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A-League Expansion

happy

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Honestly, I am too lazy reading through 42 pages although the answer to my question is in there...

from what I read, Melbourne Heart will be a new club playing in the HAL 2010/2011 campaign. Will there be a 2nd new club (12th team) or will it be an odd number of clubs competing in the A-League?
 

bjw

bjw
happy said:
Honestly, I am too lazy reading through 42 pages although the answer to my question is in there...

from what I read, Melbourne Heart will be a new club playing in the HAL 2010/2011 campaign. Will there be a 2nd new club (12th team) or will it be an odd number of clubs competing in the A-League?

odd number next season (so, byes)

annd, a 12th team (more than likley West Sydney) coming in the season after.
 

happy

Well-Known Member
bj. said:
happy said:
Honestly, I am too lazy reading through 42 pages although the answer to my question is in there...

from what I read, Melbourne Heart will be a new club playing in the HAL 2010/2011 campaign. Will there be a 2nd new club (12th team) or will it be an odd number of clubs competing in the A-League?

odd number next season (so, byes)

annd, a 12th team (more than likley West Sydney) coming in the season after.

thanks.
will it be 3 games against each team as well?
 

dibo

Well-Known Member
That seems to be what they're planning. Each side will play 30 games across 33 rounds with 3 byes. The following year the byes disappear and they just play 33 games.
 

cbowden9000

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FFC Mariner said:
anyone want ot bet we have 3 byes together +6 away games as we do work on the pitch again?

Haha!

The pitch didn't look too great last night anyway! There's got to be another reason why we would forfeit 2 home games to Canberra. Probably FFA politics or something.
 

FFC Mariner

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Part_Timer said:

We simply sold out for cash.

The SFS pitch has been completely relaid sonce SFC's last home game and it was 100% better than BT.

The CC needs to hang its collective head in shame over the state of its pitches
 

adz

Moderator
Staff member
FFC Mariner said:
Say it to a Victorian - wonderful response

or Tardball if you prefer........

On the other hand talk to any NRL "fan" (read: fickle bandwagonner) and refer to it as "rugby"... even though afaik it is a form of rugby (national rugby league???) they get the shits... It's not rugby, it's league!! Blah blah spit spray blah.

And dare I mention the "s" word around here...?
;)
 

rosko

Well-Known Member
Bad news for the 'Nix... It seems the line has been drawn in the sand and is not to be moved.. There is still a pulse for them, as long as they meet the rules which apply to the rest of the clubs... Only five non-Aust players in the team!
http://www.foxsports.com.au/story/0,8659,26499110-5000940,00.html?from=public_rss
 

FFC Mariner

Well-Known Member
adz said:
FFC Mariner said:
Say it to a Victorian - wonderful response

or Tardball if you prefer........

On the other hand talk to any NRL "fan" (read: fickle bandwagonner) and refer to it as "rugby"... even though afaik it is a form of rugby (national rugby league???) they get the shits... It's not rugby, it's league!! Blah blah spit spray blah.

And dare I mention the "s" word around here...?
;)

And the use of the phrase bum sniffers seems to fire up both Rugby codes
 

midfielder

Well-Known Member
At last a main stream paper calling WS for what it is ...from the smh...


The Rovers are going to be a very important team for Australian Football..



http://www.smh.com.au/sport/football/we-rule-in-the-west-says-roundball-code-20100212-nxgh.html

We rule in the west, says round-ball code

February 13, 2010

Soccer says talk of an AFL-NRL war for hearts and minds in western Sydney is a joke - it's entrenched on that ground, writes Andrew Stevenson.


Like a pair of rutting bulls, the muscled-up football codes have begun the posturing and pushing in the big paddock - a pantomime destined to play for years as the NRL attempts to resist the incursion of AFL into western Sydney.

As their nostrils flare at the smell of battle, perhaps the peak bodies of rugby league and Australian football have forgotten just who owns the paddock.

Around Fairfield, the centre of Australian soccer's golden mile, the administrators, players, fans and mums and dads who make up the soccer community are watching the high-profile fight between the NRL and AFL with some bemusement and no end of confidence.

A cashed-up AFL might be coming, a determined NRL might be fighting hard to minimise its impact on the ground, but they fervently believe this is soccer territory: always was, always will be.

''The two other codes in question have been talking each other up but what they forget is that it is not NRL or AFL which is the most popular sport in that region, it is soccer - whether they want to admit it or not,'' says Branko Culina, Newcastle Jets coach and father of Jason and a former Sydney United coach.

Every Socceroos clipboard of recent memory has owed much to south-western Sydney, with players such as Mark Schwarzer, Mark Bosnich, Paul Okon, Zeljko Kalac, Jason Culina, Tony Popovic and Michael Beauchamp having knocked the ball around at one of two clubs based at Fairfield, Marconi and Sydney United.

Harry Kewell grew up a long ball away in Smithfield; Brett Emerton a little further south at Macquarie Fields. It's a record at least as proud as the veins of gold mined by rugby league - Jarryd Hayne, Kris Inu and Israel Folau grew up within a couple of streets of each other in Minto.

