GAME DAY FINALLY GRGvCCM

[Rowdy]

I think having Ascroft & McGing (only because that's who TW started) at CB with Monty as the deep DM that drops back a lot to create a 'back 3' would have been a lot tighter and a more organised defence that could've countered better than what we had tonite.

When we play out from the back, a back 3 allows your L&RB to get forward into the midfield 'at the same time' - regardless of which flank the ball is on.

Ascroft at RB, was pretty ineffectual going forward and I would've had Berry at RB instead.

Playing out from the back as ....

-------------------------- Necevski -------------------------

--------- Ascroft ------------------------McGing ---------------------------------------- Monty ----------------------------
Ascroft ............................................. McGing

--------------------------- Junior ----------------------------
Berry ----------------------------------------------------- Neil

------------- Fab ------- Powell ------ Bingo/Pain -----

----------------------------- RO'D ---------------------------

 

[JoyfulPenguin]

I think having Ascroft & McGing (only because that's who TW started) at CB with Monty as the deep DM that drops back a lot to create a 'back 3' would have been a lot tighter and more organised defence than what we had tonite.

When we play out from the back, a back 3 allows your L&RB to get forward into the midfield 'at the same time' - regardless of which flank the ball is on.

Ascroft at RB, was pretty ineffectual going forward and I would've had Berry at RB instead.

Playing out from the back with as ....

-------------------------- Necevski -------------------------

--------- Ascroft ------------------------McGing ----------------------------------- Monty ----------------------------
Ascroft ......................................... McGing

--------------------------- Junior ----------------------------
Berry --------------------------------------------------- Neil

------------- Fab ------- Powell ------ Bingham -----

----------------------------- RO'D ---------------------------

Ascroft contributed nearly nothing from right back apart from randomly bombing the ball to Seb Mattei. He looked half decent there last season but appears to have gone backwards slightly. While defensively very weak Appiah/Buhagiar could play a role there and provide additional support for Fabio which was very much missing tonight.

 

[midfielder]

After last year the rest of the league is looking at us and I have read a few comments saying why should we be allowed to stay in the A-League.

In our licence agreement we signed off as did others on certain key performance indicators like memberships, average crowds, average ratings etc.

If we start the year as we finished last year its more than our place on the table that could be at stake.

I really hope TW can turn it around but if he is incapable then MC needs to act fast must be remembered he has had the side for maybe 18 0r 19 months since Moss got the flick.

 

[Rowdy]

must be remembered he has had the side for maybe 18 0r 19 months since Moss got the flick.

⬆It's this !
that is weighing heavily on his future results now.

That old excuse of:
"they're not my players !" expired.

Not being allowed to stay in the League is
ri-dick-ulous, kick us out and they lose $$$'s on the TV deal.

Whipping Boys 2.0

 

[Forum Phoenix]

Had to work so didn't see the game. But doesn't matter. You can't defend that result.

In the interests of fairness, I said six weeks for TW, but this really tests the resolve and is going to be terrible for morale (in the back of their heads all the players have to be wondering now what the season ahead may look like) and will be awfully beat up by the press which was already going to be bad enough. Pre season just got a whole lot harder.

Without seeing the game, what I can say is I think that's a shitty lineup and was asking for trouble. Sounds like GG used their fitness as an advantage - which you would surely EXPECT - sounds like TW didn't. Not going to park the bus if there key advantage is fitness. You can either absorb pressure and play through it, naive with that line up, or play over/direct. We obviously did neither.

If you say Rowdy that he had them playing tight triangles and focusing on retaining possession in poor areas under the relentless pressure of a much fitter side... that was very poor coaching. It's not a training exercise or friendly, the tactics need to suit the game at hand, not your intended playing style in ten weeks time.

I've been far more reserved than most, but going out of the cup first round to a 6th place VPL side makes a very good argument for a new coach with a couple months pre season.

Middy there were nine spoons before ours. Won't tolerate any of that not fit to be in the HAL utter shit. You shouldn't either.

 

[priorpeter]

... f**k's sake.

 

[BrisRecky]

I thought we were in trouble as soon as I saw the run on side. I thought all these signings and he ain't using 80% of them sure the ref and lineys were numbnuts but Gully are part timers and we by rights should of cleaned them up....cudos to Blake Powell and Crazy Ivan, and Rowdy is right, Pain is about twice the man he used to be....surely Walmsley can't last much longer with the amount of low points his accumulating, ....has Hutch got his full ticket yet?...couldn't be any worse to let him have the job,
#Walmsleyout #WishfulThinking

 

[Capn Gus Bloodbeard]

What was the situation with their first goal?
Either way, from TW's interview he reckons he was preparing hard for a win. If he had said he's just treating it like a preseason run I wouldn't care about the result, but that result after that interview?
f*** off Walmsely.
Did anybody actually watch the game? I almost went to it....glad I didn't.....
Gully are a very good side in the NPL, but we're a HAL side.
(actually, anybody been watching our preseason games at all?)

 

[MrCelery]

I knew there was a reason I don't give Murdoch my money for Foxtel. By all accounts we were very poor last night. The gloom descends.

 

[Capn Gus Bloodbeard]

I have Foxtel, but seriously considering whether I want to add the sports pack on this year again. Pity my internet connection is so crap because that cheap online HAL-only subscription would be good.

