stretch.

 

[midfielder]

Style

This News thing .... FFS newspapers are a small part of the media today... you have Fairfax, ABC, SBS, 9, 10, 7 ... various radio networks...

While News maybe 70% of the print media they are not anywhere near that size in the electronic and digital media...

This is the concern I have with Murdoch. A lot of the less intelligent, jump on the bandwagon of who they think will win, instead of who will do the best for the Country.

Me myself and I, have voted ALP more times than the Libs/ Nat's..

I have my own bias and beliefs and openly look to see what party from what I can work out will best deliver what I want... Other swinging voters that I talk to are similar ... we could have different desires and wants but overall we look beyond the head lines and who is talking ...

Does the TerrOR set up what is in the news cycle ????? I mentioned earlier an E- Tournament watched by over 400 million world and over 6 million in Australia arguably more if more than one person was looking at the screen. The final had almost 300K watching kinda similar to the A-League grand final ... No one in the main stream even mentioned this ...

I tend to think people like Alan Jones and say Mike Carlton simply re-enforce already held views ...

When Julia was on the throne by and large folk had stopped listening to her ... The Dud was brought in to save the ALP from going over the cliff... The Phoney is such a highlight that the Dud managed to drag the ALP back into contention...

Tis interesting to look at both campaigns who has run the better race.... Credit where credit is due the Phoney has run quite an affective campaign [maybe because I expected so little from him] ... the Dud very mixed IMO sometimes brilliant sometimes ordinary.. The polls indicate the ALP slipping as the campaign lengthens my experience is the government of the day always make a rebound in the last week and a bit so will be interesting to see what happens over the last two weeks...

However back to your main question ... Ya News are important, but so to is Fairfax, 9, 7, 10 , 2 & SBS... however when AFL drug stories, Cricket, season ending NRL, AFL & Union tests on, Test Cricket, ODI's etc all sorta take over much of the News cycle ... it shows how piss poor they both are ...

 

[dibo]

You're prone to weird misspellings and malapropisms and stuff, but for some reason it bugs me that you used 'affective' when you should've used 'effective'.

Affective is to do with mood or 'affect', effective is to do with the effect (or lack) that something has.

 

[hasbeen]

An absolute beauty on ABC news radio this morning:

Marius Benson: So are the coalition going to cut health funding?

Mathias Cormann: No as you saw in our release, we will maintain the current level of funding

Marius: But you aren't going to increase it at the same level it has been increasing, so that is in effect a cut?

So now we know, if you maintain a level it is in fact a cut (according to the ALP)

 

[hasbeen]

You're prone to weird misspellings and malapropisms and stuff, but for some reason it bugs me that you used 'affective' when you should've used 'effective'.

Affective is to do with mood or 'affect', effective is to do with the effect (or lack) that something has.

Hey Mr Grammar policeman:

You missed - re-enforce ... reinforce

Tis - 'Tis

Punctuation up the shit, but hey who cares when you're having a quick cheap shot?

 

[dibo]

An absolute beauty on ABC news radio this morning:

Marius Benson: So are the coalition going to cut health funding?

Mathias Cormann: No as you saw in our release, we will maintain the current level of funding

Marius: But you aren't going to increase it at the same level it has been increasing, so that is in effect a cut?

So now we know, if you maintain a level it is in fact a cut (according to the ALP)

It's a cut to the forward projections. It's the same thing the Government has done in cutting university funding - the nominal amounts will rise, but the rate of increase is slowed down, and the eventual level is lower (or "cut") compared to what it would otherwise have been.

It's the same thing that Abbott did as Health Minister; Abbott cut the rate of increase so the level wound up $1 billion behind where it would otherwise have been.

Hey Mr Grammar policeman:

You missed - re-enforce ... reinforce

Tis - 'Tis

Punctuation up the shit, but hey who cares when you're having a quick cheap shot?

As I noted, he makes many, as I noted, for some reason that particular one bugged me.

 

[hasbeen]

You kid me ... "eventual level is lower (or "cut")" .... these are the same? .. not in the English language I learned or speak. What a crap answer.

And if you want to play grammar policeman, start with your little ALP mate 'true believer' whose posts must be a stream of consciousness because they certainly aren't English.

 

[dibo]

If you're telling a hospital that their budget is $25m this year, $27m next year and $29m the year after, but then you change your mind and cut it to $26m and $27m in the out years, that's tantamount to a $3m cut over the out years.