The names of Socceroos greats roll off the tongue of Culina. There's no doubt in his mind about the place of Fairfield, in particular, and the south-west in general, in Australian soccer. ''There's no other region in Australia which has been as successful,'' he says emphatically.

Surveying the next crop of talent, as the elite under-11s and 12s of the Southern Districts Soccer Football Association go through their paces at Brenan Park, Fairfield, coach Juan Alvarez is equally confident of uncorking another beauty. It's a matter of numbers: of 16 players in the squad, one at least will be ready for the Socceroos to play at home should Australia win the bid for the 2022 World Cup.

''Someone will play for Australia out of this lot,'' Alvarez says. ''Definitely. Without a doubt. Based on our past record, you'd say one or two. If you ask the parents, 16 of them will tell you they'll get through.''

In that confidence, in that surfeit of optimism over reality, lies something of the great power of the game in the area.

''In Fairfield, it's not just kids wanting to play the game, it's people who actually follow the game,'' Culina says. ''You're talking about football having a very strong base, not just at the elite level but at every level, so I think you'll find it's going to be a huge battle for the AFL, in spite of the resources they have. The AFL won't be short of a buck but it's going to take more than just money.''

According to SDSFA secretary Ron Hughes, the love grows every year.

''AFL and NRL are there but we don't perceive them as a threat because our numbers keep growing - even in a bad year we grow by 3 per cent,'' he says, predicting a bigger increase in this World Cup year.

Hughes says the mixing pot is what makes the game so strong.

''We're a big mixture of nationalities in the Liverpool-Fairfield area; there's literally more than 100 different cultural backgrounds,'' he observes.

''It's a very good mix, and we don't have racial problems, and I put that down to the fact that football - our brand of football - is the international language. Everybody gets along, and although a lot of clubs have a national base they don't just take their own players, they take everybody because they'd be at too much of a disadvantage not taking all the good players from other backgrounds.

''Particularly with the European and South American aspect, everybody is crazy about wanting to play, and we've got coaches coming from everywhere.''

It's that base which gives Alvarez the confidence to welcome the new bull.

''I wish the AFL all the best but in this particular area I don't know how far they can go,'' he says.

And if they want a big battle, that, too, can be accommodated without any fear.

''None at all. I'll be the first one there to fight the war, and I believe in this area - and others. The people will be there as well.''
 

Forum Phoenix

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I think they are right about Rovers territory. Fortunately most of SFC's fan base is not coming from the west - so I think the rivalry will only increase supporter numbers on both sides.
 

dibo

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Forum Phoenix said:
I think they are right about Rovers territory. Fortunately most of SFC's fan base is not coming from the west - so I think the rivalry will only increase supporter numbers on both sides.

I don't think that's strictly accurate. I've heard that SFC's support is basically drawn from everywhere - they represent every corner of the city. The density of support is obviously not great and there are loads of football people who don't (actively) support them who are potential Rovers supporters.

With 200,000 registered footballers in this state, the vast majority of them in Sydney, I don't think there's any worry about 'crowding out' here. They could take four more clubs in Sydney, and maybe down the track they should do just that.
 

midfielder

Well-Known Member
There is just something about the way Rovers are going about setting up there new club that looks / feels/ so good for the A-League as a whole ... they just seem to be on top of things .. I can imagine what the Western Sydney Association and former NSL clubs must think.. especially the associations...

This club has IMO the potential to make the A-League much more mainstream friendly in that it could attract a massive TV audience  and home crowds...

From the smh today... love their schedule at the end .. and their visit and listen...

http://www.smh.com.au/sport/a-league/rovers-hurtling-towards-their-aleague-destiny-20100218-oj02.html

Rovers hurtling towards their A-League destiny

MICHAEL COCKERILL

February 19, 2010

IT'S a big call, claiming you'll become the biggest club the game in Australia has seen.

Big, but perhaps not so bold. Those behind A-League newcomers Sydney Rovers might be wearing suits these days, but they're still more comfortable in boots. They know there are more players, more fans, and more clubs - both amateur and semi-professional - in western Sydney than anywhere else in the country. They know if they get it right, anything is possible. The vast, fertile, breeding ground of the western suburbs is called the heartland for a reason. Football has a history, and a culture west of Woodville Road. It's a huge market, but also a discerning one. Nobody knows that better than the trio of ex-pros running Sydney Rovers. Which gives them the best possible head start as they prepare to join the competition in 2011.

Ian Rowden, Charlie Yankos and Peter Tredinnick - together with marketing guru John Moore - are the men behind Sydney FC's nascent arch rivals. All had successful careers in the old NSL before embarking on successful careers in the corporate world. No other club in the competition boasts such a football pedigree. It's a big competitive advantage, and one they will be using at every opportunity. Crucially, though, sense rather than sentiment will get the casting vote whenever the big decisions have to be made.

Today, the Herald reveals some of the detail, and much of the ideology, behind Sydney's second professional club. Rowden, these days Asia-Pacific boss of advertising giant Saatchi & Saatchi, is the chairman, and chief spokesman, for the club. He knows all about the importance of style, but also appreciates it must come with substance. And Sydney Rovers, he insists, won't be promising anything they can't deliver.