 

[JoyfulPenguin]

What was the situation with their first goal?
Either way, from TW's interview he reckons he was preparing hard for a win. If he had said he's just treating it like a preseason run I wouldn't care about the result, but that result after that interview?
f*** off Walmsely.
Did anybody actually watch the game? I almost went to it....glad I didn't.....
Gully are a very good side in the NPL, but we're a HAL side.
(actually, anybody been watching our preseason games at all?)

We were very poor and couldn't seem to decide whether we were playing on the counter attack or trying to play a possession based game. Green Gully were simply better than us for a majority of the game. They deserved their goals on the balance of play even if the referring was a bit dodgy at times. They out possessed and out pressed us. We looked lost for ideas if they managed to stop a quick counter attack. Blake Powell and Ivan Necevski looked very good though.

 

[kevrenor]

Have only watched the first half so far (have it taped as I was at a meeting last night), but I know the final score and the issue about goal/s dissalowed - but the team selections puzzle me. This was a top level competition in its late stages, not some training hit-out! Another lost opportunity to build confidence and momentum.

 

[dibo]

Have only watched the first half so far (have it taped as I was at a meeting last night), but I know the final score and the issue about goal/s dissalowed - but the team selections puzzle me. This was a top level competition in its late stages, not some training hit-out! Another lost opportunity to build confidence and momentum.

Compare the two starting lineups we might have put out.

The actual:

Necevski
Ascroft McGing Montgomery Neill
Rose Berry
Ferreira Powell Bingham
O'Donovan​

Bench: Izzo, Appiah-Kubi, Pain, Faty, Tavares

​

The potential:

Necevski
Ascroft Faty Rose Neill
Rose Montgomery
Ferreira Powell Pain
O'Donovan​

Bench: Izzo, Appiah-Kubi, Bingham, McGing, Tavares

Take the game by the scruff, win it in the first 45 minutes and get the f**k out of there, pride intact.

Instead, we get the shit-show we had last night.

One note also - Tavares looked underdone and Appiah pointless. If Faty is as far off the pace as those two then we're going to struggle.

Pain looked OK and Necevski a decided improvement on Izzo, so there are at least two positives.

 

[Capt. Awesome]

Has Walmsley tried to explain himself? Have not seen any post match quotes.

 

[Myzer]

Sounds like some blaming of the officials going on.

http://www.insidesport.com.au/fourfourtwo/news/walmsley-officials-cost-us-432448

 

[Capn Gus Bloodbeard]

Cc Mariners facebook page is furious with walmsely. don't think I've seen that many comments on a HAL game before let alone FFA cup!

Walmsely is going to do some serious long-term damage as it's going to take a long, long time to build our crowds up again.

@kevrenor - thoughts on Roy's disallowed goal?

 

[pjennings]

Sounds like some blaming of the officials going on.

http://www.insidesport.com.au/fourfourtwo/news/walmsley-officials-cost-us-432448

I disagree. He points out the obvious errors in two sentences then talks about how well they played and how poorly we played
.....

The reality now that the challenge sinks in, the players are very sore in there. They’re hurting deeply, they wanted to win and didn’t.

“They put us under pressure throughout and we needed to cope better with that and we needed to play better, with possession in the second half we played poorly.

"Lots of things for us to work on. It just means our pre-season’s a bit longer now without another competitive game.”

Despite Walmsley’s criticisms of the officiating, he was gracious in defeat and congratulated his counterpart Arthur Papas.

“Credit to Green Gully, it’s always great for an underdog to get a result in a cup tie. It was a real cup tie and they put us under pressure and controlled the game,” he said.

“We had Heavy pitch early pre-season some of the players were probably a bit fatigued and didn’t play well enough second half at all to lay any claims there.”

Walmsley also concerned how deflated his team looked for the most part of the second half and the display dished up by the Mariners was poor against a semi-professional side.

“The concern for us wasn’t how dangerous they looked, but how we were performing. We weren’t composed enough in possession, we didn’t move the ball quickly enough from side to side,” he said

“We had one spell of it in five minutes in the second half, It would have had a tick mark for acceptable. The rest of it was rubbish and we need to be much better than that.”

 

[ballantyne]

Last season began with the worst of harbingers: the "entertainment mantra". The club backed Walmsley to the hilt with a tacit statement that we were going to let in a lot of goals, even though there is no evidence whatsoever for this strategy being either succesful or popular. TW met fans off the bus at away fixtures and in the bar at CCLC, and we crossed our fingers. We went on to concede a record number of goals and took our place as a candidate for worst ever A-League team.
This season begins with the same terrifying omens, PLUS a squad with no doubt wrecked confidence after a full-bore humiliation. Out-thought, out-paced, out-fouled by part-timers.
I believe no strategy is relevant or useful while we are conceding 2+ goals per game, and I have serious doubts this coach can achieve any clean sheet.

 

[Gratis]

Well I was pretty happy with that.

Despite the poor refereeing we didn't deserve to win - I loved how we weren't in it really at all in the second half bar about 5mins.

It's also great how we showed fairly little grit and very little in the ways of structured plays. It was fantastic watching that to think that another A-League team would have butchered us.

My favourite bit is how we've managed to turn the tables - we used to continuously win against the odds but now we continually lose against the odds.

Things I'm displeased about - Powell looked the goods as did Necevski.

Overall good times, good times.

 

[Capt. Awesome]

Sounds like some blaming of the officials going on.

http://www.insidesport.com.au/fourfourtwo/news/walmsley-officials-cost-us-432448

Thanks for that. I though most of his comments were fair. Said the refs did cost us which was true and also said we were out played.