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FINALS - game 1 - CCM v ROAR

kevrenor

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I thought it was more like 12,000 (disappointing enough) but could not see how full the usually well stocked upper level of the western stand was with FFA/Ticketek style ticket allocation.

It has been suggested elsewhere that last week all season ticket holders were counted whether there or not, and this week just the turnstiles - could be rubbish of course.

I think we have to go for it next week - not run dead and concentrate on the game vs MV/GCU as is tempting - but that could mean we take risks like we did against Gold Coast.
 

midfielder

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On the crowd thing others have mentioned...ROFL at the 10K.... someone has a big paper bag with lots of coin in it me thinks..

The only thing that out does it... was a Northern Spirit V Olympic match at Belmore Oval on night...

The grand stand which is mega huge was full ... not seats sign out ... the home and away ends although small were both packed to overflowing and the hill was about two thirds full... crowd was announced as under 4K...more like 18 K or more...
 

kevrenor

Well-Known Member
A match report on last night's game is now up at: http://back-of-the-n...1/F1-CCvsBR.htm

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Photo: Lowenna Rappo

Other report from games during the year are at: http://back-of-the-n.../a-league10.htm
 

MrCelery

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Disagree about Hutch being to blame for the first goal - he was given a hospital pass by that f**king useless McBreen, who then stood like a bloody great log while Brisbane took it down field and scored. He could have at least moved his fat lazy arse and tried to chase it down. It wouldn't have done any good because he's slower than a wet week, but he could at least have looked like he cared.
If GA takes this cardboard cutout of a football player to Brisbane next week, I think I'll resurrect the Arnoldout thread. Even Nik would be a better option than this useless bastard.

+1

Agree with it being McBreen's cockup and his less than helpful followup. Very disappointing that he then berated Hutch for not getting to the ball.
 

sally

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What a lot of misery guts a lot of you are. I went and had a fantastic night. The stands were buzzing and the first half was one of the most exciting games I have gone to (and I've been going since the pre-season of the very first season). I thought all the boys were fired up and working their hardest. Mistakes happen but that is football and players are human. I thought we were a real equal or better to Brisbane and considering the way CCM were written off at the start of the season that is a massive achievement. Thoroughly looking forward to next week.
 

Roy Law

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What a lot of misery guts a lot of you are. I went and had a fantastic night. The stands were buzzing and the first half was one of the most exciting games I have gone to (and I've been going since the pre-season of the very first season). I thought all the boys were fired up and working their hardest. Mistakes happen but that is football and players are human. I thought we were a real equal or better to Brisbane and considering the way CCM were written off at the start of the season that is a massive achievement. Thoroughly looking forward to next week.
I appeal, your Honour. My post was not miserable...

And yes the stands were buzzing (which is why I query the attendance figure)- right from the start the 'Mariners' chant was ringing throughout the stands. There was a queue to get in, there was a beer queue, the League's Club was packed, even the Chinese struggled to keep up with the numbers. It was a great night without a great result. I was pissed off with the result but not with the effort. We have come a long way since the 1-5 defeat.
 

sally

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I appeal, your Honour. My post was not miserable...

And yes the stands were buzzing (which is why I query the attendance figure)- right from the start the 'Mariners' chant was ringing throughout the stands. There was a queue to get in, there was a beer queue, the League's Club was packed, even the Chinese struggled to keep up with the numbers. It was a great night without a great result. I was pissed off with the result but not with the effort. We have come a long way since the 1-5 defeat.

Appeal granted. I always enjoy reading your posts. :)
 

pjennings

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As it turns out - tonight's result could be just what we need.

We go into the return leg knowing

1) what we are doing won't work against Brisbane
2) we have nothing to lose
3) our finishing was not clinical - Brisbane's was
4) our creativity was down

I'd stick with the 4-4-2 - or rather a 4-4-1-1 with Perez effectively the nominal support striker behind Matty. He is one of the better finishers and it allows Musty on the field to improive our creativity.

If the tactic works we can still win this major semi. Even if we don't win the semi -but win the game it can tell us something about that combo for the weeks to come.


What we are doing will work against Brisbane we just need our chances to go in and limit our mistakes. We can do that, we win.

Maybe I was being a little loose in my wording. I wasn't calling for widespread change - just more creativity and especially more clinical finishing. We could possibly be in violent agreement. :innocent:
 

Marquee

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I thought it was a fantastic game with a great atmosphere and had easily more then 10k present. It was one of those games where, as Arnie said, the winner would be the one who took their chances, which is a story that Mariners fans are all too familiar with.

