ALM Round 4 - Mariners v Roar 5pm Sunday 12th

[turbo]

The last 30 minutes were a team that had completely collapsed. No shape, no coherent plan.
Roar were winning away and down a man. They were always going to sit deep and narrow.
Poor game management on and off the pitch.

I felt like I at least saw a plan in the first 60. In the last part of the game it was more try anything and see what sticks. Would have been nice if Danny nodded one in.

 

[Quirky]

If any part of the ball is above the line it's not out. From everything we have seen it looks close but its not clearly out. Maybe the VAR had a better view maybe they didn't. I believe Kaltak thought it was out but how much faith do you have in his judgement at that exact moment? Of course he is going to appeal for it being out but we can't stop because of it. Just like you can't stop when there's an offside because there's a chance you're wrong.

Exactly this. To stop is criminal. Nobody can definitively say that ball was out, but you keep going either way.

 

[JackMariner]

If any part of the ball is above the line it's not out. From everything we have seen it looks close but its not clearly out. Maybe the VAR had a better view maybe they didn't. I believe Kaltak thought it was out but how much faith do you have in his judgement at that exact moment? Of course he is going to appeal for it being out but we can't stop because of it. Just like you can't stop when there's an offside because there's a chance you're wrong.

I would put the slowed animation clip I created but it seems video is no longer permitted. Sorry but I cannot see in all the footage the ball being above the ground, look at the replay on Paramount.

 

[turbo]

I would put the slowed animation clip I created but it seems video is no longer permitted. Sorry but I cannot see in all the footage the ball being above the ground, look at the replay on Paramount.

It's all a matter of perspective. Place a ball with an edge just above a line then walk around it and see how different it can look. The angle we have isnt great but if anything suggests it stayed in just.

This comes up semi regularly all over the world. Happened recently in the WC and in a Newcastle game.

VAR angle shows their version of events for controversial Japan winner vs Spain

Germany were dumped out of the Qatar World Cup on Thursday night after Japan were awarded a controversial winner against Spain at the Khalifa International Stadium

www.mirror.co.uk

Dont forget this gem from the vault

Fox Sports commentator mocked for defending A-League VAR decision

Socceroos legend Robbie Slater has been mocked over a bizarre TV segment where he tried to explain a controversial call from the A-League Sydney derby.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Insertnamehere]

Yep, 1000% this. This was the common thought amongst us up in Bay 16. Brisbane continually had these pockets of space in the middle just outside the box which Berenguer and others exploited. Last season, Maxi or Nis were both able to deal with this more effectively. It feels like Jacko's press at all costs means these spaces for the opposition are easier to come by when they are in transition.

We aren't even pressing well. Certainly not at all costs.

 

[Insertnamehere]

Yup. Great post. Paull worries me and I wonder if Hall deserves a run

Paull for me is doing fine for a guy with 4 games. Brian is underperforming what he did last year for me. Getting too far forward. Which is fine if Roux drops into the gap, but Faz is.

 

[Insertnamehere]

The other thing I just remembered was the wingers aren't defending the wing. Faz and Roux are so that opens space.
Last yeah we'd have a 4 man line of defenders and the mids did the man on man defending.

 

[marinermick]

It's all a matter of perspective. Place a ball with an edge just above a line then walk around it and see how different it can look. The angle we have isnt great but if anything suggests it stayed in just.

This comes up semi regularly all over the world. Happened recently in the WC and in a Newcastle game.

VAR angle shows their version of events for controversial Japan winner vs Spain

Germany were dumped out of the Qatar World Cup on Thursday night after Japan were awarded a controversial winner against Spain at the Khalifa International Stadium

www.mirror.co.uk

Dont forget this gem from the vault

Fox Sports commentator mocked for defending A-League VAR decision

Socceroos legend Robbie Slater has been mocked over a bizarre TV segment where he tried to explain a controversial call from the A-League Sydney derby.

www.dailymail.co.uk

You are a hundred percent correct. If the ball was square there would be no argument, but the ball is a sphere.

Even if none of the ball touches the line on the ground and looks over the line, it can still to be in.

The ball looked close enough to the line to obviously be in.

If Kaltak stopped that is on Kaltak.

 

[marinermick]

YOU NEED TO f**kING SING MORE LIKE A REAL FAN

(some drunk little f**ktard making a complete goose of himself all afternoon)

And yelling this whilst wearing an orange shirt.

