CCM Fans and the club

[FFC Mariner]

What a difference a week makes.

Not really. Most of the fans I know thought he was hopeless when he couldn't win the NYL finals with a golden generation.

Carry on

 

[FFC Mariner]

Happy to be corrected but wasn't it Mulvey who got the GC youth to batter us in that semi?

 

[Rowdy]

Sorry mate, that's weak bollocks.

TW and Hutch are paid to deliver and they don't.

I think you misread me, was being sarcastic .
Not disagreeing with a word you said.

 

[Rowdy]

Happy to be corrected but wasn't it Mulvey who got the GC youth to batter us in that semi?

Yes it was Mulvey, how ironic you mention him as I was going to type:
Rudan, Mulvey, Rudan etc. for the laugh , but left it all Rudan as he's absolutely desperate for an A-League gig.

Mulvey would be a good option if TW moves upstairs though. Dont know how the relationship between the two would be after that game you mentioned.

Was 'March Misery in the Rain @Pluim 2010'

You can re-live TW's pain here;
http://www.ccmariners.com.au/articl...lant-mariners-youth/j5nbf0p4u4ps1p1rhaapbrwu3

 

[pjennings]

Hi, genuinely curious.

In any other club anywhere in the world we would have sacked our coaching staff following such dire results and complete lack of progression.

If people know they are fireproof there is no incentive to improve.

When do the clubs leadership plan to make the coaching staff accountable?

I'm not going to pretend to talk on behalf of the clubs leadership but I think you need to put the results in perspective.

Tony, I don't believe was hired on the basis of results alone. At most clubs in the world results for a manager are the only thing that matters. I think Tony was hired and is being judged on a much more 'balanced scorecard'. He took over a dysfunctional squad from Moss and is in the process of trying to rebalance it while under severe budgetary constraints. I don't think he realised the extent of the problems in the squad when he took it over and the size of the task he gave himself. I believe part of his brief was also to be a public face, along with Shaun, of the Mariners during a pretty drastic organisational change. As a football fan my first concerns is results and we simply are not achieving them at this stage. However, as a Mariners fan that is wanting to see the Mariners here for the long haul and not knowing what his brief was when he was hired I can cut him some slack. That said, the coaching staff should be held to account - as a fan it would be by results, as an owner it would be against the brief that was set him when he was hired.

Most football managers only know football. They cannot afford to operate under such strict restrictions as it is their 'brand' as a football manager that suffers. Tony is a little different as he also has a corporate background. In some ways he can afford to take risks that other managers cannot. Apparently Mulvey was interviewed for the job. However, from all report his, along with most interviews/discussions were fairly short when the applicants were told what constraints they were to operate under. This is why Tony was always going to get the job.

Do I think that Tony was or is the best manager around - no. However, if I owned the club and was bleeding money and needed to make changes in the overall management, curtail costs in the organisation as well as the in the playing roster then I think Tony would have been one of a very short list that would accept the conditions.

 

[dibo]

I think the results have been about reshaping the squad - effectively a TD job on the squad. I think his results here have been good.

The original intent was for him to be TD over another coach; it may be that that is still the longer term plan.

But having hollowed out the squad, including moving on some players who were as disruptive as they were effective, there is going to be an effect on on-field performance.

When you lance the boil it is going to sting for a while.

 

[FFC Mariner]

I hear you but...

Your left winger gets hurt in the warm up and you decide that a lumbering striker with no pace or match fitness is a better option than the 3 naturally left sided players in the squad.

Pretty basic stuff

 

[pjennings]

I hear you but...

Your left winger gets hurt in the warm up and you decide that a lumbering striker with no pace or match fitness is a better option than the 3 naturally left sided players in the squad.

Pretty basic stuff

Yes - very strange decision

 

[true believer]

Happy to be corrected but wasn't it Mulvey who got the GC youth to batter us in that semi?