I don't agree with the calls for mass changes. We gave it to the best club team in Australian football history in the first half but let ourselves down with poor finishing. We got frustrated in the second half, which led to us losing the midfield battle and our speed in transition and that was the game.

I walked out of the stadium absolutely pissed off and down, not because we were poor, but because it was really ours for the taking and the boys deserved more from it. It's gonna take something special next week to turn it around so.... :popcorn:
 

marinersman

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I've been doing my head in all day thinking about this game. Absolutley shattered to lose 2-0 but on the other hand, I thought we were the better side and to create the chances we did against a high quality side proves we are a very good side capable of beating Brisbane, if not turning it around enough next week to host the GF, then in the GF.

I'm very confident we won't be so wasteful in front of goal again this season. Matty is the type of player that needs to play week in, week out so we'll so a massive improvement from him next week. I thought Perez was good but he needs to shoot more when he has space around the "D". So many times I was yelling at him to pull the trigger but he didn't for whatever reason. The odd occasion he did, his shot was blocked as he was too late. For me he remains the key. I get the feeling we've only seen him at around 50% of his abilities this season. With a full pre-season and full fitness next year, he will easily be the the best player in the competition.

It's hard to see us qualify first for the GF now, but stranger things have happenend in our beautiful game. If we score first, look out because were capable of getting 2 and then in extra time anything is possible. Keep believeing friends because ours is the strangest and most beautiful game of all. Anything is possible and we have to keep the faith.

Even if we don't get their first, I still believe we'll make the GF and we can win this whole thing. We have the players, they have the belief and we have the coach to do it.

This is the best team and squad playing the best football we've ever seen on the Central Coast. We have so much to be proud of. We're not out of this by a long shot.
 

marinersman

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What a lot of misery guts a lot of you are. I went and had a fantastic night. The stands were buzzing and the first half was one of the most exciting games I have gone to (and I've been going since the pre-season of the very first season). I thought all the boys were fired up and working their hardest. Mistakes happen but that is football and players are human. I thought we were a real equal or better to Brisbane and considering the way CCM were written off at the start of the season that is a massive achievement. Thoroughly looking forward to next week.

Great post Sally, I agree whole heartedly. We're still in with a massive shout of winning the GF regardless of whether we qualify first or not.
 

Forum Phoenix

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Wow Sally, lucky you weren't around here for the last couple of season before this one! :piralaugh:

While I LOVE and affirm your positive sentiment, I think overall it's all been very mild and well reasoned mostly across the board.
Especially considering how most forums respond to their losses.

Partially agree with the Hutch defense, McBreens pass was lazy and poor, but Hutch was on his heels and not even considering the possibility of getting the ball straight back - let alone giving and going into space. Apart form that I though he had a decent game. But really both were culpable imo.

Sadly I think that was overall a game where we beat ourselves - the only thing we genuinely struggled with was moments of ROARs high octane pressure and pace. But that is still a lot in a game of football I realise. Nevertheless, I still thought we played some very good football, and that the result did not reflect the overall game. But as we know, to our bane, we are not clinical - and sadly I don't think we have ever had a truly clinical and inform striker) Mori had a clinical career, but by his own standards, we never really had him in form. Aloisi... He left before he could truly claim that title.

Matty last night, looked as he was, a striker coming back form a knee injury - and when that striker plays a very physical style of game, he's obviously going to be a bit out of sorts and under par and so he looked.

For mine, while it won't happen I'd really like to see Duke on the bench. In one cameo he showed he has the pace and directness to threaten in a way that we desperately need and also creates space for the ball players like Perez, Olly and Weemac.

McBreen and Matty will work very hard, but they don't have the pace to really stretch lines or pull players out of position - especially against a highly fit, mobile and fast unit like Roar who manage to compress and cope with our attack and midfield much better than most HAL sides do.

Other thoughts when it comes to beating the Roar, if they flood the midfield with an extra man - which is pretty much the standard counter to a 442 diamond - and press as hard and fast -Barcelona style- to win the ball back ASAP... then
you either need to be able to move the ball very fast, (which is a bit faster than we did) or you also need to bring an extra man into the mids... or play more direct.

We surely don't wat to play direct with a stellar midfield like ours - so personally I'm of the line of thought that we need more youth, pace and exuberance to live with the Roar and would give 451/4411 a shot with Matty leading the line and Amini getting what I feel is a very well deserved start beside Perez.

For me, three times now when Amini has comes onto the park with Perez, it really just looks like we will have too much creativity on the park for sides to live with and a goal sooner or later is inevitable.