 

[turbo]

If Kaltak stopped that is on Kaltak.

Check it out on the mini match. Around 18:45 match clock or 5:40 into the mini. Kaltak stops and doesnt even throw a leg out at the ball. Max stops and doesnt track his man who scored so he's had a shocker there too but at least he stuck a leg out late. In the lead up they have 3 on 2 out wide and there's some real sloppiness in the structure with how Storm, Theo and Max react which leads to Kaltak being the one to come across and make the challenge.

 

[marinermick]

Check it out on the mini match. Around 18:45 match clock or 5:40 into the mini. Kaltak stops and doesnt even throw a leg out at the ball. Max stops and doesnt track his man who scored so he's had a shocker there too but at least he stuck a leg out late. In the lead up they have 3 on 2 out wide and there's some real sloppiness in the structure with how Storm, Theo and Max react which leads to Kaltak being the one to come across and make the challenge.

Your under fives coach tells you to play to the whistle.

 

[turbo]

Your under fives coach tells you to play to the whistle.

So does the mouthy CB with a beer belly. Might even be the same bloke but I wouldnt know anything about that ?

 

[Allreet?]

Really? What can you do when VAR fails you. I did this with a 20 year old video program what hope do we have when a glaringly bad decision is thrust upon us with all the supposed technology A - League has. There is more to this, what's the saying "Something is definitely rotten in the state of Denmark". Here also is Brian giving up defence knowing full well, the ball had touched ground behind the line and expecting a correct adjudication. Oh, and the refereeing, I was so impressed I left at 70 mins, walked home 6klm to vent, because if I had stayed I would have been turfed out for bringing the game into disrepute.

The ball's not out. The whole of the ball has to cross the whole of the line, and given footballs are spherical the centre of the ball could be over by nearly six inches before it's actually out.

 

[Allreet?]

And yelling this whilst wearing an orange shirt.

Him with the mullet.

Yeah...

Mind you, I'll never discourage enthusiasm but when I saw him I thought he was a Roar intruder come to cause bother.

 

[pjennings]

The ball's not out. The whole of the ball has to cross the whole of the line, and given footballs are spherical the centre of the ball could be over by nearly six inches before it's actually out.

That's all very well. But when you don't have a camera on the line then you have no way to tell. It is purely up to the AR. He didn't call it out. VAR isn't set up to categorically say one way or the other so the AR's decision must stand.

PLAY THE WHISTLE!!!!

 

[Allreet?]

That's all very well. But when you don't have a camera on the line then you have no way to tell. It is purely up to the AR. He didn't call it out. VAR isn't set up to categorically say one way or the other so the AR's decision must stand.

PLAY THE WHISTLE!!!!

Couldn't agree more.

 

[FFC Mariner]

Him with the mullet.

Yeah...

Mind you, I'll never discourage enthusiasm but when I saw him I thought he was a Roar intruder come to cause bother.

He wasn't being a dick though.

 

[Allreet?]

He wasn't being a dick though.

Naaah, he was alright. Seemed genuinely sad after the match - mind you, we all were.

 

[Forum Phoenix]

Talking on the press...

I think it can be a good choice for such a young side. But everything is pros and cons and like anything, takes time and practice. One player fails to read the play and close down at the right time and suddenly you've got multiple players caught high who are going to have to work hard to get back and the opposition has plenty of space to run into. Or just shitty bounces off shins or ricochets when your closing down that then fall nicely to the opposition can hurt you too. We've certainly seen our share land perfectly at the oppositions feet. Starting to think we used all of our luck in the GF.

I'm sure there'd be plenty of complaints if we were sitting deep, getting pumped in the shots on goals, possession and territory stats too.

I do think Danny isn't the ideal keeper for this tactic as he hardly ever sweeps. Our backs are also clearly getting caught too high at times and can leave slower defenders like Storm or Niz exposed. Also Paull is young and his positioning to cut out balls is nowhere near as good as most experienced AL CB's yet imo. Being fresh also is important... but we were standing off a lot more last game, I presumed it was instructed/a necessity to help conserve some energy for heavy legs.

That said, personally I think there's plenty to like about it too. And I'm sure we'll improve too as they haven't had that long with it and have also been forced into a lot of rotation.

 

[Wombat]

And yelling this whilst wearing an orange shirt.

but he had a dope haircut.