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A-League Expansion

goingtoadisco

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1- were not the largest, russia runs a promotion relegation system and they have a larger land mass then us.

2- its inevatble, if we want to host the world cup we have to have that sort of compettition in place.

i know it sounds hard. the thought of the mariners being relegated nearly makes me want to cry !!
 

Jesus

Jesus
goingtoadisco said:
1- were not the largest, russia runs a promotion relegation system and they have a larger land mass then us.

2- its inevatble, if we want to host the world cup we have to have that sort of compettition in place.

i know it sounds hard. the thought of the mariners being relegated nearly makes me want to cry !!

Russia has at least 10x the population and a vastly larger economy. Does not count. Comparisons would be a place like canada.
 

Bear

Well-Known Member
goingtoadisco said:
it will happen. the ffa are already planning it. i will try find a link.

They said they were planning it during the FIFA congress in Sydney to try and impress Sep. REALISTICLY its 10-15 years away from working.

Any current a-league team would fold if relegated.

And its ok, no need to find the link, we all know :)
 

northernspirit

Well-Known Member
thats it
hardcore fans aside, there wouldnt be enough support for a 2nd tier team in this country - its not in our kulcha to support 2nd tier - just look at our state leagues as an example... it was as bear said to impress FIFA and the AFC, its not something that will happen for ages - the A-League needs to be financially secure first, it will cost HEAPS to run a 2nd tier league with little sponsorship/tv deals to fund it
 

Jesus

Jesus
I think the yeanks needed to have a professional league running in order to get the world cup. I dont think that FIFA would demand a 2 tier comp in australia by 2018 for us to get the world cup. But if 1 tier, would probably expect at least 14 teams. As well as a 10 month calendar.

AFC on the other hand seem pretty intent that it is important for the region. But i think they will allow us time with the extra exposure/coperate dollars australias participation brings to the ACL. But that is finite.
 

midfielder

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Interesting article on who / what / type of structure should be Mariners get a big pat on the back.

http://campbelltown.yourguide.com.au/news/national/national/sport/for-love-or-money-aleague-demands-both/794155.aspx

For love or money? A-League demands both
SEBASTIAN HASSETT
21/06/2008 12:00:01 AM

WHEN Geoff Lord introduced himself to the Australian soccer community in December 2004, it could be argued he lived up to the stereotype that so many of the game's true believers feared.

Taking the lectern at the official launch of Melbourne Victory, Lord confessed he was still learning the intricacies of the game. Until hearing about a new competition, he wasn't a football man at all - his roots existed primarily in the AFL, where he'd previously served as president as Hawthorn.

That day, Lord didn't exactly extol some of the deepest thoughts on the game. The best offering was that "soccer" had a more legitimate claim to the term "foot-ball', whereas Australian rules more closely resembled "foot-and-hand ball".

He even added a new word to the footballing lexicon - "Fyefar". You know, the mob who sit on the banks of Lake Zurich?

Aficionados hoping the owners of A-League clubs would resemble downsized and regionalised versions of Frank Lowy cringed.

Football, but not as you know it? You bet.

But whether the game's self-appointed intelligentsia liked it or not, here was a man prepared to pump some money into football when it was still a dodgy proposition, and that saw him welcomed with open arms. Lord's speech was greeted with a chorus of applause. It had to be. Football needed his brave commitment of cold hard cash.

How times have changed. Fast-forward to 2008, and it's an unimaginably different footballing landscape. The game once begged for investors; now it's knocking them back.

And so it should: this is the sexiest proposition in Australian sport.

Lord has taken Victory from strength to strength.

Private ownership in football clubs is invariably a double-edged sword. They offer guarantees, security and stability. But equally, perhaps inspired by the success of the A-League, prospective owners may look at football as a mere vehicle for investment (Adelaide's owners have pocketed a reported $1.3million from recent player sales), or even worse, a plaything.

Without it, there is no A-League. But with it must come a degree of responsibility from the owners. Football, in this country, simply cannot afford to alienate whatever supporter base it has, or it will go the same way as the National Basketball League.

It's an argument that has come sharply into focus as the A-League seeks to grow from eight to 10 and eventually 12 teams.

The figures on paper show that Melbourne has been the success story of the competition but anyone with their finger on the pulse will testify that an asterisk must be applied. Melburnians were desperate for a team to call their own; adopting the Victory wasn't an issue.

But over time, the club has shown a bewildering misunderstanding of their fans, by far the club's greatest natural asset.

The lack of football-nous in certain sections of the club has threatened to quell the once-unlimited goodwill; increasingly, fans are sick of being treated as customers. They want to feel a part of something worthwhile, not used for promotional back-drops on flyers designed to line the owner's pockets.