We are a very good side. I actually think our midfield and wingbacks, with the exception of McKay and possibly the DM matchup of Partalu on Griffiths/Hutch comes out on top. But in the front third with Barbarouses, Solorzano, Henrique, Broich, Nichols, I think they clearly have the edge, with more players who now how to finish compared to us.

So anyway as said I'm all for getting Amini on. And like others felt GA would have been better served to have brought him on at least twenty earlier for Olly - who looked to me to have really struggled this game, it might have just been an off night, or the roars pressure , but my take was that he was undone a little by the magnitude of playing finals football. Didn't seem in his zone.

Sorry for the essay btw; my final comments, I think our mids, Olly, Weemac and Perez MUST back themselves to take Roar players on consistently. Which they did in the 3-3 and I though we clearly deserved the win in that game. Please don;t die wondering and GO FOR IT BOYS! This very point has been one of the Roars secrets this season for mine.

I have heard rumours that we already have one eye on the sudden death playoff and not both on the second leg of the tie. I dearly hope this is not true. I agree its a mammoth task. But if we are to go down at suncorp I think we need to find that out on the night as I believe anything less than total belief we can still do it, would be a mistake mentally leading into a sudden death game. We can beat Roar by two or more, and should endeavour to do so.

Oh and an honourable mention to Breeze and the abysmal liney on the eastern side.
Not vintage Breeze, but still a considered effort to get himself back to form I thought. :headbutt:

Thanks for reading if you got this far,
Cheers
FP
 

Forum Phoenix

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I just got locked out from editing my above post? Much better version now being wasted.
Must have shut down at the thought of me possibly lengthening it. :ashamed:
 

serious14

Well-Known Member
That was the first game I watched live (online) in something like 10 - 12 weeks.

We subsequently played...... not too well. That, and Brisbane were quite outstanding.

Evidently I have a reverse midas touch. I will consider any and all bribes not to watch games live anymore.
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elevated position

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the macbreen /hutch episode was created by a very poor pass from hutch to macbreen who with nowhere to go returned the shocker back he must have forgot hutch will never move to a ball.
 

midfielder

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I would love to start with Berine and Matty on the park with Duke on the bench...

Berine's replacement is Amini with Perez moving up front and Matty replacement is Duke...both should happen mild way tho the second half...
 

Tassiemariner

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I think Arnie wanted to start Hutch instead of Griff for added mobility to stop Roar's midfield. Unfortunately hutcho was constantly just roaming around leaving massive gaps (see brisbane's centre-right flank in the first half)

Outside of this complaint, thoroughly enjoyable match to watch. Certainly around 12-13k there and just beaten by a team that is the best we've seen in the A-League
 

adz

Moderator
Staff member
I just got locked out from editing my above post? Much better version now being wasted.
Must have shut down at the thought of me possibly lengthening it. :ashamed:

Sorry, my bad :ashamed: I changed a couple of settings so that when you edit a post it says "edited by..." etc, and enabled the time limit for editing posts... didn't realise it was set to 10 minutes by default. I've bumped that to 1440 minutes, or 1 day.
 

Bladesman

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I think the game really reflected the whole season, Brisbane in a class of their own, us playing a great style of football, our inability to finish costing us.

I thought we played well and would have beaten any other team in the a-league so I am confortable we will beat whoever makes it through from the sudden death side to make the GF.

I think we should take a couple of risks next week in giving the youngsters ago, we have nothing to lose and given the roar have accounted for us 3 times this season already we need to do something different to beat them or at least learn if we can expose them.

In terms of looking forward for next season I don't think Hutch, Kwassie or McBreen have a lot to offer us (they have been great for the club so far but are not equiped for the level Brisbane have forced the league to lift to) and as I and others have said I would like to replace them with the youngsters. We cannot repeat Lawries mistakes again of hanging on to players for too long and not moving forward.

The biggest issue I see for us to focus on next year is how we are going to replace Dutchy. It was obvious on Saturday that Wilko is not going to be a player that replace him when it comes to playing out from the back, he is a great defender but there were a number of times when he should have pushed forward into huge ammounts of space both with and without the ball and his control and distribution is limited.
 

Forum Phoenix

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Sorry, my bad :ashamed: I changed a couple of settings so that when you edit a post it says "edited by..." etc, and enabled the time limit for editing posts... didn't realise it was set to 10 minutes by default. I've bumped that to 1440 minutes, or 1 day.

Ah ok cool. Cheers adz.
 

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