CCM Fans and the club

[rbakersmith]

I think another highly important thing to note when talking average crowds is that for the first 3 or 4 seasons, we only had 8-9 home games in a season.

Actually, we had 10-11 games at Gosford from season 1-5:

• 2005-06: 10 games, total 72559, avg 7926
• 2006-07: 11 games, total 108112, avg 9828
• 2007-08: 10 games, total 127382, avg 12738
• 2008-09: 11 games, total 115110, avg 10465
• 2009-10: 11 games, total 85958, avg 7814 (+2 games @ Canberra, avg 5315)
• 2010-11: 14 games, total 113813, avg 8130
• 2011-12: 13 games, total 125162, avg 9628
• 2012-13: 13 games, total 128970, avg 9921
• 2013-14: 13 games, total 124812, avg 9601 (+1 game @ NSO, 6755)
• 2014-15: 12 games, total 92407, avg 7701 (+ 1 game @ NSO, 7098)
• 2015-16: 13 games, total 99292, avg 7638 (+1 game @ Geelong, 14268)

 

[Wombat]

On a positive note.
I sat next to a newbie for the Scum game in Bay 17.
He loved the whole experience (apart from the Football) and told me he is buying a season ticket next season.

 

[Timmah]

Actually, we had 10-11 games at Gosford from season 1-5:

• 2005-06: 10 games, total 72559, avg 7926
• 2006-07: 11 games, total 108112, avg 9828
• 2007-08: 10 games, total 127382, avg 12738
• 2008-09: 11 games, total 115110, avg 10465
• 2009-10: 11 games, total 85958, avg 7814 (+2 games @ Canberra, avg 5315)
• 2010-11: 14 games, total 113813, avg 8130
• 2011-12: 13 games, total 125162, avg 9628
• 2012-13: 13 games, total 128970, avg 9921
• 2013-14: 13 games, total 124812, avg 9601 (+1 game @ NSO, 6755)
• 2014-15: 12 games, total 92407, avg 7701 (+ 1 game @ NSO, 7098)
• 2015-16: 13 games, total 99292, avg 7638 (+1 game @ Geelong, 14268)

My point remains - the number of games increased along the way and it coincides with a drop in crowds. The extension of the season did damage to our average attendance.

 

[FFC Mariner]

Hi Shaun

The petition that Action for Mariners fans have got going through change. org now has 240 signatures (I'm not one by the way).

That's a reasonable bit of feedback from customers and I wonder if the club plan to respond?

High profile ex staffers are kicking the club to death and I think CCM need to stop the "hope it will go away" strategy as it possibly won't.

Silence is easily taken for inaction and you will have memberships to sell soon.

 

[rbakersmith]

My point remains - the number of games increased along the way and it coincides with a drop in crowds. The extension of the season did damage to our average attendance.

I'd argue that the drop in average attendance had more to do with our on-field performance in 2009-10 than the extension of the season.

 

[midfielder]

Shaun

I now live on the Coast but the group I sit who are all from Sydney, Dundas and Marsfield, their are five of us including myself and she who must be obeyed, in front of us is a group of 6 and they are from Bossley Park [they have a 15 year old boy just selected for either Sydney United or White Eagles] ...

All up thats 9 people travelling a long way especially the family from Bossley Park my guess is they also followed the Northern Spirit and followed them up the Coast. Most of the Sydney based fans or I suggest most who have been from the start are knowledgeable ... they all said if the coach does not change they will not return and they will be hard to get back even if we start winning because of the travel. Thats 9 out of 9 ...

There is a feeling and I share this feeling ... while accepting the issues we have had this year the coaching was very poor and that added to how bad people felt.

Peter Storrie belief fans will return after we win a few games needs to consider those who travel up to one and a half hours each way and I can recall reading this was 25% of our membership a while back.. I think once the habit is broken it would take a very good squad to get them back.

With WSW and talk a new Sydney team in the West or South West or South and remembering that those old NSL clubs still draw smallest crowds .... it would be foolish not to research this group they would be hard to replace.