''We're going to build this club from the ground up,'' he says.

''Our No.1 priority, everything we stand for, is about building relationships with the grass roots, with the state league clubs, and with the people of the western suburbs who know football, and love football. Yes, it's about making it work commercially. But most of all it's about having credibility. All of us are absolutely committed to that.''

Next week, the Rovers embark on a ''listening'' tour of the heartland. They're coming out of the closet: out, and proud of what they want to achieve. Since being handed the A-League's 12th licence five months ago, they have fleetingly engaged the public through various internet forums, and the embryonic Sydney Rovers Facebook page already has about 400 regulars.

There was also a small group of Rovers ''fans'' occupying a corner of Parramatta Stadium when Sydney FC played their historic first A-League match at the ground early this month - some, allegedly, have switched camps from the Sky Blues.

But it's the listening tour which marks the first official public engagement by the club, and Rowden says: ''We think this is a critical part of making our club different to the others. We want to get off on the right foot.''

Behind the scenes, much work has already been done. Within the next three months (see timeline), expect Sydney Rovers to have made decisions on a home stadium, a $20 million state-of-the-art headquarters, finalised their list of investors, appointed a chief executive after a global search and produced their first merchandise.

Compared to the softly, softly approach of fellow A-League newcomers Melbourne Heart - who join the competition this year - Rovers are setting a cracking pace.

The directors are doing that because of the passion, and excitement, of being true football ''tragics'', but also because they have an unshakeable belief that they've got a persuasive, powerful message to sell. And the marketplace is responding. Sydney Rovers are not necessarily knocking back investors, but they are being choosy. They can afford to be because they have the contacts, and the credibility, to open some powerful doors. Gold Coast United aside, the Rovers are set to be the most financial club to join the A-League since Frank Lowy bankrolled Sydney FC into the inaugural season.

''We will be capitalised to the level we need to be to do what we want to do, which is to be a club the city can be proud of,'' Rowden says. ''You don't go into something this big unless you're serious, and we mean business, believe me.''

EVOLUTION OF A FOOTBALL CLUB: SYDNEY ROVERS

October, 2009: Granted licence.

February, 2010: Bidding deadline for eight western Sydney councils and Sydney Olympic Park Authority to develop world-class headquarters for the team.

February, 2010: Worldwide search for chief executive begins.

February, 2010: 'Listening' tour of western Sydney associations and state league clubs launched.

March, 2010: Decision to be made on where the team's administration and training centre will be based.

March, 2010: Investors to be finalised, likely to include foreign backers.

April, 2010: Home stadium decided.

May, 2010: Chief executive appointed.

June, 2010: Merchandise available.

June, 2010: Directors Ian Rowden, Charlie Yankos and Peter Tredinnick visit World Cup in South Africa to engage Australian fan base.

July, 2010: Membership and sponsorship drive launched.

August, 2010: Possible entry of Sydney Rovers team into 2010-11 National Youth League competition.

September, 2010: Head coach expected to be appointed.

September, 2010: All key administrative and coaching positions filled.

September, 2010: Major sponsorship deals finalised.

July, 2010-June, 2011: Recruitment of 23-man squad, and probably a marquee player.

August, 2011: Sydney Rovers enter the A-League.
 

Harsulas_SFC

Well-Known Member
dibo said:
Forum Phoenix said:
I think they are right about Rovers territory. Fortunately most of SFC's fan base is not coming from the west - so I think the rivalry will only increase supporter numbers on both sides.

I don't think that's strictly accurate. I've heard that SFC's support is basically drawn from everywhere - they represent every corner of the city.

Theres been some fairly reliable reports that roughly 40% of SFC membership comes in the corridor from north-west to south-west.... so roughy 3100 just memberships, probably a similar or slightly higher (because can't always make games) proportion non-members attendees.
 

FFC Mariner

Well-Known Member
You would expect some slipage though. I am sure we will lose some support from the Hills area due to Rovers.

Sadly, some of those will already be in the habit of not coming to games thanks to this seasons efforts
 

midfielder

Well-Known Member
Was born in Fairfield, left at 23 to go to Marayong, left Marayong at 30 for Epping then OZ for 10 years... back to live in Epping ... But have worked between Liverpool & Blacktown for the past 15 years..

I tell's ya .... football is huge as I often say 5 associations, 8 former NSL clubs and around Liverpool it is football and nothing but football...close to 100, 000 registered players... heaps of football knowledge...

That SFC did or could not connect with the greater west was one of its major failures... if Obi Wan made one mistake it was his ownership of SFC...

While RL have the hype in WS + 4 RL teams + 20 K players ... AFL has the money to buy grounds from councils, and the back pages of the local papers and are hyped to hell... Football is without doubt the major code..

The support base is split between European snobs, ethnic lines, old soccer, new football, band wagoners, NSL faithful, it is a f**king mess... but if ever a team could unite the various tribes behind one team... it would be a massive team...
 

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