I'd suggest you guys have a look at the gold coast side they played.
Just queitly

 

[pjennings]

• 
  They certainly put out a very strong side TB
  
  Central Coast Mariners FC :
  Player listing: 1. Mathew RYAN (gk), 2. Scott MCGLINEY (6. Mitchell DUKE +56’), 3. Jerry KALOURIS, 4. Matthew LIDDALL, 8. Nick FITZGERALD (9. Gavin FORBES +69’), 10. Panny NIKAS, (c) 11. Mitchell MALLIA, 14. Brady SMITH, 15. Adam ORMSBY (12. David VRANKOVIC +89’), 17. Matthew LEWIS, 18. Bernie IBINI-ISEI
  
  Substitutes not used: 20. Nik MATIC (rgk)
  Coach: Tony Walmsley
  Yellow Cards: Matthew Liddall 25’, Scott McGliney 40’, Brady Smith 72’, Matthew Mallia 90'+3
  Red Cards: Nil
  Gold Coast United FC :
  Player listing: 1. Jerrad TYSON (gk), 2. Steven TOPALOVIC, 3. James BROWN, 5. Ben WEARING, 7. Zac ANDERSON (4. Callum HARE +79’), 8. Steven LUSTICA (c), 9. Chris HAROLD (15. Rueben WAY +85’), 10. Koh SATAKE, 11. Ben HALLORAN (6. Mitchell BEVAN +89’), 12. Tahj MINNIECON, 14. Josh BRILLANTE
  
  Substitutes not used: 20. Tim ANDERSON (rgk)
  Coach: Mike Mulvey
  

 

[gull]

I think the results have been about reshaping the squad - effectively a TD job on the squad. I think his results here have been good.

The original intent was for him to be TD over another coach; it may be that that is still the longer term plan.

But having hollowed out the squad, including moving on some players who were as disruptive as they were effective, there is going to be an effect on on-field performance.

When you lance the boil it is going to sting for a while.

I think most fans have been surprisingly patient this year, but the excuses and results are starting to wear very thin.

Is it acceptable to win the wooden spoon? Never for mine, but if we were at least seeing some forward movement in the team most could grudgingly accept it. I don't think we are seeing it.

Fitz and Caceres, if they were to blame, have been out of the squad for long enough now for the improvement to start showing.

It's sad to see such a proud and successful club become a laughing stock.

 

[dibo]

FMD, have one heavy loss and everyone puts the f**king black hoods on...

I really don't think getting done away to a Brisbane side that has spent most of the year in the top two is a sign that the wheels are off.

The issue (as ever) is defence. I just don't think we've got the mix right there. Something's not right in structure or personnel.

It's also where we've had the most dramatic changes this year - moved a starting CB on at the end of last year and then got rid of the starting keeper and the other starting CB during the year.

The most (A-League) experienced member of our most experienced 3 in those spots is Poscoliero at 30 games. Izzo has 19, McGing has 16, Ascroft has 13...

Do we look wet behind the ears there? Yeah, definitely.

Would it become immediately better by changing the coach? Nope, nope, nope.

I don't think *anyone* thinks it's 'acceptable' to win the wooden spoon, and to say anyone thinks it is is a massive straw man. I also don't think we're a laughing stock.

I think if we were to axe a coach for not turning an incredibly inexperienced side (that has been thrust upon him by circumstance as much as anything) in the expectation that someone else might suddenly make us competitive then we truly would be a laughing stock.

 

[FFC Mariner]

I hear you but playing a slow central striker wide left when you have 3 natural lefties in the squad is fairly basic stuff

 

[Rowdy]

PJ , although the name might be recognisable, highlighting Zac Anderson in red as a notable player ???

Some may consider that 'heresy' , Tahj Minniecon perhaps also .

 

[pjennings]

PJ , although the name might be recognisable, highlighting Zac Anderson in red as a notable player ???

Some may consider that 'heresy' , Tahj Minniecon perhaps also .

Point taken

 

[Rowdy]

I dont think anyone's intimating that TW 'gets the axe' after that poor performance.

FFC's just questioning his decisions, to those that ultimately make the bigger decisions about whether TW is accountable for those types of *decisions.

*(Fletcher replacing Austin and the end result - which was disastrous)

 

[FFC Mariner]

I believe he is a good TD but that doesn't mean he will automatically be a good coach.

Hutch is learning and needs an experienced battled hardened coach to learn from.

False economy

 

[BaysideMariner]

I completely agree that the decision to give Fletcher the start on the wing was crazy. Maybe TW was thinking that the more game time he gives Fletcher the better? But not on the wing.
To me there was no Mariners fight last night.

 

[Luca Brasi]

I think I have questioned the tactics adopted by TW in 2 games this season (including yesterday), but we have lost 12 and the depth/quality/turmoil surrounding the squad have been the cause of our poor season.
You are having a laugh if you reckon any other coach could have gotten more out of this squad.

 

[MrCelery]

To me there was no Mariners fight last night.

And that is the huge worry. Avoiding the wooden spoon requires a special sort of desperation. And there was a distinct lack of that in evidence against Roar.

I wonder whether there is the expectation in the squad that 'now we have Luis it all will be OK'.