 

[midfielder]

I'd argue that the drop in average attendance had more to do with our on-field performance in 2009-10 than the extension of the season.

I think the biggest reasons for our fall in averages is we get hardly any night games any-more, Saturday afternoon and Sunday afternoon... A Friday night 7:30 kick off adds at least a thousand and a Saturday night 7:30 adds two thousand at least.

I would love in summer for the 5;00 Saturday to start at 6:00 and for the late game to start at 8:00 that extra delay of an hour I think would add to our crowd.

 

[Timmah]

I'd argue that the drop in average attendance had more to do with our on-field performance in 2009-10 than the extension of the season.

Given one of our lowest crowd averages occured in a season we made the Grand Final, I cannot agree.

 

[Timmah]

Hi Shaun

The petition that Action for Mariners fans have got going through change. org now has 240 signatures (I'm not one by the way).

That's a reasonable bit of feedback from customers and I wonder if the club plan to respond?

High profile ex staffers are kicking the club to death and I think CCM need to stop the "hope it will go away" strategy as it possibly won't.

Silence is easily taken for inaction and you will have memberships to sell soon.

I'm happy to go on record as vehemently against that petition.

Breaking it down for a second, the actual point of the petition seems mixed (confusing wording that's been changed several times), the people/person who put it together doesn't seem to know who to approach at the club, and the comments seem to be from the same two or three people on their FB page. On the petition itself, I've seen multiple instances of double signings, and in one case someone signing it as "Tony Walmsley".

Then we get to maths - 240 signatures. We can conservatively estimate around 5 or 6 are double ups, then lets suggest maybe 25-30 are not members (educated guess). For arguments sake, let's assume 200 of the 240 are paid up current members.

Out of 6100-odd. That's what, 3%?

I'm not going to sit here and say people aren't disgruntled (or that they don't have the right to be), but what does the club stand to gain by drawing any attention to such a petition, especially one that some are treating as a joke?


P.S. out of interest, who = high profile ex staffers? McKinna?

 

[FFC Mariner]

I'm happy to go on record as vehemently against that petition.

Breaking it down for a second, the actual point of the petition seems mixed (confusing wording that's been changed several times), the people/person who put it together doesn't seem to know who to approach at the club, and the comments seem to be from the same two or three people on their FB page. On the petition itself, I've seen multiple instances of double signings, and in one case someone signing it as "Tony Walmsley".

Then we get to maths - 240 signatures. We can conservatively estimate around 5 or 6 are double ups, then lets suggest maybe 25-30 are not members (educated guess). For arguments sake, let's assume 200 of the 240 are paid up current members.

Out of 6100-odd. That's what, 3%?

I'm not going to sit here and say people aren't disgruntled (or that they don't have the right to be), but what does the club stand to gain by drawing any attention to such a petition, especially one that some are treating as a joke?


P.S. out of interest, who = high profile ex staffers? McKinna?

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People are reacting with emotion. Humans do that and how someone feels doesn't make them wrong.

If you think it's just Lawrie you are well wide of the mark. Watched Fox recently?

As per the poster above, 3 of the people I go with (out of 6) will not set foot in CCS while he is the coach.

Interestingly, the arrogance of the "they'll be back" is making it worse not better.

I don't think that page is well constructed but it's a lightning rod for how people feel.

 

[rbakersmith]

Given one of our lowest crowd averages occured in a season we made the Grand Final, I cannot agree.

Our average went up by 1500 in 2011-12 . Are you going to argue that the performance in the season that preceded it isn't the cause for such a massive change?

 

[Gratis]

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People are reacting with emotion. Humans do that and how someone feels doesn't make them wrong.

If you think it's just Lawrie you are well wide of the mark. Watched Fox recently?

As per the poster above, 3 of the people I go with (out of 6) will not set foot in CCS while he is the coach.

Interestingly, the arrogance of the "they'll be back" is making it worse not better.