The club will argue differently, but the fan base largely fell into their lap. Compare this to the Central Coast Mariners, who flagged themselves as a community club from the start and then went about proving it. Newcastle eventually figured this out as well. Now both are perhaps two of the best models of how to build an A-League club.

It is no coincidence that most people behind both clubs care about football and the local community. In looking at the prospective A-League bids, hopefully Football Federation Australia keeps this in mind.

Of the 10 bids currently on the table, disappointingly, barely a few have gone public. Scarily, even fewer have spoken about their desire to engage with the locals.

One wants to be, as one insider put it, "Australia's own Roman Abramovich".

The new owners must have a conscience to build the game, not just their bank balances or - even worse - their bulging egos.
 

kevrenor

Well-Known Member
Good lad Seb .... a young professionally educated journo (like our own Ben Coonan) with real football deep in his veins, and regional football at that! Seb was a mad keen Morwell Falcons fan ... ask Hutcho. 
 

midfielder

Well-Known Member
kevrenor said:
Good lad Seb .... a young professionally educated journo (like our own Ben Coonan) with real football deep in his veins, and regional football at that! Seb was a mad keen Morwell Falcons fan ... ask Hutcho. 

Thanks Kev I have read a lot of good stuff over the past few months and most has come out of the community papers .......... maybe that is were our future jurnos are .... again thanks for the insight.
 

midfielder

Well-Known Member
My hands are a shaking my eyes are awakening, . my legs are moving .. this may be one handed typing BTW .. BUT .. F Me

.. midfielder tone down ..WTF are you on. Share it.

The bloke that FL is trying to get for the gong bid ..Bruce Gordon (I think) I guess we all knew he owns WIN TV .. all well and good what that could do for regional football.

WELL GUESS WHAT . A mate who works in the stock exchange says he now owns 15% of Channel 10 and has asked permission to own up to 20%. Football could be getting its own Kerry Stokes as Bruce is a football man through and through.

OK . Am I over the top with this news . Or could this be the start of something very big.
 

midfielder

Well-Known Member
marinermick said:
mop and bucket please
OK maybe I went a tad over the top, but think about it a football person owing 20% of a FTA station and maybe having a team in the A-League. As I understand it Kerry Stokes after he sold his half share in Channel 7, would own less than 20% of seven.

To me this is huge news ........... even if simply a change in news / sports reporting would be of benefit.
 

marinermick

Well-Known Member
midfielder said:
marinermick said:
mop and bucket please
OK maybe I went a tad over the top, but think about it a football person owing 20% of a FTA station and maybe having a team in the A-League. As I understand it Kerry Stokes after he sold his half share in Channel 7, would own less than 20% of seven.

To me this is huge news ........... even if simply a change in news / sports reporting would be of benefit.

no, you are right - big news

just had to laugh at your exuberence
 

midfielder

Well-Known Member
marinermick said:
midfielder said:
marinermick said:
mop and bucket please
OK maybe I went a tad over the top, but think about it a football person owing 20% of a FTA station and maybe having a team in the A-League. As I understand it Kerry Stokes after he sold his half share in Channel 7, would own less than 20% of seven.

To me this is huge news ........... even if simply a change in news / sports reporting would be of benefit.

no, you are right - big news

just had to laugh at your exuberence

Deserved it really ........but man if we do get our own Kerry Stokes / Kerry Packer well it will help in big way.
 

midfielder

Well-Known Member
Bex said:
Too right - bring it on!

So is the guy's name Bruce Gordon?

I think so its good news all around as he owns WIN TV in the gong so regional TV in NSW & QLD will have both NBN & WIN giving the A-League lots of sports news.

But its the channel 10 thing that is the big one. Can West are the major shareholders but if he can get 20% he must have a big say. Only trouble he is about 80 years old so maybe not to much left in the tank, but sons I am lead to believe are football too.

FL has said he is one of the best business brains in Australia and any team he backed would succeed and be very successful.

Remember to the rumour a few weeks ago that 10 wanted two A-League matches but Fox said no. Look you got me going agian have to stop thinking about it in case I jonna it.
 

midfielder

Well-Known Member
Jesus said:
The gong bid people said gordon was not on board for their bid.

But hopefully he goes for it.

I hope like Obie One (FL) and the gong bidders he comes on board. Massive news if he does
 

dibo

Well-Known Member
kevrenor said:
Good lad Seb .... a young professionally educated journo (like our own Ben Coonan) with real football deep in his veins, and regional football at that! Seb was a mad keen Morwell Falcons fan ... ask Hutcho.  

i did 442's "and another thing" with him (as he now follows victory), and jungilist from newcastle. both good guys i have to say.
 

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