Just because you don't understand it doesn't mean that hospital administrators don't suffer from having to shelve budgeted programs and cut staff. Freezing funding is worse, an actual cut to nominal funding is obviously worse again.

 

[true believer]

start with your little ALP mate 'true believer' whose posts must be a stream of consciousness because they certainly aren't English.

im sorry for having you in such slight regard. you really have established yourself as a 1st rate second rate man .
feel free to unleash more from your vitriolic kit bag. after all , violence and abuse are part and parcel of your conservative make up

 

[Mumbles]

Oh!
The election's not over yet ?

Meanwhile back at the ranch businesses are going broke and unemployment is rising.
Interest rates are low but no one is investing......hmmm!
Had to let 10 people go last month. All had families to feed.

Budgie smuggler or smug Rudd don't care. Just fix this f#cking mess ya clowns!

 

[FFC Mariner]

Not sure that either of hem see it as their job to be honest.

They just want to be in office. f**k the people.

 

[Mumbles]

All about creating an environment that gives stakeholders the confidence to make long term investments.

 

[hasbeen]

From true believer ... "violence and abuse are part and parcel of your conservative make up" ...

Violent conservatives? ha ha ha .... I give you the BLF, Peter Baldwin, The Painters & Dockers Union ... your turn.

 

[marinersman]

I see Lucy Wicks has preferenced Lawrie as number 2 on her how to vote card. And seeing the double page ad in the local paper with him and Bracken slamming Labor, I think it's reasonable to assume that Lawrie and Bracken have done a preference deal with the Libs even though he's still saying that he's waiting for both major parties for financial commitments for the Central Coast. If such a deal has been struck, I can't see anything but Lib wins in both Robertson and Dobell.

It's almost (but not yet) impossible for Labor to get up. Rudd's campaigning has been diabolical and he's got no message for re-election. His ego tells me he thinks he can win, but I'm not sure he even believes he can win any longer. He's not acting like he thinks he can win.

All the selfies with schoolgirls will stroke his ego, but he has badly lost the plot. I think a margin of 15-20 seats is likely and probably not a bad result for them given six years of mostly atrocious implementation of policy. Labor deserve nothing more than a spanking at the polls.

 

[true believer]

From true believer ... "violence and abuse are part and parcel of your conservative make up" ...

Violent conservatives? ha ha ha .... I give you the BLF, Peter Baldwin, The Painters & Dockers Union ... your turn.

I see a " but labor " defence for your slights. I'll go no further then tony abbott himself .

 

[true believer]

I said weeks ago singo set these guys up as liberal party stalking horses

 

[hasbeen]

I see a " but labor " defence for your slights. I'll go no further then tony abbott himself .

You reckon Tony Abbott beat up Peter Baldwin?

 

[dibo]

The BLF was deregistered in 1986, and wasn't affiliated to the Party in any case and the Painters and Dockers was de-registered in the early 90s (and had fewer than 2000 members for the last 20 years of its existence - hardly an industrial behemoth), Peter Baldwin was beaten in 1980, and served 15 years as an MP without incident.

To call Labor a party of violence and intimidation you are drawing a pretty long bow if you have to stretch back thirty years.

You know who makes up a massive slice of the labour movement now? People like nurses and teachers, cleaners and carers; hardly intimidating, just in need of support in the workplace. On the more 'rough and tumble' workplaces, it's very easy to talk about big mean union bosses but some of the big mean bosses are the employers. Take Grocon, or Qantas, or Tristar, or Patrick; locking their workers out.

Workplace militancy is up, but it's the employers with the dogs and balaclavas that we should be worried about, not unionists.

 

[hasbeen]

The BLF was deregistered in 1986, and wasn't affiliated to the Party in any case and the Painters and Dockers was de-registered in the early 90s (and had fewer than 2000 members for the last 20 years of its existence - hardly an industrial behemoth), Peter Baldwin was beaten in 1980, and served 15 years as an MP without incident.

To call Labor a party of violence and intimidation you are drawing a pretty long bow if you have to stretch back thirty years.

You know who makes up a massive slice of the labour movement now? People like nurses and teachers, cleaners and carers; hardly intimidating, just in need of support in the workplace. On the more 'rough and tumble' workplaces, it's very easy to talk about big mean union bosses but some of the big mean bosses are the employers. Take Grocon, or Qantas, or Tristar, or Patrick; locking their workers out.

Workplace militancy is up, but it's the employers with the dogs and balaclavas that we should be worried about, not unionists.

Not as long a bow as this ... "From true believer ... "violence and abuse are part and parcel of your conservative make up" ..."