I don't think that page is well constructed but it's a lightning rod for how people feel.

I'm not responding to your post overall - your point that people feel the way they do and will act accordingly is true so shouldn't be dismissed. people who believe TW is to blame (rightly or wrongly) will hold him accountable and act with their memberships and needs to be addressed one way or another.

but the point 'how someone feels doesn't make them wrong' quite simply can't be true.

i only bring it up because people seem to form the opinion that peoples' beliefs and feelings must always be respected.
this is a very poor understanding to accept.
peoples' rights to their beliefs and feelings must be respected - but not the beliefs or feelings themselves.
if we had to respect actual beliefs/feelings then you have to respect the beliefs/feelings of ISIS/ISIL, Kim Jong Un and Alan Jones

i.e. how someone feels can definitely make them wrong

 

[FFC Mariner]

It makes them different and depending on the moral or legal tone of the time, the same idea can go from right to wrong.

 

[Timmah]

If you think it's just Lawrie you are well wide of the mark. Watched Fox recently?

Fox? Yeah, nah. Same repetitive rubbish from people with axes to grind. That said, you seem reluctant to name names.

As per the poster above, 3 of the people I go with (out of 6) will not set foot in CCS while he is the coach.

As I said, I'm not begrudging people who are upset at a shit season or that they don't think TW can get the job done. But to call yourself a fan, yet walk away because the results or playing style don't suit you? Hmm.

Interestingly, the arrogance of the "they'll be back" is making it worse not better.

Doesn't change the fact they will be back, tail between legs, when we do hit our straps. Happened when we dropped in that hole at the turn of the decade, no doubt it will again.

I don't think that page is well constructed but it's a lightning rod for how people feel.

Yes - but it remains a very small number, despite publicity (I use that term loosely given CCEA's readership) and buying Facebook ads.

I think the club is better served devoting its time to changing what it can on the park over the coming months rather than drawing any sort of attention to such a petition.

And for what it's worth, the petition maker indicated they'll be approaching the club with the signatures/feedback thus far today so in that regard, the ball is in their court anyway.

 

[Timmah]

Our average went up by 1500 in 2011-12 . Are you going to argue that the performance in the season that preceded it isn't the cause for such a massive change?

I can't agree that it takes a full season for people to realise the team's in form. We finished second - quite comfortably - and still only got 9,975 to a derby on the final weekend of the season.

I think a combination of many factors results in better attendance - one of them is less games at Gosford, together with solid match marketing (and I'm comfortable suggesting that's been fairly absent for most of the Mariners' existence), form (obviously) and an improved match day experience as well. Throw in some decent timeslots and there's a mix there that CCM can achieve given the right elements.

 

[Wombat]

Dont forget the club used to bullshit about the crowd figures.
We'd get 12.5k and they would say 9.5k turned up.

 

[Rowdy]

Dont forget the club used to bullshit about the crowd figures.
We'd get 12.5k and they would say 9.5k turned up.

So your saying that the club gets a good crowd of 12.5k BUT tells all & sundry that it's only 9.5k thus deflating the actual figure .....

..... whilst downstairs at the turnstiles, stadium staff chicks are scanning handfuls of tickets, & I'm talking handfuls - for the purpose (I'm assuming) of inflating the crowd figure !!!

Doesn't compute

 

[FFC Mariner]

When I smoked, we used to nip out at HT and watch her madly scanning g away.

 

[Timmah]

Dont forget the club used to bullshit about the crowd figures.
We'd get 12.5k and they would say 9.5k turned up.

That's the most ludicrous thing I've heard in a while. I recall plenty suggesting we inflated figures back in the day, never that we downplayed them.

 

[FFC Mariner]

That's the most ludicrous thing I've heard in a while. I recall plenty suggesting we inflated figures back in the day, never that we downplayed them.

Really? I guess from that you weren't around in the early days then? Well accepted piece of Central Coast folklore.

The legend goes that they under reported crowds to skim money.

Was a part of every post game thread (if it didn't have its own?)